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When communicating altitude with a '9' in it, should it be pronounced “nine hundred” or “niner hundred”?
Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?How can I politely remind ATC that I'm waiting for instructions or clearance?What is the proper procedure for leaving class D airspace?Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?What are the advantages of squawking 7700?When is an aircraft handed over from Center to Approach?When should a pilot use the word “takeoff?”When flying to a towered airport when the tower is closed, what frequency should I use?How works the system of frequency for aircraft commercial AirlineWhat is the sequence of ATC frequencies for final approach at JFK?Should I inform ATC about minor deviations to maintain VFR while on practice instrument approaches?
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It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.
E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
vs
"Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"
radio-communications
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add a comment |
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It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.
E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
vs
"Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"
radio-communications
$endgroup$
add a comment |
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It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.
E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
vs
"Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"
radio-communications
$endgroup$
It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.
E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
vs
"Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"
radio-communications
radio-communications
asked Apr 14 at 10:46
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In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:
All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
follows:Table 5
Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
10 One Zero WUN ZERO
100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND
There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.
I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation
No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer
EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?
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add a comment |
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Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.
From Wikipedia
The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
radiotelephone spelling alphabet.
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add a comment |
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ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.
In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.
I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.
With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.
$endgroup$
4
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What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
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In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
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– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
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Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
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– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
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In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:
All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
follows:Table 5
Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
10 One Zero WUN ZERO
100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND
There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.
I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation
No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer
EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?
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$begingroup$
In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:
All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
follows:Table 5
Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
10 One Zero WUN ZERO
100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND
There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.
I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation
No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer
EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:
All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
follows:Table 5
Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
10 One Zero WUN ZERO
100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND
There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.
I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation
No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer
EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?
$endgroup$
In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:
All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
follows:Table 5
Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
10 One Zero WUN ZERO
100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND
There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.
I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation
No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer
EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?
edited Apr 16 at 12:03
answered Apr 14 at 15:03
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.
From Wikipedia
The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
radiotelephone spelling alphabet.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.
From Wikipedia
The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
radiotelephone spelling alphabet.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.
From Wikipedia
The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
radiotelephone spelling alphabet.
$endgroup$
Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.
From Wikipedia
The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
radiotelephone spelling alphabet.
answered Apr 14 at 14:41
JScarryJScarry
4,5651926
4,5651926
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ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.
In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.
I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.
In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.
I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.
In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.
I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.
$endgroup$
ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.
In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.
I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.
answered Apr 16 at 14:10
StephenSStephenS
5,9911930
5,9911930
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NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.
With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.
$endgroup$
4
$begingroup$
What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
add a comment |
$begingroup$
NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.
With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.
$endgroup$
4
$begingroup$
What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
add a comment |
$begingroup$
NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.
With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.
$endgroup$
NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.
With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.
answered Apr 14 at 16:38
John KJohn K
31.4k153102
31.4k153102
4
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What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
add a comment |
4
$begingroup$
What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
4
4
$begingroup$
What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
$endgroup$
– Wayne Conrad
Apr 14 at 21:31
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
$begingroup$
In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
$endgroup$
– John K
Apr 14 at 23:27
1
1
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
$begingroup$
Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
$endgroup$
– rmaddy
Apr 15 at 4:37
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