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Could a US citizen born through “birth tourism” become President?


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A few years back, there was a lot of news coverage of the increase in "birth tourism". Basically, people would come to the US very late in their pregnancy to have children with US citizenship, and then return to raise these children back in the parental homeland.



Would it be a plausible scenario that one of these "non-resident" citizens emigrating and running for office, particularly the office of president?



From what I've read, to become President, one must be a citizen over 35 who has lived in US for 14 years (Correct me if I'm wrong). There's lots of info regarding "naturalized" citizens in public office, but little, if any, about foreign raised citizens (except those in military/foreign service born to at least one US citizen).










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    A comparable case (in the Philippines) of a citizen running for election whose eligibility or citizenship was disputed was Grace Poe in the 2016 elections. Poe was a 'foundling' at birth and thus a presumptive Filipino citizen; moreover she acquired US citizenship by naturalization in 2001, then in 2010 renounced it and reacquired Philippine citizenship, before further running for office.

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A few years back, there was a lot of news coverage of the increase in "birth tourism". Basically, people would come to the US very late in their pregnancy to have children with US citizenship, and then return to raise these children back in the parental homeland.



Would it be a plausible scenario that one of these "non-resident" citizens emigrating and running for office, particularly the office of president?



From what I've read, to become President, one must be a citizen over 35 who has lived in US for 14 years (Correct me if I'm wrong). There's lots of info regarding "naturalized" citizens in public office, but little, if any, about foreign raised citizens (except those in military/foreign service born to at least one US citizen).










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    A comparable case (in the Philippines) of a citizen running for election whose eligibility or citizenship was disputed was Grace Poe in the 2016 elections. Poe was a 'foundling' at birth and thus a presumptive Filipino citizen; moreover she acquired US citizenship by naturalization in 2001, then in 2010 renounced it and reacquired Philippine citizenship, before further running for office.

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A few years back, there was a lot of news coverage of the increase in "birth tourism". Basically, people would come to the US very late in their pregnancy to have children with US citizenship, and then return to raise these children back in the parental homeland.



Would it be a plausible scenario that one of these "non-resident" citizens emigrating and running for office, particularly the office of president?



From what I've read, to become President, one must be a citizen over 35 who has lived in US for 14 years (Correct me if I'm wrong). There's lots of info regarding "naturalized" citizens in public office, but little, if any, about foreign raised citizens (except those in military/foreign service born to at least one US citizen).










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A few years back, there was a lot of news coverage of the increase in "birth tourism". Basically, people would come to the US very late in their pregnancy to have children with US citizenship, and then return to raise these children back in the parental homeland.



Would it be a plausible scenario that one of these "non-resident" citizens emigrating and running for office, particularly the office of president?



From what I've read, to become President, one must be a citizen over 35 who has lived in US for 14 years (Correct me if I'm wrong). There's lots of info regarding "naturalized" citizens in public office, but little, if any, about foreign raised citizens (except those in military/foreign service born to at least one US citizen).







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A comparable case (in the Philippines) of a citizen running for election whose eligibility or citizenship was disputed was Grace Poe in the 2016 elections. Poe was a 'foundling' at birth and thus a presumptive Filipino citizen; moreover she acquired US citizenship by naturalization in 2001, then in 2010 renounced it and reacquired Philippine citizenship, before further running for office.

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A comparable case (in the Philippines) of a citizen running for election whose eligibility or citizenship was disputed was Grace Poe in the 2016 elections. Poe was a 'foundling' at birth and thus a presumptive Filipino citizen; moreover she acquired US citizenship by naturalization in 2001, then in 2010 renounced it and reacquired Philippine citizenship, before further running for office.

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Could a US citizen born through "birth tourism" become President?




Yes in principle, with some provisions:




Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:



"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
These requirements have been modified twice. Under the 12th Amendment, the same three qualifications were applied to the vice president of the United States. The 22nd Amendment limited office holders to two terms as president.




Regarding the natural born citizen thing the 14th amendment leaves little room for interpretation: if you were born in the US, then you are a citizen.



You'd also need to win applicable primaries and get elected, but that's a different story.






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    @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

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    @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

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    @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

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    @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

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    For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

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To serve as president, one must:



  1. Be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

  2. Be at least 35 years old

  3. Have been a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years

Provided they've lived in the US long enough and are old enough, there's nothing that would prevent a "birth tourist" baby from being elected president. But that raises another, fourth qualification to serve as president that's so obvious most people don't think about it. You must:



  1. Be elected

A "Manchurian candidate" who grew up in another country and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the U.S. would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate, especially if they have strong ties to an adversarial nation. It's perfectly possible for them to be elected, but they'd have to be a great candidate to overcome the negative optics around their personal history.






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    Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

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    @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

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  • It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

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    A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

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    @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

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The Supreme Court hasn't directly ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. However, obiter dictum in the Wong Kim Ark ruling gives us some clues. Emphasis mine.




In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.




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II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.




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Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:



By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.




And much of the English common law is examined, all in support of the conclusion:




The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."




Thus, a similar argument can be formed regarding the natural-born citizen clause (rather than the citizenship clause), namely that:



  • In order to determine the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause, we have to look at the meanings of the words under the common law that the United States inherited from the colonial era pre-dating the constitution.

  • Under that common law, "natural-born citizen" includes all individuals born in the territory who acquired citizenship at birth, even if the parents were aliens who were merely visiting the country.

  • Therefore, the natural-born citizen clause should be read as including those born through "birth tourism".

It has been argued that there is some wiggle room regarding the interpretation in the case of individuals born to parents who were not lawfully admitted to the United States, however, that is a different situation from the one contemplated by this question.



Note however that the Wong Kim Ark ruling is only binding precedent regarding the meaning of the citizenship clause, and not the natural-born citizen clause, and it is possible that the Supreme Court would take a different interpretation if actually asked to rule on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. But it does give hints about what conclusions would be most supported by the case law that the Court would examine if this question were put to it.






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    Under the 14th amendment (emphasis mine):




    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States




    Thus, such a person would meet the "natural born citizen" requirement, regardless of the parents' immigration status at the time of the birth.



    Also under the 14th amendment, if the person involved demonstrates disloyalty to the United States after having previously taken an oath to protect the Constitution. But if they remain loyal to the United States and live there for all of their lives (or at least 14 years of it), then they become eligible from the age of 35.






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    • The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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    It seems the question may have been answered over 120 years ago. Chief Justice Fuller seemed to think so and he didn't much care for the possibility.



    United States v. Wong Kim Ark [p715]: FULLER, C.J., Dissenting Opinion, March 28, 1898. In comments concerning the Court's opinion, CJ Fuller was suggesting that the majority opinion concerning "natural-born citizen", by implication, meant that a child of a birth tourist (modern term) could lead to the possibility that child could become president.




    By the fifth clause of the first section of article two of the Constitution, it is provided that:




    No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.




    In the convention, it was, says Mr. Bancroft,




    objected that no number of years could properly prepare a foreigner for that place; but as men of other lands had spilled their blood in the cause of the United States, and had assisted at every stage of the formation of their institutions, on the seventh of September, it was unanimously settled that foreign-born residents of fourteen years who should be citizens at the time of the formation of the Constitution are eligible to the office of President.




    2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.



    Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.





    The Court applied English common law to reach its interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" thus limiting its scope to the children of ministers and consuls. CJ Fuller disputes that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only that; but also includes children of those temporarily visiting the United States; reasoning the parents are still loyal to and subject to the jurisdiction of their home country. Since such people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. then neither are their children who happen to be born in the U.S.



    At p728-729, CJ Fuller adds:




    The privileges or immunities which, by the second clause of the amendment, the States are forbidden to abridge are the privileges or immunities pertaining to citizenship of the United States, but that clause also places an inhibition on the States from depriving any person of life, liberty or property, and from denying "to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws," that is, of its own laws -- the laws to which its own citizens are subjected.



    The jurisdiction of the State is necessarily local, and the limitation relates to rights primarily secured by the States, and not by the United States. Jurisdiction, as applied to the General Government, embraces international relations; as applied to the State, it refers simply to its power over persons and things within its particular limits.



    These considerations lead to the conclusion that the rule in respect of citizenship of the United States prior to the Fourteenth Amendment differed from the English common law rule in vital particulars, and, among others, in that it did not recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it did recognize an essential difference between birth during temporary, and birth during permanent, residence. If children born in the United States were deemed presumptively and generally citizens, this was not so when they were born of aliens whose residence was merely temporary, either in fact or in point of law.




    CJ Fuller interpreted the Constitution and prior law in a manner consistent with my understanding as given in my original answer.




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    Possibly Currently, but that is based on an interpretation of the Citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.




    All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




    Some future Court could interpret the clause differently.



    For example, of the State wherein they reside, taken narrowly, would mean that such a child, not being a lawful resident of any state at time of birth, is not a citizen of any state and, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the United States. (That child's mother would have to have been a resident of a state.)



    That, of course, would end birth tourism.




    In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, it was the Court's interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and not the text of the 14th Amendment that allowed for "birth tourism". If a new case were to go before the Court, the Court could overturn the opinion in Wong Kim Ark (though after more than 120 years that seems unlikely).



    Alternatively, Congress could, under Amendment 14, Section 5, pass a law to define that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes: children of ministers and consuls; children of those visiting the United States on a visa; children of those who have been granted entry on a request for asylum, until such time as asylum has been granted; children of those who are unlawfully in the United States; etc.



    Those provisions would eliminate "birth tourism" and so-called "anchor babies".






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      @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

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      @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

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      The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

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      @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

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      Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

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    Neither the Electoral College, nor the House, nor the Senate, nor the Supreme Court has shown that it is willing to enforce the eligibility requirements for the offices of President and Vice President. On one occasion (1876) a commission settled a dispute about which slates were part of the Electoral College.



    But even when members of the Electoral College have cast twice as many votes as they were supposed to, the House and Senate did not refuse to accept the alleged votes. Instead, a Constitutional Amendment was passed to clarify how the voting would be done in subsequent elections.



    The Electoral College is an especially weak institution. It faces substantial obstacles to acting as a deliberative body. For example, in the aftermath of the 2016 election, the State of Washington sued one of its representatives in the Electoral College because he dared to exercise discretion about whom to vote for. I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job.



    On three occasions, the Electoral College has elected a person who did not satisfy a strict interpretation of the "natural born citizen" clause. Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object.






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      " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

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      "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

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    • This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

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    • @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

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    • @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

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    Could a US citizen born through "birth tourism" become President?




    Yes in principle, with some provisions:




    Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:



    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
    These requirements have been modified twice. Under the 12th Amendment, the same three qualifications were applied to the vice president of the United States. The 22nd Amendment limited office holders to two terms as president.




    Regarding the natural born citizen thing the 14th amendment leaves little room for interpretation: if you were born in the US, then you are a citizen.



    You'd also need to win applicable primaries and get elected, but that's a different story.






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      @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

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      @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

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      @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

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      @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

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      For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

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    Yes in principle, with some provisions:




    Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:



    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
    These requirements have been modified twice. Under the 12th Amendment, the same three qualifications were applied to the vice president of the United States. The 22nd Amendment limited office holders to two terms as president.




    Regarding the natural born citizen thing the 14th amendment leaves little room for interpretation: if you were born in the US, then you are a citizen.



    You'd also need to win applicable primaries and get elected, but that's a different story.






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      @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

      – Philipp
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      @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

      – Darrel Hoffman
      Jul 19 at 16:02






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      @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

      – KRyan
      Jul 19 at 17:24






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      @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

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      Jul 19 at 17:52






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      For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

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    Could a US citizen born through "birth tourism" become President?




    Yes in principle, with some provisions:




    Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:



    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
    These requirements have been modified twice. Under the 12th Amendment, the same three qualifications were applied to the vice president of the United States. The 22nd Amendment limited office holders to two terms as president.




    Regarding the natural born citizen thing the 14th amendment leaves little room for interpretation: if you were born in the US, then you are a citizen.



    You'd also need to win applicable primaries and get elected, but that's a different story.






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    Could a US citizen born through "birth tourism" become President?




    Yes in principle, with some provisions:




    Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:



    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
    These requirements have been modified twice. Under the 12th Amendment, the same three qualifications were applied to the vice president of the United States. The 22nd Amendment limited office holders to two terms as president.




    Regarding the natural born citizen thing the 14th amendment leaves little room for interpretation: if you were born in the US, then you are a citizen.



    You'd also need to win applicable primaries and get elected, but that's a different story.







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      @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

      – Philipp
      Jul 19 at 13:54







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      @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

      – Darrel Hoffman
      Jul 19 at 16:02






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      @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

      – KRyan
      Jul 19 at 17:24






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      @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

      – jamesqf
      Jul 19 at 17:52






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      For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

      – Schwern
      Jul 19 at 22:33













    • 15





      @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

      – Philipp
      Jul 19 at 13:54







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      @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

      – Darrel Hoffman
      Jul 19 at 16:02






    • 3





      @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

      – KRyan
      Jul 19 at 17:24






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      @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

      – jamesqf
      Jul 19 at 17:52






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      For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

      – Schwern
      Jul 19 at 22:33








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    @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

    – Philipp
    Jul 19 at 13:54






    @WoJ Theoretically one could run for US president as an independent without winning the primary elections of any party. But in practice the only candidates who have a chance to win even one state are those nominated by the two large parties through their primary processes. That's how US presidential elections work.

    – Philipp
    Jul 19 at 13:54





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    @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

    – Darrel Hoffman
    Jul 19 at 16:02





    @Strawberry John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, technically outside the US, and I don't recall the birther movement bringing that up during his presidential run. Had he won, his place of birth would not have prevented him from taking the office.

    – Darrel Hoffman
    Jul 19 at 16:02




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    @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

    – KRyan
    Jul 19 at 17:24





    @Strawberry For what it’s worth, there is some controversy over what exactly “natural-born” means—because it hasn’t actually been defined. The Constitution doesn’t, and no serious court case has ever been brought attempting to disqualify someone’s eligibility for president (or vice president) on the basis of them not being “natural-born,” so no court has ruled on it. Congress actually passed a resolution stating their support for Sen. McCain’s eligibility just in case, since an argument (a weak one, to be sure) could have been made for disqualifying him.

    – KRyan
    Jul 19 at 17:24




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    @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

    – jamesqf
    Jul 19 at 17:52





    @Darrel Hoffman: But the Panama Canal Zone arguably was US territory at the time McCain was born.

    – jamesqf
    Jul 19 at 17:52




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    For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

    – Schwern
    Jul 19 at 22:33






    For the folks bringing up X was born in Y and nobody seemed to mind, while even the hint that Obama was born outside the US brought up controversy; the puzzle is resolved by realizing questioning the citizenship of a politician is an excuse for racism.

    – Schwern
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    To serve as president, one must:



    1. Be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

    2. Be at least 35 years old

    3. Have been a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years

    Provided they've lived in the US long enough and are old enough, there's nothing that would prevent a "birth tourist" baby from being elected president. But that raises another, fourth qualification to serve as president that's so obvious most people don't think about it. You must:



    1. Be elected

    A "Manchurian candidate" who grew up in another country and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the U.S. would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate, especially if they have strong ties to an adversarial nation. It's perfectly possible for them to be elected, but they'd have to be a great candidate to overcome the negative optics around their personal history.






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      Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

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      @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

      – Caleth
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    • It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

      – xyious
      Jul 19 at 19:12






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      A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

      – A. I. Breveleri
      Jul 20 at 2:16






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      @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

      – Mike Harris
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    To serve as president, one must:



    1. Be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

    2. Be at least 35 years old

    3. Have been a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years

    Provided they've lived in the US long enough and are old enough, there's nothing that would prevent a "birth tourist" baby from being elected president. But that raises another, fourth qualification to serve as president that's so obvious most people don't think about it. You must:



    1. Be elected

    A "Manchurian candidate" who grew up in another country and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the U.S. would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate, especially if they have strong ties to an adversarial nation. It's perfectly possible for them to be elected, but they'd have to be a great candidate to overcome the negative optics around their personal history.






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      Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

      – JAD
      Jul 19 at 7:11






    • 5





      @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

      – Caleth
      Jul 19 at 8:38











    • It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

      – xyious
      Jul 19 at 19:12






    • 3





      A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

      – A. I. Breveleri
      Jul 20 at 2:16






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      @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

      – Mike Harris
      Jul 20 at 17:00













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    To serve as president, one must:



    1. Be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

    2. Be at least 35 years old

    3. Have been a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years

    Provided they've lived in the US long enough and are old enough, there's nothing that would prevent a "birth tourist" baby from being elected president. But that raises another, fourth qualification to serve as president that's so obvious most people don't think about it. You must:



    1. Be elected

    A "Manchurian candidate" who grew up in another country and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the U.S. would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate, especially if they have strong ties to an adversarial nation. It's perfectly possible for them to be elected, but they'd have to be a great candidate to overcome the negative optics around their personal history.






    share|improve this answer
















    To serve as president, one must:



    1. Be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

    2. Be at least 35 years old

    3. Have been a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years

    Provided they've lived in the US long enough and are old enough, there's nothing that would prevent a "birth tourist" baby from being elected president. But that raises another, fourth qualification to serve as president that's so obvious most people don't think about it. You must:



    1. Be elected

    A "Manchurian candidate" who grew up in another country and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the U.S. would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate, especially if they have strong ties to an adversarial nation. It's perfectly possible for them to be elected, but they'd have to be a great candidate to overcome the negative optics around their personal history.







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    • 5





      Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

      – JAD
      Jul 19 at 7:11






    • 5





      @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

      – Caleth
      Jul 19 at 8:38











    • It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

      – xyious
      Jul 19 at 19:12






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      A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

      – A. I. Breveleri
      Jul 20 at 2:16






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      @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

      – Mike Harris
      Jul 20 at 17:00












    • 5





      Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

      – JAD
      Jul 19 at 7:11






    • 5





      @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

      – Caleth
      Jul 19 at 8:38











    • It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

      – xyious
      Jul 19 at 19:12






    • 3





      A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

      – A. I. Breveleri
      Jul 20 at 2:16






    • 4





      @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

      – Mike Harris
      Jul 20 at 17:00







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    5





    Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

    – JAD
    Jul 19 at 7:11





    Point 4 is not necessary right? IIRC the line of succession contains some unelected positions.

    – JAD
    Jul 19 at 7:11




    5




    5





    @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

    – Caleth
    Jul 19 at 8:38





    @JAD it is a practical, not legal requirement. If the adversarial nation is capable of killing their way through the line of succession they've already won the war.

    – Caleth
    Jul 19 at 8:38













    It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

    – xyious
    Jul 19 at 19:12





    It's reasonably unlikely that you get there without being elected. it goes VP>speaker of the house>senate majority leader>secretary of state iirc. So you need 4 people to somehow stop being president (before getting replaced in case of speaker of the house, for example) before you get to a position that wasn't elected

    – xyious
    Jul 19 at 19:12




    3




    3





    A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

    – A. I. Breveleri
    Jul 20 at 2:16





    A [candidate] who grew up in another county and has spent the majority of their lifetime outside the US would likely be viewed unfavorably by the electorate - If there is anything that the last four years has taught us it is that it is impossible predict what the U.S. electorate will view favorably or unfavorably.

    – A. I. Breveleri
    Jul 20 at 2:16




    4




    4





    @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

    – Mike Harris
    Jul 20 at 17:00





    @xyious Gerald Ford was never elected to the office of Vice President, but still became president (he was elected to the US Congress, earlier).

    – Mike Harris
    Jul 20 at 17:00











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    The Supreme Court hasn't directly ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. However, obiter dictum in the Wong Kim Ark ruling gives us some clues. Emphasis mine.




    In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.




    And:




    II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.




    And:




    Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:



    By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.




    And much of the English common law is examined, all in support of the conclusion:




    The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."




    Thus, a similar argument can be formed regarding the natural-born citizen clause (rather than the citizenship clause), namely that:



    • In order to determine the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause, we have to look at the meanings of the words under the common law that the United States inherited from the colonial era pre-dating the constitution.

    • Under that common law, "natural-born citizen" includes all individuals born in the territory who acquired citizenship at birth, even if the parents were aliens who were merely visiting the country.

    • Therefore, the natural-born citizen clause should be read as including those born through "birth tourism".

    It has been argued that there is some wiggle room regarding the interpretation in the case of individuals born to parents who were not lawfully admitted to the United States, however, that is a different situation from the one contemplated by this question.



    Note however that the Wong Kim Ark ruling is only binding precedent regarding the meaning of the citizenship clause, and not the natural-born citizen clause, and it is possible that the Supreme Court would take a different interpretation if actually asked to rule on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. But it does give hints about what conclusions would be most supported by the case law that the Court would examine if this question were put to it.






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      The Supreme Court hasn't directly ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. However, obiter dictum in the Wong Kim Ark ruling gives us some clues. Emphasis mine.




      In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.




      And:




      II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.




      And:




      Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:



      By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.




      And much of the English common law is examined, all in support of the conclusion:




      The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."




      Thus, a similar argument can be formed regarding the natural-born citizen clause (rather than the citizenship clause), namely that:



      • In order to determine the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause, we have to look at the meanings of the words under the common law that the United States inherited from the colonial era pre-dating the constitution.

      • Under that common law, "natural-born citizen" includes all individuals born in the territory who acquired citizenship at birth, even if the parents were aliens who were merely visiting the country.

      • Therefore, the natural-born citizen clause should be read as including those born through "birth tourism".

      It has been argued that there is some wiggle room regarding the interpretation in the case of individuals born to parents who were not lawfully admitted to the United States, however, that is a different situation from the one contemplated by this question.



      Note however that the Wong Kim Ark ruling is only binding precedent regarding the meaning of the citizenship clause, and not the natural-born citizen clause, and it is possible that the Supreme Court would take a different interpretation if actually asked to rule on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. But it does give hints about what conclusions would be most supported by the case law that the Court would examine if this question were put to it.






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        The Supreme Court hasn't directly ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. However, obiter dictum in the Wong Kim Ark ruling gives us some clues. Emphasis mine.




        In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.




        And:




        II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.




        And:




        Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:



        By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.




        And much of the English common law is examined, all in support of the conclusion:




        The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."




        Thus, a similar argument can be formed regarding the natural-born citizen clause (rather than the citizenship clause), namely that:



        • In order to determine the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause, we have to look at the meanings of the words under the common law that the United States inherited from the colonial era pre-dating the constitution.

        • Under that common law, "natural-born citizen" includes all individuals born in the territory who acquired citizenship at birth, even if the parents were aliens who were merely visiting the country.

        • Therefore, the natural-born citizen clause should be read as including those born through "birth tourism".

        It has been argued that there is some wiggle room regarding the interpretation in the case of individuals born to parents who were not lawfully admitted to the United States, however, that is a different situation from the one contemplated by this question.



        Note however that the Wong Kim Ark ruling is only binding precedent regarding the meaning of the citizenship clause, and not the natural-born citizen clause, and it is possible that the Supreme Court would take a different interpretation if actually asked to rule on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. But it does give hints about what conclusions would be most supported by the case law that the Court would examine if this question were put to it.






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        The Supreme Court hasn't directly ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. However, obiter dictum in the Wong Kim Ark ruling gives us some clues. Emphasis mine.




        In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.




        And:




        II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.




        And:




        Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:



        By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.




        And much of the English common law is examined, all in support of the conclusion:




        The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."




        Thus, a similar argument can be formed regarding the natural-born citizen clause (rather than the citizenship clause), namely that:



        • In order to determine the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause, we have to look at the meanings of the words under the common law that the United States inherited from the colonial era pre-dating the constitution.

        • Under that common law, "natural-born citizen" includes all individuals born in the territory who acquired citizenship at birth, even if the parents were aliens who were merely visiting the country.

        • Therefore, the natural-born citizen clause should be read as including those born through "birth tourism".

        It has been argued that there is some wiggle room regarding the interpretation in the case of individuals born to parents who were not lawfully admitted to the United States, however, that is a different situation from the one contemplated by this question.



        Note however that the Wong Kim Ark ruling is only binding precedent regarding the meaning of the citizenship clause, and not the natural-born citizen clause, and it is possible that the Supreme Court would take a different interpretation if actually asked to rule on the meaning of the natural-born citizen clause. But it does give hints about what conclusions would be most supported by the case law that the Court would examine if this question were put to it.







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            Under the 14th amendment (emphasis mine):




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States




            Thus, such a person would meet the "natural born citizen" requirement, regardless of the parents' immigration status at the time of the birth.



            Also under the 14th amendment, if the person involved demonstrates disloyalty to the United States after having previously taken an oath to protect the Constitution. But if they remain loyal to the United States and live there for all of their lives (or at least 14 years of it), then they become eligible from the age of 35.






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            • The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            Under the 14th amendment (emphasis mine):




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States




            Thus, such a person would meet the "natural born citizen" requirement, regardless of the parents' immigration status at the time of the birth.



            Also under the 14th amendment, if the person involved demonstrates disloyalty to the United States after having previously taken an oath to protect the Constitution. But if they remain loyal to the United States and live there for all of their lives (or at least 14 years of it), then they become eligible from the age of 35.






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            • The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            Under the 14th amendment (emphasis mine):




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States




            Thus, such a person would meet the "natural born citizen" requirement, regardless of the parents' immigration status at the time of the birth.



            Also under the 14th amendment, if the person involved demonstrates disloyalty to the United States after having previously taken an oath to protect the Constitution. But if they remain loyal to the United States and live there for all of their lives (or at least 14 years of it), then they become eligible from the age of 35.






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            Under the 14th amendment (emphasis mine):




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States




            Thus, such a person would meet the "natural born citizen" requirement, regardless of the parents' immigration status at the time of the birth.



            Also under the 14th amendment, if the person involved demonstrates disloyalty to the United States after having previously taken an oath to protect the Constitution. But if they remain loyal to the United States and live there for all of their lives (or at least 14 years of it), then they become eligible from the age of 35.







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            • The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            • The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            The characterization of the disqualification is overbroad. Only certain oaths to protect the constitution count ("an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States"), and not all forms of disloyalty ("insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or giv[ing] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof").

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            Could a US citizen born through “birth tourism” become President?




            It seems the question may have been answered over 120 years ago. Chief Justice Fuller seemed to think so and he didn't much care for the possibility.



            United States v. Wong Kim Ark [p715]: FULLER, C.J., Dissenting Opinion, March 28, 1898. In comments concerning the Court's opinion, CJ Fuller was suggesting that the majority opinion concerning "natural-born citizen", by implication, meant that a child of a birth tourist (modern term) could lead to the possibility that child could become president.




            By the fifth clause of the first section of article two of the Constitution, it is provided that:




            No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.




            In the convention, it was, says Mr. Bancroft,




            objected that no number of years could properly prepare a foreigner for that place; but as men of other lands had spilled their blood in the cause of the United States, and had assisted at every stage of the formation of their institutions, on the seventh of September, it was unanimously settled that foreign-born residents of fourteen years who should be citizens at the time of the formation of the Constitution are eligible to the office of President.




            2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.



            Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.





            The Court applied English common law to reach its interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" thus limiting its scope to the children of ministers and consuls. CJ Fuller disputes that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only that; but also includes children of those temporarily visiting the United States; reasoning the parents are still loyal to and subject to the jurisdiction of their home country. Since such people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. then neither are their children who happen to be born in the U.S.



            At p728-729, CJ Fuller adds:




            The privileges or immunities which, by the second clause of the amendment, the States are forbidden to abridge are the privileges or immunities pertaining to citizenship of the United States, but that clause also places an inhibition on the States from depriving any person of life, liberty or property, and from denying "to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws," that is, of its own laws -- the laws to which its own citizens are subjected.



            The jurisdiction of the State is necessarily local, and the limitation relates to rights primarily secured by the States, and not by the United States. Jurisdiction, as applied to the General Government, embraces international relations; as applied to the State, it refers simply to its power over persons and things within its particular limits.



            These considerations lead to the conclusion that the rule in respect of citizenship of the United States prior to the Fourteenth Amendment differed from the English common law rule in vital particulars, and, among others, in that it did not recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it did recognize an essential difference between birth during temporary, and birth during permanent, residence. If children born in the United States were deemed presumptively and generally citizens, this was not so when they were born of aliens whose residence was merely temporary, either in fact or in point of law.




            CJ Fuller interpreted the Constitution and prior law in a manner consistent with my understanding as given in my original answer.




            [Original answer, minor editing.]



            Possibly Currently, but that is based on an interpretation of the Citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




            Some future Court could interpret the clause differently.



            For example, of the State wherein they reside, taken narrowly, would mean that such a child, not being a lawful resident of any state at time of birth, is not a citizen of any state and, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the United States. (That child's mother would have to have been a resident of a state.)



            That, of course, would end birth tourism.




            In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, it was the Court's interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and not the text of the 14th Amendment that allowed for "birth tourism". If a new case were to go before the Court, the Court could overturn the opinion in Wong Kim Ark (though after more than 120 years that seems unlikely).



            Alternatively, Congress could, under Amendment 14, Section 5, pass a law to define that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes: children of ministers and consuls; children of those visiting the United States on a visa; children of those who have been granted entry on a request for asylum, until such time as asylum has been granted; children of those who are unlawfully in the United States; etc.



            Those provisions would eliminate "birth tourism" and so-called "anchor babies".






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              @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

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              @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

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              The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

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              @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

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              Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

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            Could a US citizen born through “birth tourism” become President?




            It seems the question may have been answered over 120 years ago. Chief Justice Fuller seemed to think so and he didn't much care for the possibility.



            United States v. Wong Kim Ark [p715]: FULLER, C.J., Dissenting Opinion, March 28, 1898. In comments concerning the Court's opinion, CJ Fuller was suggesting that the majority opinion concerning "natural-born citizen", by implication, meant that a child of a birth tourist (modern term) could lead to the possibility that child could become president.




            By the fifth clause of the first section of article two of the Constitution, it is provided that:




            No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.




            In the convention, it was, says Mr. Bancroft,




            objected that no number of years could properly prepare a foreigner for that place; but as men of other lands had spilled their blood in the cause of the United States, and had assisted at every stage of the formation of their institutions, on the seventh of September, it was unanimously settled that foreign-born residents of fourteen years who should be citizens at the time of the formation of the Constitution are eligible to the office of President.




            2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.



            Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.





            The Court applied English common law to reach its interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" thus limiting its scope to the children of ministers and consuls. CJ Fuller disputes that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only that; but also includes children of those temporarily visiting the United States; reasoning the parents are still loyal to and subject to the jurisdiction of their home country. Since such people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. then neither are their children who happen to be born in the U.S.



            At p728-729, CJ Fuller adds:




            The privileges or immunities which, by the second clause of the amendment, the States are forbidden to abridge are the privileges or immunities pertaining to citizenship of the United States, but that clause also places an inhibition on the States from depriving any person of life, liberty or property, and from denying "to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws," that is, of its own laws -- the laws to which its own citizens are subjected.



            The jurisdiction of the State is necessarily local, and the limitation relates to rights primarily secured by the States, and not by the United States. Jurisdiction, as applied to the General Government, embraces international relations; as applied to the State, it refers simply to its power over persons and things within its particular limits.



            These considerations lead to the conclusion that the rule in respect of citizenship of the United States prior to the Fourteenth Amendment differed from the English common law rule in vital particulars, and, among others, in that it did not recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it did recognize an essential difference between birth during temporary, and birth during permanent, residence. If children born in the United States were deemed presumptively and generally citizens, this was not so when they were born of aliens whose residence was merely temporary, either in fact or in point of law.




            CJ Fuller interpreted the Constitution and prior law in a manner consistent with my understanding as given in my original answer.




            [Original answer, minor editing.]



            Possibly Currently, but that is based on an interpretation of the Citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




            Some future Court could interpret the clause differently.



            For example, of the State wherein they reside, taken narrowly, would mean that such a child, not being a lawful resident of any state at time of birth, is not a citizen of any state and, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the United States. (That child's mother would have to have been a resident of a state.)



            That, of course, would end birth tourism.




            In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, it was the Court's interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and not the text of the 14th Amendment that allowed for "birth tourism". If a new case were to go before the Court, the Court could overturn the opinion in Wong Kim Ark (though after more than 120 years that seems unlikely).



            Alternatively, Congress could, under Amendment 14, Section 5, pass a law to define that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes: children of ministers and consuls; children of those visiting the United States on a visa; children of those who have been granted entry on a request for asylum, until such time as asylum has been granted; children of those who are unlawfully in the United States; etc.



            Those provisions would eliminate "birth tourism" and so-called "anchor babies".






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              @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

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              Jul 18 at 22:36






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              @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

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              Jul 19 at 3:20






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              The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

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              @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

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              Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

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            Could a US citizen born through “birth tourism” become President?




            It seems the question may have been answered over 120 years ago. Chief Justice Fuller seemed to think so and he didn't much care for the possibility.



            United States v. Wong Kim Ark [p715]: FULLER, C.J., Dissenting Opinion, March 28, 1898. In comments concerning the Court's opinion, CJ Fuller was suggesting that the majority opinion concerning "natural-born citizen", by implication, meant that a child of a birth tourist (modern term) could lead to the possibility that child could become president.




            By the fifth clause of the first section of article two of the Constitution, it is provided that:




            No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.




            In the convention, it was, says Mr. Bancroft,




            objected that no number of years could properly prepare a foreigner for that place; but as men of other lands had spilled their blood in the cause of the United States, and had assisted at every stage of the formation of their institutions, on the seventh of September, it was unanimously settled that foreign-born residents of fourteen years who should be citizens at the time of the formation of the Constitution are eligible to the office of President.




            2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.



            Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.





            The Court applied English common law to reach its interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" thus limiting its scope to the children of ministers and consuls. CJ Fuller disputes that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only that; but also includes children of those temporarily visiting the United States; reasoning the parents are still loyal to and subject to the jurisdiction of their home country. Since such people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. then neither are their children who happen to be born in the U.S.



            At p728-729, CJ Fuller adds:




            The privileges or immunities which, by the second clause of the amendment, the States are forbidden to abridge are the privileges or immunities pertaining to citizenship of the United States, but that clause also places an inhibition on the States from depriving any person of life, liberty or property, and from denying "to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws," that is, of its own laws -- the laws to which its own citizens are subjected.



            The jurisdiction of the State is necessarily local, and the limitation relates to rights primarily secured by the States, and not by the United States. Jurisdiction, as applied to the General Government, embraces international relations; as applied to the State, it refers simply to its power over persons and things within its particular limits.



            These considerations lead to the conclusion that the rule in respect of citizenship of the United States prior to the Fourteenth Amendment differed from the English common law rule in vital particulars, and, among others, in that it did not recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it did recognize an essential difference between birth during temporary, and birth during permanent, residence. If children born in the United States were deemed presumptively and generally citizens, this was not so when they were born of aliens whose residence was merely temporary, either in fact or in point of law.




            CJ Fuller interpreted the Constitution and prior law in a manner consistent with my understanding as given in my original answer.




            [Original answer, minor editing.]



            Possibly Currently, but that is based on an interpretation of the Citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




            Some future Court could interpret the clause differently.



            For example, of the State wherein they reside, taken narrowly, would mean that such a child, not being a lawful resident of any state at time of birth, is not a citizen of any state and, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the United States. (That child's mother would have to have been a resident of a state.)



            That, of course, would end birth tourism.




            In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, it was the Court's interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and not the text of the 14th Amendment that allowed for "birth tourism". If a new case were to go before the Court, the Court could overturn the opinion in Wong Kim Ark (though after more than 120 years that seems unlikely).



            Alternatively, Congress could, under Amendment 14, Section 5, pass a law to define that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes: children of ministers and consuls; children of those visiting the United States on a visa; children of those who have been granted entry on a request for asylum, until such time as asylum has been granted; children of those who are unlawfully in the United States; etc.



            Those provisions would eliminate "birth tourism" and so-called "anchor babies".






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            Could a US citizen born through “birth tourism” become President?




            It seems the question may have been answered over 120 years ago. Chief Justice Fuller seemed to think so and he didn't much care for the possibility.



            United States v. Wong Kim Ark [p715]: FULLER, C.J., Dissenting Opinion, March 28, 1898. In comments concerning the Court's opinion, CJ Fuller was suggesting that the majority opinion concerning "natural-born citizen", by implication, meant that a child of a birth tourist (modern term) could lead to the possibility that child could become president.




            By the fifth clause of the first section of article two of the Constitution, it is provided that:




            No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.




            In the convention, it was, says Mr. Bancroft,




            objected that no number of years could properly prepare a foreigner for that place; but as men of other lands had spilled their blood in the cause of the United States, and had assisted at every stage of the formation of their institutions, on the seventh of September, it was unanimously settled that foreign-born residents of fourteen years who should be citizens at the time of the formation of the Constitution are eligible to the office of President.




            2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.



            Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.





            The Court applied English common law to reach its interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" thus limiting its scope to the children of ministers and consuls. CJ Fuller disputes that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only that; but also includes children of those temporarily visiting the United States; reasoning the parents are still loyal to and subject to the jurisdiction of their home country. Since such people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. then neither are their children who happen to be born in the U.S.



            At p728-729, CJ Fuller adds:




            The privileges or immunities which, by the second clause of the amendment, the States are forbidden to abridge are the privileges or immunities pertaining to citizenship of the United States, but that clause also places an inhibition on the States from depriving any person of life, liberty or property, and from denying "to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws," that is, of its own laws -- the laws to which its own citizens are subjected.



            The jurisdiction of the State is necessarily local, and the limitation relates to rights primarily secured by the States, and not by the United States. Jurisdiction, as applied to the General Government, embraces international relations; as applied to the State, it refers simply to its power over persons and things within its particular limits.



            These considerations lead to the conclusion that the rule in respect of citizenship of the United States prior to the Fourteenth Amendment differed from the English common law rule in vital particulars, and, among others, in that it did not recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it did recognize an essential difference between birth during temporary, and birth during permanent, residence. If children born in the United States were deemed presumptively and generally citizens, this was not so when they were born of aliens whose residence was merely temporary, either in fact or in point of law.




            CJ Fuller interpreted the Constitution and prior law in a manner consistent with my understanding as given in my original answer.




            [Original answer, minor editing.]



            Possibly Currently, but that is based on an interpretation of the Citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.




            All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




            Some future Court could interpret the clause differently.



            For example, of the State wherein they reside, taken narrowly, would mean that such a child, not being a lawful resident of any state at time of birth, is not a citizen of any state and, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the United States. (That child's mother would have to have been a resident of a state.)



            That, of course, would end birth tourism.




            In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, it was the Court's interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and not the text of the 14th Amendment that allowed for "birth tourism". If a new case were to go before the Court, the Court could overturn the opinion in Wong Kim Ark (though after more than 120 years that seems unlikely).



            Alternatively, Congress could, under Amendment 14, Section 5, pass a law to define that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes: children of ministers and consuls; children of those visiting the United States on a visa; children of those who have been granted entry on a request for asylum, until such time as asylum has been granted; children of those who are unlawfully in the United States; etc.



            Those provisions would eliminate "birth tourism" and so-called "anchor babies".







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              @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

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              @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

              – phoog
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              The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

              – Tanner Swett
              Jul 19 at 10:49






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              @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 11:50






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              Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

              – Fred Stark
              Jul 23 at 4:55












            • 1





              @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

              – Rick Smith
              Jul 18 at 22:36






            • 3





              @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 3:20






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              The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

              – Tanner Swett
              Jul 19 at 10:49






            • 3





              @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 11:50






            • 1





              Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

              – Fred Stark
              Jul 23 at 4:55







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            1





            @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

            – Rick Smith
            Jul 18 at 22:36





            @Obie2.0 - I am relying on the and. The and implies residency as a requirement.

            – Rick Smith
            Jul 18 at 22:36




            3




            3





            @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 3:20





            @RickSmith so US citizens who reside outside the US cease to be US citizens?

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 3:20




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            7





            The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

            – Tanner Swett
            Jul 19 at 10:49





            The interpretation you suggest really doesn't seem plausible, because it would imply that people born in Puerto Rico or in D.C. are not citizens, wouldn't it? Besides that, if the Constitution says "you are a citizen of X and of Y", and Y doesn't exist, I can't imagine why that would also nullify the X part.

            – Tanner Swett
            Jul 19 at 10:49




            3




            3





            @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 11:50





            @RickSmith as you're probably aware, state citizenship is essentially irrelevant in US law. US citizens need not be a citizen of any state, and being a citizen of a state is not a prerequisite to being a citizen of the United States. Consider a US citizen who resides abroad and gives birth to a US citizen in her country of residence: of which state is the child a citizen?

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 11:50




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            1





            Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

            – Fred Stark
            Jul 23 at 4:55





            Sorry to say, but that's not what comes across in your answer. It reads like it was concluded that birth tourists are not eligible. This misunderstanding might explain the downvotes

            – Fred Stark
            Jul 23 at 4:55











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            Neither the Electoral College, nor the House, nor the Senate, nor the Supreme Court has shown that it is willing to enforce the eligibility requirements for the offices of President and Vice President. On one occasion (1876) a commission settled a dispute about which slates were part of the Electoral College.



            But even when members of the Electoral College have cast twice as many votes as they were supposed to, the House and Senate did not refuse to accept the alleged votes. Instead, a Constitutional Amendment was passed to clarify how the voting would be done in subsequent elections.



            The Electoral College is an especially weak institution. It faces substantial obstacles to acting as a deliberative body. For example, in the aftermath of the 2016 election, the State of Washington sued one of its representatives in the Electoral College because he dared to exercise discretion about whom to vote for. I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job.



            On three occasions, the Electoral College has elected a person who did not satisfy a strict interpretation of the "natural born citizen" clause. Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object.






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              " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

              – alephzero
              Jul 19 at 10:21






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              "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

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            • This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

              – Captain Man
              Jul 19 at 15:50











            • @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:44











            • @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:59















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            Neither the Electoral College, nor the House, nor the Senate, nor the Supreme Court has shown that it is willing to enforce the eligibility requirements for the offices of President and Vice President. On one occasion (1876) a commission settled a dispute about which slates were part of the Electoral College.



            But even when members of the Electoral College have cast twice as many votes as they were supposed to, the House and Senate did not refuse to accept the alleged votes. Instead, a Constitutional Amendment was passed to clarify how the voting would be done in subsequent elections.



            The Electoral College is an especially weak institution. It faces substantial obstacles to acting as a deliberative body. For example, in the aftermath of the 2016 election, the State of Washington sued one of its representatives in the Electoral College because he dared to exercise discretion about whom to vote for. I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job.



            On three occasions, the Electoral College has elected a person who did not satisfy a strict interpretation of the "natural born citizen" clause. Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object.






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            • 3





              " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

              – alephzero
              Jul 19 at 10:21






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              "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 11:52












            • This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

              – Captain Man
              Jul 19 at 15:50











            • @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:44











            • @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:59













            -10














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            -10









            Neither the Electoral College, nor the House, nor the Senate, nor the Supreme Court has shown that it is willing to enforce the eligibility requirements for the offices of President and Vice President. On one occasion (1876) a commission settled a dispute about which slates were part of the Electoral College.



            But even when members of the Electoral College have cast twice as many votes as they were supposed to, the House and Senate did not refuse to accept the alleged votes. Instead, a Constitutional Amendment was passed to clarify how the voting would be done in subsequent elections.



            The Electoral College is an especially weak institution. It faces substantial obstacles to acting as a deliberative body. For example, in the aftermath of the 2016 election, the State of Washington sued one of its representatives in the Electoral College because he dared to exercise discretion about whom to vote for. I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job.



            On three occasions, the Electoral College has elected a person who did not satisfy a strict interpretation of the "natural born citizen" clause. Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object.






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            Neither the Electoral College, nor the House, nor the Senate, nor the Supreme Court has shown that it is willing to enforce the eligibility requirements for the offices of President and Vice President. On one occasion (1876) a commission settled a dispute about which slates were part of the Electoral College.



            But even when members of the Electoral College have cast twice as many votes as they were supposed to, the House and Senate did not refuse to accept the alleged votes. Instead, a Constitutional Amendment was passed to clarify how the voting would be done in subsequent elections.



            The Electoral College is an especially weak institution. It faces substantial obstacles to acting as a deliberative body. For example, in the aftermath of the 2016 election, the State of Washington sued one of its representatives in the Electoral College because he dared to exercise discretion about whom to vote for. I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job.



            On three occasions, the Electoral College has elected a person who did not satisfy a strict interpretation of the "natural born citizen" clause. Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object.







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            JasperJasper

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            • 3





              " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

              – alephzero
              Jul 19 at 10:21






            • 11





              "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 11:52












            • This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

              – Captain Man
              Jul 19 at 15:50











            • @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:44











            • @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:59












            • 3





              " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

              – alephzero
              Jul 19 at 10:21






            • 11





              "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

              – phoog
              Jul 19 at 11:52












            • This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

              – Captain Man
              Jul 19 at 15:50











            • @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:44











            • @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

              – Jasper
              Jul 19 at 16:59







            3




            3





            " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

            – alephzero
            Jul 19 at 10:21





            " I cannot think of any other Federal Office whose holders can be punished by a state for diligently doing their federal job." Have you ever looked at the news media since Trump was elected?

            – alephzero
            Jul 19 at 10:21




            11




            11





            "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 11:52






            "Neither Chester Alan Arthur's father nor Barack Obama's father was a U.S. citizen at the time of their births. Arthur was elected Vice President in 1880; Obama was elected president in 2008 and 2012. On none of these three occasions did any of the Electoral College, House, Senate, or Supreme Court object": they did not object because a child born in the US to alien parents is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely nothing in US law that suggests otherwise.

            – phoog
            Jul 19 at 11:52














            This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

            – Captain Man
            Jul 19 at 15:50





            This answer reads like a rant, but I think at it's core it may have something useful. Make the point about the "strict interpretation" more prominent (maybe first paragraph). Follow it by the (current) first paragraph. Drop the remaining as it is unrelated.

            – Captain Man
            Jul 19 at 15:50













            @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

            – Jasper
            Jul 19 at 16:44





            @CaptainMan -- The core is that there is no institution in the United States government that takes responsibility for enforcing the eligibility requirements for being elected as President or Vice President. The Electoral College's deliberative capacity has been suppressed. Neither the House nor the Senate nor the Supreme Court wants to be perceived as overturning an election.

            – Jasper
            Jul 19 at 16:44













            @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

            – Jasper
            Jul 19 at 16:59





            @alephzero -- The news has lots of articles about disputes between Federal Courts, the House of Representatives, and the Trump White House about subpoenas and various immigration-related policies. But I do not recall any examples of states punishing federal office holders (other than Electors) for diligently doing their federal jobs. Do you have any example(s)?

            – Jasper
            Jul 19 at 16:59



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