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How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?


If “Brotaufstrich” is something smeared on bread, why is “Fruchtaufstrich” not smeared on fruit?When can one create a “zusammengesetzes Nomen”? When should one use genitive or prepositions instead?What is the etymology of “sau-”?What’s the meaning of “Machenschaft”?Existence of the word “analkoholisch” (antialkoholisch)Why isn't plural ihr used for Formal instead of Sie?“Eine Flasche Wasser” versus “Eine Wasserflasche”Etymology of „es geht um die Wurst“?Stochastic: Why are permutations (nPr) called variations in German?Origin of “zu wehen” and relation to “att vina” in swedish?






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How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?



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  • It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

    – mathreadler
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    About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
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    Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

    – OcK
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    know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

    – Tom
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    I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

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One of my German teachers taught me this very cool word. My current teacher didn't know it.



How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?



https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treppenwitz










share|improve this question


























  • It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

    – mathreadler
    Apr 15 at 8:04






  • 2





    About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Apr 15 at 10:22






  • 7





    Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

    – OcK
    Apr 15 at 12:30






  • 2





    know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

    – Tom
    Apr 16 at 9:08






  • 4





    I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

    – Christian Geiselmann
    Apr 16 at 10:59














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One of my German teachers taught me this very cool word. My current teacher didn't know it.



How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?



https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treppenwitz










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One of my German teachers taught me this very cool word. My current teacher didn't know it.



How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?



https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treppenwitz







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  • It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

    – mathreadler
    Apr 15 at 8:04






  • 2





    About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Apr 15 at 10:22






  • 7





    Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

    – OcK
    Apr 15 at 12:30






  • 2





    know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

    – Tom
    Apr 16 at 9:08






  • 4





    I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

    – Christian Geiselmann
    Apr 16 at 10:59


















  • It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

    – mathreadler
    Apr 15 at 8:04






  • 2





    About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Apr 15 at 10:22






  • 7





    Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

    – OcK
    Apr 15 at 12:30






  • 2





    know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

    – Tom
    Apr 16 at 9:08






  • 4





    I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

    – Christian Geiselmann
    Apr 16 at 10:59

















It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

– mathreadler
Apr 15 at 8:04





It seems that in french, it is an escalated joke? (l’esprit de l’escalier)

– mathreadler
Apr 15 at 8:04




2




2





About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Apr 15 at 10:22





About as widely known as the English equivalent, staircase wit, I would assume. :-þ

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Apr 15 at 10:22




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Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

– OcK
Apr 15 at 12:30





Never heard it by anyone, also not read or seen in books or tv ...

– OcK
Apr 15 at 12:30




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know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

– Tom
Apr 16 at 9:08





know yes, use no. It's a very rarely used word but most Germans will understand (roughly) what you mean.

– Tom
Apr 16 at 9:08




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I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

– Christian Geiselmann
Apr 16 at 10:59






I hate this word. That's because even as a 50 years old former newspaper journalist and now education manager, I have no idea what it should mean. It is, however, used, relatively often, but typically in a way suggesting that the user also does not know what it means, just uses it by way of cliché.

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From my experience, most people have heard of the term, but don't neccessarily know the exact and/or correct meaning. And "Treppenwitz" also isn't regularily used in day-to-day conversations, either.






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  • This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

    – jonathan.scholbach
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  • @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

    – Shegit Brahm
    Apr 15 at 7:14






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    I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

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  • I second this, most people have head the word, but never used it and only have a very vague idea of its meaning

    – Hobbamok
    Apr 15 at 9:24






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    Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

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How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?




I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German does of course know the Treppenwitz der Geschichte, but that no one or nearly no one would use Treppenwitz alone. Hence, a sentence like Na, das war ja ein Treppenwitz! is unlikely. In a case like that, people would rather say: Ach, warum ist mir das nicht vorhin eingefallen?






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    I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

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    I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

    – michi7x7
    Apr 15 at 13:57






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    Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

    – michi7x7
    Apr 15 at 14:04






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    I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

    – Bernhard Döbler
    Apr 15 at 16:00






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    "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

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Please note there are mainly two explanations of this word:



  1. Lack of spontaneity


  2. Sarcastic expression of something that went wrong in the past


I would say the second one is the most common understanding of the word nowadays and it is still used here and there, I would not say it is old or outdated. Your question is very opinion based and hard to tell in detail without statistical evidence. Maybe not all Germans know the detailed meaning however they might have heard this in their lifetime for sure.



This is the explanation I prefer:




Heute wird der Ausdruck Treppenwitz auch – abweichend von der
ursprünglichen Bedeutung – für „Ironie des Schicksals“, „alberner
Witz“ oder „unangemessenes, lächerliches Verhalten“ verwendet. So
werden geschichtliche Begebenheiten, die – vor allem nachträglich –
absurd oder ironisch wirken, als „Treppenwitz der Geschichte“
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    Nietzsche erklärt Treppenwitz am schönsten. Daraus leitet er einen wunderschönen Begriff (Treppen-Glück):




    Wie der Witz mancher Menschen nicht mit der Gelegenheit gleichen Schritt hält, so dass die Gelegenheit schon durch die Türe hindurch ist, während der Witz noch auf der Treppe steht: so gibt es bei anderen eine Art von Treppen-Glück, welches zu langsam läuft, um der schnellfüssigen Zeit immer zur Seite zu sein: das Beste, was sie von einem Erlebnis, einer ganzen Lebensstrecke zu geniessen bekommen, fällt ihnen erst lange Zeit hinterher zu, oft nur als ein schwacher, gewürzter Duft, welcher Sehnsucht erweckt und Trauer — als ob es möglich gewesen wäre — irgendwann — in diesem Element sich recht satt zu trinken: nun aber ist es zu spät.” Menschliches, Allzumenschliches II, Friedrich Nietzsche, 1879




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      • This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

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      • @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

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        I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

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        Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

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      From my experience, most people have heard of the term, but don't neccessarily know the exact and/or correct meaning. And "Treppenwitz" also isn't regularily used in day-to-day conversations, either.






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      • This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

        – jonathan.scholbach
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      • @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

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        I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

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        Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

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      • This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

        – jonathan.scholbach
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      • @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

        – Shegit Brahm
        Apr 15 at 7:14






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        I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

        – smcs
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      • I second this, most people have head the word, but never used it and only have a very vague idea of its meaning

        – Hobbamok
        Apr 15 at 9:24






      • 1





        Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

        – Carsten S
        Apr 15 at 11:06

















      • This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

        – jonathan.scholbach
        Apr 15 at 6:57












      • @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

        – Shegit Brahm
        Apr 15 at 7:14






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        I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

        – smcs
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      • I second this, most people have head the word, but never used it and only have a very vague idea of its meaning

        – Hobbamok
        Apr 15 at 9:24






      • 1





        Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

        – Carsten S
        Apr 15 at 11:06
















      This is backed by the fact that the word has changed its meaning and is an example of Volksetymologie now.

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      @jonathan.scholbach: true - I use the term often enough to know it's current meaning and not it's origin :-o

      – Shegit Brahm
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      – Shegit Brahm
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      I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

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      I was going to mention that "Treppenwitz der Geschichte" is at least reasonably commonly used and googled for appearances. Well, apparently not even chancellor Merkel can get it right :/ sueddeutsche.de/politik/aktuelles-lexikon-treppenwitz-1.4192050

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      I second this, most people have head the word, but never used it and only have a very vague idea of its meaning

      – Hobbamok
      Apr 15 at 9:24





      I second this, most people have head the word, but never used it and only have a very vague idea of its meaning

      – Hobbamok
      Apr 15 at 9:24




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      Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

      – Carsten S
      Apr 15 at 11:06





      Just as an anecdote: I learned "esprit d'escalier" from English usage and only then realised that "Treppenwitz" is the German equivalent. I had no clear idea of the meaning of the German word before that.

      – Carsten S
      Apr 15 at 11:06













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      How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?




      I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German does of course know the Treppenwitz der Geschichte, but that no one or nearly no one would use Treppenwitz alone. Hence, a sentence like Na, das war ja ein Treppenwitz! is unlikely. In a case like that, people would rather say: Ach, warum ist mir das nicht vorhin eingefallen?






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        I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

        – sebrockm
        Apr 15 at 11:53






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        I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 13:57






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        Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 14:04






      • 6





        I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

        – Bernhard Döbler
        Apr 15 at 16:00






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        "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

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      How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?




      I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German does of course know the Treppenwitz der Geschichte, but that no one or nearly no one would use Treppenwitz alone. Hence, a sentence like Na, das war ja ein Treppenwitz! is unlikely. In a case like that, people would rather say: Ach, warum ist mir das nicht vorhin eingefallen?






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        I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

        – sebrockm
        Apr 15 at 11:53






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        I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 13:57






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        Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 14:04






      • 6





        I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

        – Bernhard Döbler
        Apr 15 at 16:00






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        "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

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      How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?




      I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German does of course know the Treppenwitz der Geschichte, but that no one or nearly no one would use Treppenwitz alone. Hence, a sentence like Na, das war ja ein Treppenwitz! is unlikely. In a case like that, people would rather say: Ach, warum ist mir das nicht vorhin eingefallen?






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      How widely used is the term Treppenwitz? Is it something that most Germans know?




      I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German does of course know the Treppenwitz der Geschichte, but that no one or nearly no one would use Treppenwitz alone. Hence, a sentence like Na, das war ja ein Treppenwitz! is unlikely. In a case like that, people would rather say: Ach, warum ist mir das nicht vorhin eingefallen?







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        I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

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        I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

        – michi7x7
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        Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

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        I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

        – Bernhard Döbler
        Apr 15 at 16:00






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        "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

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        I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

        – sebrockm
        Apr 15 at 11:53






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        I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 13:57






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        Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

        – michi7x7
        Apr 15 at 14:04






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        I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

        – Bernhard Döbler
        Apr 15 at 16:00






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        "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

        – rexkogitans
        Apr 17 at 12:38







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      I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

      – sebrockm
      Apr 15 at 11:53





      I've never heard of Treppenwitz der Geschichte before. So apparently I have to reconsider my level of education :P

      – sebrockm
      Apr 15 at 11:53




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      I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

      – michi7x7
      Apr 15 at 13:57





      I (being Austrian) have never heard this word ever before. And I do consider myself reasonably educated.

      – michi7x7
      Apr 15 at 13:57




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      Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

      – michi7x7
      Apr 15 at 14:04





      Anyways, if you search for uses online, you will find that it is mostly used with a strangely unclear meaning: corpora.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/res?word=Treppenwitz

      – michi7x7
      Apr 15 at 14:04




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      I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

      – Bernhard Döbler
      Apr 15 at 16:00





      I've known the term Treppenwitz der Geschichte for a long time as a well educated German speaker. I once looked up the term Treppenwitz and understood it as a lack of spontaneity as an answer mentions: A joking remark you come up with after you left a room and are already using the stars (up/down/out of the house - whatever)

      – Bernhard Döbler
      Apr 15 at 16:00




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      "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

      – rexkogitans
      Apr 17 at 12:38





      "I'd say that every reasonably educated native speaker of German" As you can see by the comments of @sebrockm and michi7x7, this sentence does not hold. Also, it is offending and contemptuous. Please, rephrase that.

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      Please note there are mainly two explanations of this word:



      1. Lack of spontaneity


      2. Sarcastic expression of something that went wrong in the past


      I would say the second one is the most common understanding of the word nowadays and it is still used here and there, I would not say it is old or outdated. Your question is very opinion based and hard to tell in detail without statistical evidence. Maybe not all Germans know the detailed meaning however they might have heard this in their lifetime for sure.



      This is the explanation I prefer:




      Heute wird der Ausdruck Treppenwitz auch – abweichend von der
      ursprünglichen Bedeutung – für „Ironie des Schicksals“, „alberner
      Witz“ oder „unangemessenes, lächerliches Verhalten“ verwendet. So
      werden geschichtliche Begebenheiten, die – vor allem nachträglich –
      absurd oder ironisch wirken, als „Treppenwitz der Geschichte“
      bezeichnet.







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        Please note there are mainly two explanations of this word:



        1. Lack of spontaneity


        2. Sarcastic expression of something that went wrong in the past


        I would say the second one is the most common understanding of the word nowadays and it is still used here and there, I would not say it is old or outdated. Your question is very opinion based and hard to tell in detail without statistical evidence. Maybe not all Germans know the detailed meaning however they might have heard this in their lifetime for sure.



        This is the explanation I prefer:




        Heute wird der Ausdruck Treppenwitz auch – abweichend von der
        ursprünglichen Bedeutung – für „Ironie des Schicksals“, „alberner
        Witz“ oder „unangemessenes, lächerliches Verhalten“ verwendet. So
        werden geschichtliche Begebenheiten, die – vor allem nachträglich –
        absurd oder ironisch wirken, als „Treppenwitz der Geschichte“
        bezeichnet.







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          Please note there are mainly two explanations of this word:



          1. Lack of spontaneity


          2. Sarcastic expression of something that went wrong in the past


          I would say the second one is the most common understanding of the word nowadays and it is still used here and there, I would not say it is old or outdated. Your question is very opinion based and hard to tell in detail without statistical evidence. Maybe not all Germans know the detailed meaning however they might have heard this in their lifetime for sure.



          This is the explanation I prefer:




          Heute wird der Ausdruck Treppenwitz auch – abweichend von der
          ursprünglichen Bedeutung – für „Ironie des Schicksals“, „alberner
          Witz“ oder „unangemessenes, lächerliches Verhalten“ verwendet. So
          werden geschichtliche Begebenheiten, die – vor allem nachträglich –
          absurd oder ironisch wirken, als „Treppenwitz der Geschichte“
          bezeichnet.







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          Please note there are mainly two explanations of this word:



          1. Lack of spontaneity


          2. Sarcastic expression of something that went wrong in the past


          I would say the second one is the most common understanding of the word nowadays and it is still used here and there, I would not say it is old or outdated. Your question is very opinion based and hard to tell in detail without statistical evidence. Maybe not all Germans know the detailed meaning however they might have heard this in their lifetime for sure.



          This is the explanation I prefer:




          Heute wird der Ausdruck Treppenwitz auch – abweichend von der
          ursprünglichen Bedeutung – für „Ironie des Schicksals“, „alberner
          Witz“ oder „unangemessenes, lächerliches Verhalten“ verwendet. So
          werden geschichtliche Begebenheiten, die – vor allem nachträglich –
          absurd oder ironisch wirken, als „Treppenwitz der Geschichte“
          bezeichnet.








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              Nietzsche erklärt Treppenwitz am schönsten. Daraus leitet er einen wunderschönen Begriff (Treppen-Glück):




              Wie der Witz mancher Menschen nicht mit der Gelegenheit gleichen Schritt hält, so dass die Gelegenheit schon durch die Türe hindurch ist, während der Witz noch auf der Treppe steht: so gibt es bei anderen eine Art von Treppen-Glück, welches zu langsam läuft, um der schnellfüssigen Zeit immer zur Seite zu sein: das Beste, was sie von einem Erlebnis, einer ganzen Lebensstrecke zu geniessen bekommen, fällt ihnen erst lange Zeit hinterher zu, oft nur als ein schwacher, gewürzter Duft, welcher Sehnsucht erweckt und Trauer — als ob es möglich gewesen wäre — irgendwann — in diesem Element sich recht satt zu trinken: nun aber ist es zu spät.” Menschliches, Allzumenschliches II, Friedrich Nietzsche, 1879




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                Nietzsche erklärt Treppenwitz am schönsten. Daraus leitet er einen wunderschönen Begriff (Treppen-Glück):




                Wie der Witz mancher Menschen nicht mit der Gelegenheit gleichen Schritt hält, so dass die Gelegenheit schon durch die Türe hindurch ist, während der Witz noch auf der Treppe steht: so gibt es bei anderen eine Art von Treppen-Glück, welches zu langsam läuft, um der schnellfüssigen Zeit immer zur Seite zu sein: das Beste, was sie von einem Erlebnis, einer ganzen Lebensstrecke zu geniessen bekommen, fällt ihnen erst lange Zeit hinterher zu, oft nur als ein schwacher, gewürzter Duft, welcher Sehnsucht erweckt und Trauer — als ob es möglich gewesen wäre — irgendwann — in diesem Element sich recht satt zu trinken: nun aber ist es zu spät.” Menschliches, Allzumenschliches II, Friedrich Nietzsche, 1879




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                  Nietzsche erklärt Treppenwitz am schönsten. Daraus leitet er einen wunderschönen Begriff (Treppen-Glück):




                  Wie der Witz mancher Menschen nicht mit der Gelegenheit gleichen Schritt hält, so dass die Gelegenheit schon durch die Türe hindurch ist, während der Witz noch auf der Treppe steht: so gibt es bei anderen eine Art von Treppen-Glück, welches zu langsam läuft, um der schnellfüssigen Zeit immer zur Seite zu sein: das Beste, was sie von einem Erlebnis, einer ganzen Lebensstrecke zu geniessen bekommen, fällt ihnen erst lange Zeit hinterher zu, oft nur als ein schwacher, gewürzter Duft, welcher Sehnsucht erweckt und Trauer — als ob es möglich gewesen wäre — irgendwann — in diesem Element sich recht satt zu trinken: nun aber ist es zu spät.” Menschliches, Allzumenschliches II, Friedrich Nietzsche, 1879




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                  Nietzsche erklärt Treppenwitz am schönsten. Daraus leitet er einen wunderschönen Begriff (Treppen-Glück):




                  Wie der Witz mancher Menschen nicht mit der Gelegenheit gleichen Schritt hält, so dass die Gelegenheit schon durch die Türe hindurch ist, während der Witz noch auf der Treppe steht: so gibt es bei anderen eine Art von Treppen-Glück, welches zu langsam läuft, um der schnellfüssigen Zeit immer zur Seite zu sein: das Beste, was sie von einem Erlebnis, einer ganzen Lebensstrecke zu geniessen bekommen, fällt ihnen erst lange Zeit hinterher zu, oft nur als ein schwacher, gewürzter Duft, welcher Sehnsucht erweckt und Trauer — als ob es möglich gewesen wäre — irgendwann — in diesem Element sich recht satt zu trinken: nun aber ist es zu spät.” Menschliches, Allzumenschliches II, Friedrich Nietzsche, 1879




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