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A friend of mine cooks pasta in a modified electric water boiler which has been modified to keep going even after the water placed in it boils.



What are some advantages and disadvantages of this method over placing the boiled water in a pot and cooking it there over a gas stove?



Thanks.










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    It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

    – Joe
    Apr 11 at 16:35











  • "keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

    – only_pro
    Apr 11 at 17:24







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    @only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

    – mattm
    Apr 11 at 17:36











  • @only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

    – Nuclear Wang
    Apr 11 at 17:36






  • 2





    If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

    – Federico Poloni
    2 days ago

















10















A friend of mine cooks pasta in a modified electric water boiler which has been modified to keep going even after the water placed in it boils.



What are some advantages and disadvantages of this method over placing the boiled water in a pot and cooking it there over a gas stove?



Thanks.










share|improve this question



















  • 3





    It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

    – Joe
    Apr 11 at 16:35











  • "keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

    – only_pro
    Apr 11 at 17:24







  • 12





    @only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

    – mattm
    Apr 11 at 17:36











  • @only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

    – Nuclear Wang
    Apr 11 at 17:36






  • 2





    If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

    – Federico Poloni
    2 days ago













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A friend of mine cooks pasta in a modified electric water boiler which has been modified to keep going even after the water placed in it boils.



What are some advantages and disadvantages of this method over placing the boiled water in a pot and cooking it there over a gas stove?



Thanks.










share|improve this question
















A friend of mine cooks pasta in a modified electric water boiler which has been modified to keep going even after the water placed in it boils.



What are some advantages and disadvantages of this method over placing the boiled water in a pot and cooking it there over a gas stove?



Thanks.







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    It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

    – Joe
    Apr 11 at 16:35











  • "keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

    – only_pro
    Apr 11 at 17:24







  • 12





    @only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

    – mattm
    Apr 11 at 17:36











  • @only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

    – Nuclear Wang
    Apr 11 at 17:36






  • 2





    If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

    – Federico Poloni
    2 days ago












  • 3





    It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

    – Joe
    Apr 11 at 16:35











  • "keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

    – only_pro
    Apr 11 at 17:24







  • 12





    @only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

    – mattm
    Apr 11 at 17:36











  • @only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

    – Nuclear Wang
    Apr 11 at 17:36






  • 2





    If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

    – Federico Poloni
    2 days ago







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It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

– Joe
Apr 11 at 16:35





It doesn't actually need to keep going after it's boiled. Dried pasta will cook fine in really hot (but not boiling) water, and most of those appliances are insulated so they hold their temperature pretty well.

– Joe
Apr 11 at 16:35













"keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

– only_pro
Apr 11 at 17:24






"keep going even after the water placed in it boils" Am I the only one who has no idea what this means? What keeps going? Water is either boiling or it's not.

– only_pro
Apr 11 at 17:24





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@only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

– mattm
Apr 11 at 17:36





@only_pro Electric kettles are designed to shutoff after the water boils for safety reasons. The water boils, the kettle shuts off, and you make your tea.

– mattm
Apr 11 at 17:36













@only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

– Nuclear Wang
Apr 11 at 17:36





@only_pro I understood that to mean the heating element doesn't shut off once the water temperature has reached 100C.

– Nuclear Wang
Apr 11 at 17:36




2




2





If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

– Federico Poloni
2 days ago





If the purpose of this gimmick is having water boil faster, then you can boil water with a kettle and then transfer it to a pot. Even better, parallelize: heat some of the water on the pot, and the rest in the kettle.

– Federico Poloni
2 days ago










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Advantages:



  • You can make pasta in your water boiler.

Disadvantages:



  • Hard to clean.


  • Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will
    expend full energy keeping the water boiling.


  • Incredibly dangerous, a big fire hazard. Because it's modified to ignore the internal temperature sensor it will keep heating and
    heating even if all the water is vaporized. Once this is the case, it
    will start getting so hot it will melt the boiler and the metal of
    the heating element at which point your stovetop may catch fire.


Story about faulty kettle.
water boiler that caught fire






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  • 2





    This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

    – Federico Poloni
    2 days ago






  • 2





    Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

    – Paul Kertscher
    2 days ago


















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Advantages:



  • you free up one burner in your stovetop, and one pot

Disadvantages:



  • you might damage your equipment in the long term (starch might get in places where it shouldn't, and metallic parts will get damaged by the salt)

  • you can't boil clean water in that boiler anymore (I doubt it will be easy to clean)

  • if it doesn't have a temperature control, it will spill over - and you can't just "turn the heat down"

Others:



  • you still need to keep an eye on it to check if it's cooked, as with any other method





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    It depends on the nature of your electric water boiler. I assume you are using a kettle-like device, but I may be wrong. If this is the case, then your pasta will be sitting atop and within the metal coils. You risk burning and deforming the pasta with this approach.



    If you're in a bind and don't have access to a stove, I would recommend boiling water in the kettle, pouring it into a pot with the pasta, and replacing with the water with newly boiled water as it cools.






    share|improve this answer








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      Even if you somehow took care of the safety issue that others have mentioned, for example by staying with it the entire time making sure there's always enough water in it, there's a practical issue that stems from this point (taken from Pieter's answer):




      Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will expend full energy keeping the water boiling.




      This is an important issue that's gotten overshadowed by the safety issue. While the energy waste is one thing, it's not just keeping the water boiling (like you would when boiling water on a stove) but it's on full throttle all the time meaning it will produce a lot of steam.



      Let's say you start cooking your pasta when the water is already at boiling temperature and it needs to be going 10 more minutes. Assuming a water cooker with a power rating of 2000 watt (which is common in the EU) that means you're adding 2000*10*60=1,200,000 Joules to the boiling water. Taking into account the heat of vaporisation for water that means you're putting in enough energy to turn 1,200,000 /2257=532 grams of water into steam (assuming all the energy goes into heating the boiling water and no other heat losses).



      When starting on this answer I'd expected it to be a bit more, but consider that half a litre is still significant if it coats stuff in your kitchen.



      In the US this is probably less of a problem as the average water cooker there runs at 1500 watt or so.






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        Advantages:



        • You can make pasta in your water boiler.

        Disadvantages:



        • Hard to clean.


        • Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will
          expend full energy keeping the water boiling.


        • Incredibly dangerous, a big fire hazard. Because it's modified to ignore the internal temperature sensor it will keep heating and
          heating even if all the water is vaporized. Once this is the case, it
          will start getting so hot it will melt the boiler and the metal of
          the heating element at which point your stovetop may catch fire.


        Story about faulty kettle.
        water boiler that caught fire






        share|improve this answer




















        • 2





          This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

          – Federico Poloni
          2 days ago






        • 2





          Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

          – Paul Kertscher
          2 days ago















        30














        Advantages:



        • You can make pasta in your water boiler.

        Disadvantages:



        • Hard to clean.


        • Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will
          expend full energy keeping the water boiling.


        • Incredibly dangerous, a big fire hazard. Because it's modified to ignore the internal temperature sensor it will keep heating and
          heating even if all the water is vaporized. Once this is the case, it
          will start getting so hot it will melt the boiler and the metal of
          the heating element at which point your stovetop may catch fire.


        Story about faulty kettle.
        water boiler that caught fire






        share|improve this answer




















        • 2





          This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

          – Federico Poloni
          2 days ago






        • 2





          Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

          – Paul Kertscher
          2 days ago













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        30







        Advantages:



        • You can make pasta in your water boiler.

        Disadvantages:



        • Hard to clean.


        • Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will
          expend full energy keeping the water boiling.


        • Incredibly dangerous, a big fire hazard. Because it's modified to ignore the internal temperature sensor it will keep heating and
          heating even if all the water is vaporized. Once this is the case, it
          will start getting so hot it will melt the boiler and the metal of
          the heating element at which point your stovetop may catch fire.


        Story about faulty kettle.
        water boiler that caught fire






        share|improve this answer















        Advantages:



        • You can make pasta in your water boiler.

        Disadvantages:



        • Hard to clean.


        • Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will
          expend full energy keeping the water boiling.


        • Incredibly dangerous, a big fire hazard. Because it's modified to ignore the internal temperature sensor it will keep heating and
          heating even if all the water is vaporized. Once this is the case, it
          will start getting so hot it will melt the boiler and the metal of
          the heating element at which point your stovetop may catch fire.


        Story about faulty kettle.
        water boiler that caught fire







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        • 2





          This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

          – Federico Poloni
          2 days ago






        • 2





          Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

          – Paul Kertscher
          2 days ago












        • 2





          This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

          – Federico Poloni
          2 days ago






        • 2





          Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

          – Paul Kertscher
          2 days ago







        2




        2





        This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

        – Federico Poloni
        2 days ago





        This. Seriously, don't do that, if you care about your life.

        – Federico Poloni
        2 days ago




        2




        2





        Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

        – Paul Kertscher
        2 days ago





        Something alike (not a modified boiler, but a regular one) happened to me. My wife and I were lucky to have survived.

        – Paul Kertscher
        2 days ago













        11














        Advantages:



        • you free up one burner in your stovetop, and one pot

        Disadvantages:



        • you might damage your equipment in the long term (starch might get in places where it shouldn't, and metallic parts will get damaged by the salt)

        • you can't boil clean water in that boiler anymore (I doubt it will be easy to clean)

        • if it doesn't have a temperature control, it will spill over - and you can't just "turn the heat down"

        Others:



        • you still need to keep an eye on it to check if it's cooked, as with any other method





        share|improve this answer



























          11














          Advantages:



          • you free up one burner in your stovetop, and one pot

          Disadvantages:



          • you might damage your equipment in the long term (starch might get in places where it shouldn't, and metallic parts will get damaged by the salt)

          • you can't boil clean water in that boiler anymore (I doubt it will be easy to clean)

          • if it doesn't have a temperature control, it will spill over - and you can't just "turn the heat down"

          Others:



          • you still need to keep an eye on it to check if it's cooked, as with any other method





          share|improve this answer

























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            11








            11







            Advantages:



            • you free up one burner in your stovetop, and one pot

            Disadvantages:



            • you might damage your equipment in the long term (starch might get in places where it shouldn't, and metallic parts will get damaged by the salt)

            • you can't boil clean water in that boiler anymore (I doubt it will be easy to clean)

            • if it doesn't have a temperature control, it will spill over - and you can't just "turn the heat down"

            Others:



            • you still need to keep an eye on it to check if it's cooked, as with any other method





            share|improve this answer













            Advantages:



            • you free up one burner in your stovetop, and one pot

            Disadvantages:



            • you might damage your equipment in the long term (starch might get in places where it shouldn't, and metallic parts will get damaged by the salt)

            • you can't boil clean water in that boiler anymore (I doubt it will be easy to clean)

            • if it doesn't have a temperature control, it will spill over - and you can't just "turn the heat down"

            Others:



            • you still need to keep an eye on it to check if it's cooked, as with any other method






            share|improve this answer












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                It depends on the nature of your electric water boiler. I assume you are using a kettle-like device, but I may be wrong. If this is the case, then your pasta will be sitting atop and within the metal coils. You risk burning and deforming the pasta with this approach.



                If you're in a bind and don't have access to a stove, I would recommend boiling water in the kettle, pouring it into a pot with the pasta, and replacing with the water with newly boiled water as it cools.






                share|improve this answer








                New contributor




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                  It depends on the nature of your electric water boiler. I assume you are using a kettle-like device, but I may be wrong. If this is the case, then your pasta will be sitting atop and within the metal coils. You risk burning and deforming the pasta with this approach.



                  If you're in a bind and don't have access to a stove, I would recommend boiling water in the kettle, pouring it into a pot with the pasta, and replacing with the water with newly boiled water as it cools.






                  share|improve this answer








                  New contributor




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                    It depends on the nature of your electric water boiler. I assume you are using a kettle-like device, but I may be wrong. If this is the case, then your pasta will be sitting atop and within the metal coils. You risk burning and deforming the pasta with this approach.



                    If you're in a bind and don't have access to a stove, I would recommend boiling water in the kettle, pouring it into a pot with the pasta, and replacing with the water with newly boiled water as it cools.






                    share|improve this answer








                    New contributor




                    StSoup is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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                    It depends on the nature of your electric water boiler. I assume you are using a kettle-like device, but I may be wrong. If this is the case, then your pasta will be sitting atop and within the metal coils. You risk burning and deforming the pasta with this approach.



                    If you're in a bind and don't have access to a stove, I would recommend boiling water in the kettle, pouring it into a pot with the pasta, and replacing with the water with newly boiled water as it cools.







                    share|improve this answer








                    New contributor




                    StSoup is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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                        Even if you somehow took care of the safety issue that others have mentioned, for example by staying with it the entire time making sure there's always enough water in it, there's a practical issue that stems from this point (taken from Pieter's answer):




                        Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will expend full energy keeping the water boiling.




                        This is an important issue that's gotten overshadowed by the safety issue. While the energy waste is one thing, it's not just keeping the water boiling (like you would when boiling water on a stove) but it's on full throttle all the time meaning it will produce a lot of steam.



                        Let's say you start cooking your pasta when the water is already at boiling temperature and it needs to be going 10 more minutes. Assuming a water cooker with a power rating of 2000 watt (which is common in the EU) that means you're adding 2000*10*60=1,200,000 Joules to the boiling water. Taking into account the heat of vaporisation for water that means you're putting in enough energy to turn 1,200,000 /2257=532 grams of water into steam (assuming all the energy goes into heating the boiling water and no other heat losses).



                        When starting on this answer I'd expected it to be a bit more, but consider that half a litre is still significant if it coats stuff in your kitchen.



                        In the US this is probably less of a problem as the average water cooker there runs at 1500 watt or so.






                        share|improve this answer



























                          0














                          Even if you somehow took care of the safety issue that others have mentioned, for example by staying with it the entire time making sure there's always enough water in it, there's a practical issue that stems from this point (taken from Pieter's answer):




                          Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will expend full energy keeping the water boiling.




                          This is an important issue that's gotten overshadowed by the safety issue. While the energy waste is one thing, it's not just keeping the water boiling (like you would when boiling water on a stove) but it's on full throttle all the time meaning it will produce a lot of steam.



                          Let's say you start cooking your pasta when the water is already at boiling temperature and it needs to be going 10 more minutes. Assuming a water cooker with a power rating of 2000 watt (which is common in the EU) that means you're adding 2000*10*60=1,200,000 Joules to the boiling water. Taking into account the heat of vaporisation for water that means you're putting in enough energy to turn 1,200,000 /2257=532 grams of water into steam (assuming all the energy goes into heating the boiling water and no other heat losses).



                          When starting on this answer I'd expected it to be a bit more, but consider that half a litre is still significant if it coats stuff in your kitchen.



                          In the US this is probably less of a problem as the average water cooker there runs at 1500 watt or so.






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                            Even if you somehow took care of the safety issue that others have mentioned, for example by staying with it the entire time making sure there's always enough water in it, there's a practical issue that stems from this point (taken from Pieter's answer):




                            Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will expend full energy keeping the water boiling.




                            This is an important issue that's gotten overshadowed by the safety issue. While the energy waste is one thing, it's not just keeping the water boiling (like you would when boiling water on a stove) but it's on full throttle all the time meaning it will produce a lot of steam.



                            Let's say you start cooking your pasta when the water is already at boiling temperature and it needs to be going 10 more minutes. Assuming a water cooker with a power rating of 2000 watt (which is common in the EU) that means you're adding 2000*10*60=1,200,000 Joules to the boiling water. Taking into account the heat of vaporisation for water that means you're putting in enough energy to turn 1,200,000 /2257=532 grams of water into steam (assuming all the energy goes into heating the boiling water and no other heat losses).



                            When starting on this answer I'd expected it to be a bit more, but consider that half a litre is still significant if it coats stuff in your kitchen.



                            In the US this is probably less of a problem as the average water cooker there runs at 1500 watt or so.






                            share|improve this answer













                            Even if you somehow took care of the safety issue that others have mentioned, for example by staying with it the entire time making sure there's always enough water in it, there's a practical issue that stems from this point (taken from Pieter's answer):




                            Waste of energy, a water boiler is on or off, it will expend full energy keeping the water boiling.




                            This is an important issue that's gotten overshadowed by the safety issue. While the energy waste is one thing, it's not just keeping the water boiling (like you would when boiling water on a stove) but it's on full throttle all the time meaning it will produce a lot of steam.



                            Let's say you start cooking your pasta when the water is already at boiling temperature and it needs to be going 10 more minutes. Assuming a water cooker with a power rating of 2000 watt (which is common in the EU) that means you're adding 2000*10*60=1,200,000 Joules to the boiling water. Taking into account the heat of vaporisation for water that means you're putting in enough energy to turn 1,200,000 /2257=532 grams of water into steam (assuming all the energy goes into heating the boiling water and no other heat losses).



                            When starting on this answer I'd expected it to be a bit more, but consider that half a litre is still significant if it coats stuff in your kitchen.



                            In the US this is probably less of a problem as the average water cooker there runs at 1500 watt or so.







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