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What is the functional difference between an e3D-Style nozzle and M6 Chinesium Nozzles?
What parts are suitable replacements for an Ender 3 Pro?Which nozzle should I buy for Anycubic i3 Mega?E3D V6 nozzle vs MK8 nozzle, first layer adhesionWhat's the advantage of two z motors?Are Makerbot Smart Extruder nozzles swappable?Failing slow extrusion after upgrade to E3D hotendtrue color printing with CMYK+White (not 3-in-1 diamond head RGB)E3D V6 underextruding always?Hot end jamming very quicklyWhich is the difference between MK6 and MK8 and even MK10?Threads for nozzle (Anet A6 extruder)Geeetech Prusa i3 Extruder seems to push more filament, gear slips/skips?E3D V6 nozzle vs MK8 nozzle, first layer adhesion
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There is pretty much an ecosystem of two Nozzle designs out there that share the M6 thread on the coupler to the Heating block:
- the e3D "snub nose" or "shouldered" design.
- the "Chinesium" nozzle that is often claimed to be some "MK8" or "MK10" without naming what item of which manufacturer is actually iterated there.
- They seem to be derived from the Makerbot MK8 Hotend which uses M6 threading and not the MK10, as that uses M7 threading.
What differentiates the two and can one swap one for the other?
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There is pretty much an ecosystem of two Nozzle designs out there that share the M6 thread on the coupler to the Heating block:
- the e3D "snub nose" or "shouldered" design.
- the "Chinesium" nozzle that is often claimed to be some "MK8" or "MK10" without naming what item of which manufacturer is actually iterated there.
- They seem to be derived from the Makerbot MK8 Hotend which uses M6 threading and not the MK10, as that uses M7 threading.
What differentiates the two and can one swap one for the other?
nozzle e3d knowledgebase
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related, but not a duplicate (as focussing on the layer adhesion effects)
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There is pretty much an ecosystem of two Nozzle designs out there that share the M6 thread on the coupler to the Heating block:
- the e3D "snub nose" or "shouldered" design.
- the "Chinesium" nozzle that is often claimed to be some "MK8" or "MK10" without naming what item of which manufacturer is actually iterated there.
- They seem to be derived from the Makerbot MK8 Hotend which uses M6 threading and not the MK10, as that uses M7 threading.
What differentiates the two and can one swap one for the other?
nozzle e3d knowledgebase
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There is pretty much an ecosystem of two Nozzle designs out there that share the M6 thread on the coupler to the Heating block:
- the e3D "snub nose" or "shouldered" design.
- the "Chinesium" nozzle that is often claimed to be some "MK8" or "MK10" without naming what item of which manufacturer is actually iterated there.
- They seem to be derived from the Makerbot MK8 Hotend which uses M6 threading and not the MK10, as that uses M7 threading.
What differentiates the two and can one swap one for the other?
nozzle e3d knowledgebase
nozzle e3d knowledgebase
edited May 13 at 14:23
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related, but not a duplicate (as focussing on the layer adhesion effects)
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related, but not a duplicate (as focussing on the layer adhesion effects)
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May 13 at 14:09
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related, but not a duplicate (as focussing on the layer adhesion effects)
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Differentiation
The main differences between the e3D-Nozzle family and the "simple" Nozzle are the wrench size, body length and thread length of the nozzle. In fact, I have come across 2 different "Chinese" styles of nozzle, a "big" and a "small" one.
Comparison
For comparison, take a look at this photo, where I aligned the lower ends of the bodies to line up under the wrench needed to handle them.
In words, left to right:
- Chinese Big M6 Nozzle
- size 8 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- Chinese Small M6 Nozzle
- size 7 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- e3D v6 normal (aka NOT volcano etc)
- size 7 metric wrench, 6 mm thread length, 2 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 5 mm from the heater block
Replaceability
Chinese big to Chinese small nozzles in either hotend
Due to the dimensions, one can easily swap the big and small Chinese nozzles for one another. They are virtually interchangeable but differ in the wear patterns.
Chinese nozzles in e3D Hotend
The 3 mm shorter snout and deeper butting with the heatbreak of the e3D nozzle in its designed hotend make it hard to swap a Chinese nozzle into an e3D setup: neither does the thread allow to screw the nozzle in the right length sometimes, it also extends much further. To accommodate, the whole heater block has to be screwed about 3 mm more onto the heatbreak, then the nozzle gets screwed in. The result is equal in overall length.
e3D Nozzle in Chinese Hotend
However, the long thread of the e3D Nozzle allows it to be mounted in a hotend designed to hold a Chinese nozzle without trouble - the 3 mm of difference in the body are used for a longer thread and clearance between thread and body, resulting in the same overall length without changing the mounting position of the heater block on the heatbreak.
Internals
Stefan of CNC-Kitchen recently tortured a couple of nozzles for science and investigating wear and tear (video). He found out a couple of differences on the internals:
- The Chinese nozzle had a non-straight pattern on the inside
- The angle in the feeding cone is 60° in an e3D and 90° in the Chinese sample
Conclusion
The Chinese Style nozzles can be interchanged for one another. an e3D style nozzle with standard length (aka not-volcano) can be swapped in for any Chinese Style nozzle. A Chinese Style nozzle needs to have the heater block shifted if mounted into an e3D hotend.
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Differentiation
The main differences between the e3D-Nozzle family and the "simple" Nozzle are the wrench size, body length and thread length of the nozzle. In fact, I have come across 2 different "Chinese" styles of nozzle, a "big" and a "small" one.
Comparison
For comparison, take a look at this photo, where I aligned the lower ends of the bodies to line up under the wrench needed to handle them.
In words, left to right:
- Chinese Big M6 Nozzle
- size 8 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- Chinese Small M6 Nozzle
- size 7 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- e3D v6 normal (aka NOT volcano etc)
- size 7 metric wrench, 6 mm thread length, 2 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 5 mm from the heater block
Replaceability
Chinese big to Chinese small nozzles in either hotend
Due to the dimensions, one can easily swap the big and small Chinese nozzles for one another. They are virtually interchangeable but differ in the wear patterns.
Chinese nozzles in e3D Hotend
The 3 mm shorter snout and deeper butting with the heatbreak of the e3D nozzle in its designed hotend make it hard to swap a Chinese nozzle into an e3D setup: neither does the thread allow to screw the nozzle in the right length sometimes, it also extends much further. To accommodate, the whole heater block has to be screwed about 3 mm more onto the heatbreak, then the nozzle gets screwed in. The result is equal in overall length.
e3D Nozzle in Chinese Hotend
However, the long thread of the e3D Nozzle allows it to be mounted in a hotend designed to hold a Chinese nozzle without trouble - the 3 mm of difference in the body are used for a longer thread and clearance between thread and body, resulting in the same overall length without changing the mounting position of the heater block on the heatbreak.
Internals
Stefan of CNC-Kitchen recently tortured a couple of nozzles for science and investigating wear and tear (video). He found out a couple of differences on the internals:
- The Chinese nozzle had a non-straight pattern on the inside
- The angle in the feeding cone is 60° in an e3D and 90° in the Chinese sample
Conclusion
The Chinese Style nozzles can be interchanged for one another. an e3D style nozzle with standard length (aka not-volcano) can be swapped in for any Chinese Style nozzle. A Chinese Style nozzle needs to have the heater block shifted if mounted into an e3D hotend.
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Differentiation
The main differences between the e3D-Nozzle family and the "simple" Nozzle are the wrench size, body length and thread length of the nozzle. In fact, I have come across 2 different "Chinese" styles of nozzle, a "big" and a "small" one.
Comparison
For comparison, take a look at this photo, where I aligned the lower ends of the bodies to line up under the wrench needed to handle them.
In words, left to right:
- Chinese Big M6 Nozzle
- size 8 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- Chinese Small M6 Nozzle
- size 7 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- e3D v6 normal (aka NOT volcano etc)
- size 7 metric wrench, 6 mm thread length, 2 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 5 mm from the heater block
Replaceability
Chinese big to Chinese small nozzles in either hotend
Due to the dimensions, one can easily swap the big and small Chinese nozzles for one another. They are virtually interchangeable but differ in the wear patterns.
Chinese nozzles in e3D Hotend
The 3 mm shorter snout and deeper butting with the heatbreak of the e3D nozzle in its designed hotend make it hard to swap a Chinese nozzle into an e3D setup: neither does the thread allow to screw the nozzle in the right length sometimes, it also extends much further. To accommodate, the whole heater block has to be screwed about 3 mm more onto the heatbreak, then the nozzle gets screwed in. The result is equal in overall length.
e3D Nozzle in Chinese Hotend
However, the long thread of the e3D Nozzle allows it to be mounted in a hotend designed to hold a Chinese nozzle without trouble - the 3 mm of difference in the body are used for a longer thread and clearance between thread and body, resulting in the same overall length without changing the mounting position of the heater block on the heatbreak.
Internals
Stefan of CNC-Kitchen recently tortured a couple of nozzles for science and investigating wear and tear (video). He found out a couple of differences on the internals:
- The Chinese nozzle had a non-straight pattern on the inside
- The angle in the feeding cone is 60° in an e3D and 90° in the Chinese sample
Conclusion
The Chinese Style nozzles can be interchanged for one another. an e3D style nozzle with standard length (aka not-volcano) can be swapped in for any Chinese Style nozzle. A Chinese Style nozzle needs to have the heater block shifted if mounted into an e3D hotend.
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Differentiation
The main differences between the e3D-Nozzle family and the "simple" Nozzle are the wrench size, body length and thread length of the nozzle. In fact, I have come across 2 different "Chinese" styles of nozzle, a "big" and a "small" one.
Comparison
For comparison, take a look at this photo, where I aligned the lower ends of the bodies to line up under the wrench needed to handle them.
In words, left to right:
- Chinese Big M6 Nozzle
- size 8 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- Chinese Small M6 Nozzle
- size 7 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- e3D v6 normal (aka NOT volcano etc)
- size 7 metric wrench, 6 mm thread length, 2 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 5 mm from the heater block
Replaceability
Chinese big to Chinese small nozzles in either hotend
Due to the dimensions, one can easily swap the big and small Chinese nozzles for one another. They are virtually interchangeable but differ in the wear patterns.
Chinese nozzles in e3D Hotend
The 3 mm shorter snout and deeper butting with the heatbreak of the e3D nozzle in its designed hotend make it hard to swap a Chinese nozzle into an e3D setup: neither does the thread allow to screw the nozzle in the right length sometimes, it also extends much further. To accommodate, the whole heater block has to be screwed about 3 mm more onto the heatbreak, then the nozzle gets screwed in. The result is equal in overall length.
e3D Nozzle in Chinese Hotend
However, the long thread of the e3D Nozzle allows it to be mounted in a hotend designed to hold a Chinese nozzle without trouble - the 3 mm of difference in the body are used for a longer thread and clearance between thread and body, resulting in the same overall length without changing the mounting position of the heater block on the heatbreak.
Internals
Stefan of CNC-Kitchen recently tortured a couple of nozzles for science and investigating wear and tear (video). He found out a couple of differences on the internals:
- The Chinese nozzle had a non-straight pattern on the inside
- The angle in the feeding cone is 60° in an e3D and 90° in the Chinese sample
Conclusion
The Chinese Style nozzles can be interchanged for one another. an e3D style nozzle with standard length (aka not-volcano) can be swapped in for any Chinese Style nozzle. A Chinese Style nozzle needs to have the heater block shifted if mounted into an e3D hotend.
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Differentiation
The main differences between the e3D-Nozzle family and the "simple" Nozzle are the wrench size, body length and thread length of the nozzle. In fact, I have come across 2 different "Chinese" styles of nozzle, a "big" and a "small" one.
Comparison
For comparison, take a look at this photo, where I aligned the lower ends of the bodies to line up under the wrench needed to handle them.
In words, left to right:
- Chinese Big M6 Nozzle
- size 8 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- Chinese Small M6 Nozzle
- size 7 metric wrench, 4 mm thread length, 1 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 8 mm from the heater block
- e3D v6 normal (aka NOT volcano etc)
- size 7 metric wrench, 6 mm thread length, 2 mm clearance, extends a minimum of 5 mm from the heater block
Replaceability
Chinese big to Chinese small nozzles in either hotend
Due to the dimensions, one can easily swap the big and small Chinese nozzles for one another. They are virtually interchangeable but differ in the wear patterns.
Chinese nozzles in e3D Hotend
The 3 mm shorter snout and deeper butting with the heatbreak of the e3D nozzle in its designed hotend make it hard to swap a Chinese nozzle into an e3D setup: neither does the thread allow to screw the nozzle in the right length sometimes, it also extends much further. To accommodate, the whole heater block has to be screwed about 3 mm more onto the heatbreak, then the nozzle gets screwed in. The result is equal in overall length.
e3D Nozzle in Chinese Hotend
However, the long thread of the e3D Nozzle allows it to be mounted in a hotend designed to hold a Chinese nozzle without trouble - the 3 mm of difference in the body are used for a longer thread and clearance between thread and body, resulting in the same overall length without changing the mounting position of the heater block on the heatbreak.
Internals
Stefan of CNC-Kitchen recently tortured a couple of nozzles for science and investigating wear and tear (video). He found out a couple of differences on the internals:
- The Chinese nozzle had a non-straight pattern on the inside
- The angle in the feeding cone is 60° in an e3D and 90° in the Chinese sample
Conclusion
The Chinese Style nozzles can be interchanged for one another. an e3D style nozzle with standard length (aka not-volcano) can be swapped in for any Chinese Style nozzle. A Chinese Style nozzle needs to have the heater block shifted if mounted into an e3D hotend.
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