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I am studying my course on permutation representation, and I am stuck at understanding the left action of a finite group on the permutation representation $F(X,Bbb C)$. In my course it is given for $(g,phi)in Gtimes F(X,Bbb C) $ by:



$g*phi(xin X)to phi(g^-1x)$.



Is this a left group action?



I have: $h*(g*phi(x))= h*phi(g^-1x)= phi(h^-1g^-1x) = phi((gh)^-1x)= (gh)*phi(x) neq (hg)*phi(x)$.



I must be missing something.










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    I am studying my course on permutation representation, and I am stuck at understanding the left action of a finite group on the permutation representation $F(X,Bbb C)$. In my course it is given for $(g,phi)in Gtimes F(X,Bbb C) $ by:



    $g*phi(xin X)to phi(g^-1x)$.



    Is this a left group action?



    I have: $h*(g*phi(x))= h*phi(g^-1x)= phi(h^-1g^-1x) = phi((gh)^-1x)= (gh)*phi(x) neq (hg)*phi(x)$.



    I must be missing something.










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      I am studying my course on permutation representation, and I am stuck at understanding the left action of a finite group on the permutation representation $F(X,Bbb C)$. In my course it is given for $(g,phi)in Gtimes F(X,Bbb C) $ by:



      $g*phi(xin X)to phi(g^-1x)$.



      Is this a left group action?



      I have: $h*(g*phi(x))= h*phi(g^-1x)= phi(h^-1g^-1x) = phi((gh)^-1x)= (gh)*phi(x) neq (hg)*phi(x)$.



      I must be missing something.










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      I am studying my course on permutation representation, and I am stuck at understanding the left action of a finite group on the permutation representation $F(X,Bbb C)$. In my course it is given for $(g,phi)in Gtimes F(X,Bbb C) $ by:



      $g*phi(xin X)to phi(g^-1x)$.



      Is this a left group action?



      I have: $h*(g*phi(x))= h*phi(g^-1x)= phi(h^-1g^-1x) = phi((gh)^-1x)= (gh)*phi(x) neq (hg)*phi(x)$.



      I must be missing something.







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          Note that by the definition $g*phi$ is in $F(X,mathbb C)$ defined by $(g*phi)(x):= phi(g^-1x)$, so the calculation is the following:
          $$beginalign
          (h*(g*phi))(x)&= (g*phi)(h^-1x)\
          &= phi(g^-1h^-1x)\
          &= phi((hg)^-1x)\
          &= (hg*phi)(x).
          endalign$$

          Thus $h*(g*phi)= hg*phi$.






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            In addition to the accepted answer I want to point out that one can also start by substituting the inner expression. Since $(g*phi)(x) := phi(g^-1x)$, we have $g*phi = x to phi(g^-1x)$, therefore



            $$beginalign
            (h*(g*phi))(x)
            &= (h*(ttophi(g^-1t)))(x)\
            &= (ttophi(g^-1t))(h^-1x)\
            &= phi(g^-1(h^-1x))\
            &= (hg*phi)(x).
            endalign$$






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              $begingroup$

              Note that by the definition $g*phi$ is in $F(X,mathbb C)$ defined by $(g*phi)(x):= phi(g^-1x)$, so the calculation is the following:
              $$beginalign
              (h*(g*phi))(x)&= (g*phi)(h^-1x)\
              &= phi(g^-1h^-1x)\
              &= phi((hg)^-1x)\
              &= (hg*phi)(x).
              endalign$$

              Thus $h*(g*phi)= hg*phi$.






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                $begingroup$

                Note that by the definition $g*phi$ is in $F(X,mathbb C)$ defined by $(g*phi)(x):= phi(g^-1x)$, so the calculation is the following:
                $$beginalign
                (h*(g*phi))(x)&= (g*phi)(h^-1x)\
                &= phi(g^-1h^-1x)\
                &= phi((hg)^-1x)\
                &= (hg*phi)(x).
                endalign$$

                Thus $h*(g*phi)= hg*phi$.






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                  $begingroup$

                  Note that by the definition $g*phi$ is in $F(X,mathbb C)$ defined by $(g*phi)(x):= phi(g^-1x)$, so the calculation is the following:
                  $$beginalign
                  (h*(g*phi))(x)&= (g*phi)(h^-1x)\
                  &= phi(g^-1h^-1x)\
                  &= phi((hg)^-1x)\
                  &= (hg*phi)(x).
                  endalign$$

                  Thus $h*(g*phi)= hg*phi$.






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                  Note that by the definition $g*phi$ is in $F(X,mathbb C)$ defined by $(g*phi)(x):= phi(g^-1x)$, so the calculation is the following:
                  $$beginalign
                  (h*(g*phi))(x)&= (g*phi)(h^-1x)\
                  &= phi(g^-1h^-1x)\
                  &= phi((hg)^-1x)\
                  &= (hg*phi)(x).
                  endalign$$

                  Thus $h*(g*phi)= hg*phi$.







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                      In addition to the accepted answer I want to point out that one can also start by substituting the inner expression. Since $(g*phi)(x) := phi(g^-1x)$, we have $g*phi = x to phi(g^-1x)$, therefore



                      $$beginalign
                      (h*(g*phi))(x)
                      &= (h*(ttophi(g^-1t)))(x)\
                      &= (ttophi(g^-1t))(h^-1x)\
                      &= phi(g^-1(h^-1x))\
                      &= (hg*phi)(x).
                      endalign$$






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                        $begingroup$

                        In addition to the accepted answer I want to point out that one can also start by substituting the inner expression. Since $(g*phi)(x) := phi(g^-1x)$, we have $g*phi = x to phi(g^-1x)$, therefore



                        $$beginalign
                        (h*(g*phi))(x)
                        &= (h*(ttophi(g^-1t)))(x)\
                        &= (ttophi(g^-1t))(h^-1x)\
                        &= phi(g^-1(h^-1x))\
                        &= (hg*phi)(x).
                        endalign$$






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                          In addition to the accepted answer I want to point out that one can also start by substituting the inner expression. Since $(g*phi)(x) := phi(g^-1x)$, we have $g*phi = x to phi(g^-1x)$, therefore



                          $$beginalign
                          (h*(g*phi))(x)
                          &= (h*(ttophi(g^-1t)))(x)\
                          &= (ttophi(g^-1t))(h^-1x)\
                          &= phi(g^-1(h^-1x))\
                          &= (hg*phi)(x).
                          endalign$$






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                          In addition to the accepted answer I want to point out that one can also start by substituting the inner expression. Since $(g*phi)(x) := phi(g^-1x)$, we have $g*phi = x to phi(g^-1x)$, therefore



                          $$beginalign
                          (h*(g*phi))(x)
                          &= (h*(ttophi(g^-1t)))(x)\
                          &= (ttophi(g^-1t))(h^-1x)\
                          &= phi(g^-1(h^-1x))\
                          &= (hg*phi)(x).
                          endalign$$







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