Contradiction proof for inequality of P and NP?Problem with my proof that NP = coNP?Contradiction between best-case running time of insertion sort and $nlog n$ lower bound?Logarithmic Randomness is Necessary for PCP TheoremTrouble seeing the contradiction in diagonalization proofWhat is wrong with this conditional proof of P=NP?Is it always possible to have one part of the reduction?If everyone believes P ≠ NP, why is everyone sceptical of proof attempts for P ≠ NP?Finding a complexity by solving inequality
Negative feedbacks and "Language smoother"
Sum in bash outside while read line
C4_4 Reflection!
UK PM is taking his proposal to EU but has not proposed to his own parliament - can he legally bypass the UK parliament?
Using "sed" to append to end of a file
Can Slack really claim not to be a data controller?
Why are KDFs slow? Is using a KDF more secure than using the original secret?
How to remind myself to lock my doors
Fantasy novel/series with young man who discovers he can use magic that is outlawed
Get first and last day of the week in Ampscript
Print the sequence
Shortest way to get an EOF Error
Why does 1.1.1.1 not resolve archive.is?
Slow coworker receiving compliments while I receive complaints
Did Feynman cite a fallacy about only circles having the same width in all directions as a reason for the Challenger disaster?
Does the Wall of Stone spell need support or not?
How should I tell a professor the answer to something he doesn't know?
Future of iTunes and audio files in its library
Can you take Bowwow out after returning him to MeowMeow?
What are the consequences for downstream actors of redistributing a work under a wider CC license than the copyright holder authorized?
Why is lying to Congress a crime?
Why is coffee provided during big chess events when it contains a banned substance?
How to deal with intolerable behavior of a subordinate?
How does paying extra on my mortgage affect my amortization schedule?
Contradiction proof for inequality of P and NP?
Problem with my proof that NP = coNP?Contradiction between best-case running time of insertion sort and $nlog n$ lower bound?Logarithmic Randomness is Necessary for PCP TheoremTrouble seeing the contradiction in diagonalization proofWhat is wrong with this conditional proof of P=NP?Is it always possible to have one part of the reduction?If everyone believes P ≠ NP, why is everyone sceptical of proof attempts for P ≠ NP?Finding a complexity by solving inequality
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty
margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
I'm trying to argue that N is not equal NP using hierarchy theorems. This is my argument, but when I showed it to our teacher and after deduction, he said that this is problematic where I can't find a compelling reason to accept.
We start off by assuming that $P=NP$. Then it yields that $mathitSAT in P$ which itself then follows that $mathitSAT in TIME(n^k)$. As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $mathitSAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$. On the contrary, the time hierarchy theorem states that there should be a language $A in TIME(n^k+1)$, that's not in $TIME(n^k)$. This would lead us to conclude that $A$ is in $P$, while not in $NP$, which is a contradiction to our first assumption. So, we came to the conclusion that $P neq NP$.
Is there something wrong with my proof?
complexity-theory time-complexity p-vs-np
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
I'm trying to argue that N is not equal NP using hierarchy theorems. This is my argument, but when I showed it to our teacher and after deduction, he said that this is problematic where I can't find a compelling reason to accept.
We start off by assuming that $P=NP$. Then it yields that $mathitSAT in P$ which itself then follows that $mathitSAT in TIME(n^k)$. As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $mathitSAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$. On the contrary, the time hierarchy theorem states that there should be a language $A in TIME(n^k+1)$, that's not in $TIME(n^k)$. This would lead us to conclude that $A$ is in $P$, while not in $NP$, which is a contradiction to our first assumption. So, we came to the conclusion that $P neq NP$.
Is there something wrong with my proof?
complexity-theory time-complexity p-vs-np
$endgroup$
2
$begingroup$
Please, write something like$mathitSAT$
instead of$SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Better yet, use thecomplexity
package and simply writeSAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
1
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
I'm trying to argue that N is not equal NP using hierarchy theorems. This is my argument, but when I showed it to our teacher and after deduction, he said that this is problematic where I can't find a compelling reason to accept.
We start off by assuming that $P=NP$. Then it yields that $mathitSAT in P$ which itself then follows that $mathitSAT in TIME(n^k)$. As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $mathitSAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$. On the contrary, the time hierarchy theorem states that there should be a language $A in TIME(n^k+1)$, that's not in $TIME(n^k)$. This would lead us to conclude that $A$ is in $P$, while not in $NP$, which is a contradiction to our first assumption. So, we came to the conclusion that $P neq NP$.
Is there something wrong with my proof?
complexity-theory time-complexity p-vs-np
$endgroup$
I'm trying to argue that N is not equal NP using hierarchy theorems. This is my argument, but when I showed it to our teacher and after deduction, he said that this is problematic where I can't find a compelling reason to accept.
We start off by assuming that $P=NP$. Then it yields that $mathitSAT in P$ which itself then follows that $mathitSAT in TIME(n^k)$. As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $mathitSAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$. On the contrary, the time hierarchy theorem states that there should be a language $A in TIME(n^k+1)$, that's not in $TIME(n^k)$. This would lead us to conclude that $A$ is in $P$, while not in $NP$, which is a contradiction to our first assumption. So, we came to the conclusion that $P neq NP$.
Is there something wrong with my proof?
complexity-theory time-complexity p-vs-np
complexity-theory time-complexity p-vs-np
edited Apr 26 at 7:29
Discrete lizard♦
5,3471 gold badge16 silver badges42 bronze badges
5,3471 gold badge16 silver badges42 bronze badges
asked Apr 25 at 4:12
inverted_indexinverted_index
1911 silver badge7 bronze badges
1911 silver badge7 bronze badges
2
$begingroup$
Please, write something like$mathitSAT$
instead of$SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Better yet, use thecomplexity
package and simply writeSAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
1
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38
add a comment
|
2
$begingroup$
Please, write something like$mathitSAT$
instead of$SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Better yet, use thecomplexity
package and simply writeSAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
1
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38
2
2
$begingroup$
Please, write something like
$mathitSAT$
instead of $SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Please, write something like
$mathitSAT$
instead of $SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Better yet, use the
complexity
package and simply write SAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
Better yet, use the
complexity
package and simply write SAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
1
1
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38
add a comment
|
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Then it yields that $SAT in P$ which itself then follows that $SAT in TIME(n^k)$.
Sure.
As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $SAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$.
No. Polynomial time reductions aren't free. We can say it takes $O(n^r(L))$ time to reduce language $L$ to $SAT$, where $r(L)$ is the exponent in the polynomial time reduction used. This is where your argument falls apart. There is no finite $k$ such that for all $L in NP$ we have $r(L) < k$. At least this does not follow from $P = NP$ and would be a much stronger statement.
And this stronger statement does indeed conflict with the time hierarchy theorem, which tells us that $P$ can not collapse into $TIME(n^k)$, let alone all of $NP$.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose that $mathrm3SATinmathrmNTIME[n^k]$. By the nondeterministic version of the time hierarchy theorem, for any $r$, there is a problem $X_rinmathrmNTIME[n^r]$ that is not in $mathrmNTIME[n^r-1]$. This is an unconditional result that doesn't depend on any kind of assumption such as $mathrmPneqmathrmNP$
Choose any $r>k$. Suppose we have a deterministic reduction from $X_r$ to $mathrm3SAT$ that runs in time $n^t$. It produces a $mathrm3SAT$ instance of size at most $n^t$, which can be solved in time at most $(n^t)^k=n^tk$. By our choice of $X_r$, we must have $tk>r-1$, so $t>(r+1)/k$. This function grows without bound with $r$.
This means that there is no bound on how long it can take to reduce an arbitrary $mathrmNP$ problem to $mathrm3SAT$. Even if $mathrm3SATin mathrmP$, there's still no bound on how long those reductions can take. So, in particular, even if $mathrm3SATinmathrmDTIME[n^k']$ for some $k'$, we can't conclude that $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k']$, or even $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k'']$ for some $k''>k'$.
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "419"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"u003ecc by-sa 4.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fcs.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f108496%2fcontradiction-proof-for-inequality-of-p-and-np%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Then it yields that $SAT in P$ which itself then follows that $SAT in TIME(n^k)$.
Sure.
As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $SAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$.
No. Polynomial time reductions aren't free. We can say it takes $O(n^r(L))$ time to reduce language $L$ to $SAT$, where $r(L)$ is the exponent in the polynomial time reduction used. This is where your argument falls apart. There is no finite $k$ such that for all $L in NP$ we have $r(L) < k$. At least this does not follow from $P = NP$ and would be a much stronger statement.
And this stronger statement does indeed conflict with the time hierarchy theorem, which tells us that $P$ can not collapse into $TIME(n^k)$, let alone all of $NP$.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Then it yields that $SAT in P$ which itself then follows that $SAT in TIME(n^k)$.
Sure.
As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $SAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$.
No. Polynomial time reductions aren't free. We can say it takes $O(n^r(L))$ time to reduce language $L$ to $SAT$, where $r(L)$ is the exponent in the polynomial time reduction used. This is where your argument falls apart. There is no finite $k$ such that for all $L in NP$ we have $r(L) < k$. At least this does not follow from $P = NP$ and would be a much stronger statement.
And this stronger statement does indeed conflict with the time hierarchy theorem, which tells us that $P$ can not collapse into $TIME(n^k)$, let alone all of $NP$.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Then it yields that $SAT in P$ which itself then follows that $SAT in TIME(n^k)$.
Sure.
As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $SAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$.
No. Polynomial time reductions aren't free. We can say it takes $O(n^r(L))$ time to reduce language $L$ to $SAT$, where $r(L)$ is the exponent in the polynomial time reduction used. This is where your argument falls apart. There is no finite $k$ such that for all $L in NP$ we have $r(L) < k$. At least this does not follow from $P = NP$ and would be a much stronger statement.
And this stronger statement does indeed conflict with the time hierarchy theorem, which tells us that $P$ can not collapse into $TIME(n^k)$, let alone all of $NP$.
$endgroup$
Then it yields that $SAT in P$ which itself then follows that $SAT in TIME(n^k)$.
Sure.
As stands, we are able to do reduce every language in $NP$ to $SAT$. Therefore, $NP subseteq TIME(n^k)$.
No. Polynomial time reductions aren't free. We can say it takes $O(n^r(L))$ time to reduce language $L$ to $SAT$, where $r(L)$ is the exponent in the polynomial time reduction used. This is where your argument falls apart. There is no finite $k$ such that for all $L in NP$ we have $r(L) < k$. At least this does not follow from $P = NP$ and would be a much stronger statement.
And this stronger statement does indeed conflict with the time hierarchy theorem, which tells us that $P$ can not collapse into $TIME(n^k)$, let alone all of $NP$.
edited Apr 25 at 5:49
answered Apr 25 at 4:38
orlporlp
7,3361 gold badge11 silver badges28 bronze badges
7,3361 gold badge11 silver badges28 bronze badges
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
add a comment
|
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
1
1
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
It's not only the time for the reduction itself. You could reduce to a make larger problem. If I can solve X in O (n^5), and I can reduce a problem in Y in O (n^6) to a O(n^3) sized instance of X, then I need O (n^15) in total.
$endgroup$
– gnasher729
Apr 27 at 11:21
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
$begingroup$
Amusingly, this argument applies to PTIME-complete problems as well, e.g. HORNSAT, which is solvable in linear time (but not all problems in P are linear time).
$endgroup$
– cody
Apr 30 at 19:40
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose that $mathrm3SATinmathrmNTIME[n^k]$. By the nondeterministic version of the time hierarchy theorem, for any $r$, there is a problem $X_rinmathrmNTIME[n^r]$ that is not in $mathrmNTIME[n^r-1]$. This is an unconditional result that doesn't depend on any kind of assumption such as $mathrmPneqmathrmNP$
Choose any $r>k$. Suppose we have a deterministic reduction from $X_r$ to $mathrm3SAT$ that runs in time $n^t$. It produces a $mathrm3SAT$ instance of size at most $n^t$, which can be solved in time at most $(n^t)^k=n^tk$. By our choice of $X_r$, we must have $tk>r-1$, so $t>(r+1)/k$. This function grows without bound with $r$.
This means that there is no bound on how long it can take to reduce an arbitrary $mathrmNP$ problem to $mathrm3SAT$. Even if $mathrm3SATin mathrmP$, there's still no bound on how long those reductions can take. So, in particular, even if $mathrm3SATinmathrmDTIME[n^k']$ for some $k'$, we can't conclude that $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k']$, or even $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k'']$ for some $k''>k'$.
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose that $mathrm3SATinmathrmNTIME[n^k]$. By the nondeterministic version of the time hierarchy theorem, for any $r$, there is a problem $X_rinmathrmNTIME[n^r]$ that is not in $mathrmNTIME[n^r-1]$. This is an unconditional result that doesn't depend on any kind of assumption such as $mathrmPneqmathrmNP$
Choose any $r>k$. Suppose we have a deterministic reduction from $X_r$ to $mathrm3SAT$ that runs in time $n^t$. It produces a $mathrm3SAT$ instance of size at most $n^t$, which can be solved in time at most $(n^t)^k=n^tk$. By our choice of $X_r$, we must have $tk>r-1$, so $t>(r+1)/k$. This function grows without bound with $r$.
This means that there is no bound on how long it can take to reduce an arbitrary $mathrmNP$ problem to $mathrm3SAT$. Even if $mathrm3SATin mathrmP$, there's still no bound on how long those reductions can take. So, in particular, even if $mathrm3SATinmathrmDTIME[n^k']$ for some $k'$, we can't conclude that $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k']$, or even $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k'']$ for some $k''>k'$.
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose that $mathrm3SATinmathrmNTIME[n^k]$. By the nondeterministic version of the time hierarchy theorem, for any $r$, there is a problem $X_rinmathrmNTIME[n^r]$ that is not in $mathrmNTIME[n^r-1]$. This is an unconditional result that doesn't depend on any kind of assumption such as $mathrmPneqmathrmNP$
Choose any $r>k$. Suppose we have a deterministic reduction from $X_r$ to $mathrm3SAT$ that runs in time $n^t$. It produces a $mathrm3SAT$ instance of size at most $n^t$, which can be solved in time at most $(n^t)^k=n^tk$. By our choice of $X_r$, we must have $tk>r-1$, so $t>(r+1)/k$. This function grows without bound with $r$.
This means that there is no bound on how long it can take to reduce an arbitrary $mathrmNP$ problem to $mathrm3SAT$. Even if $mathrm3SATin mathrmP$, there's still no bound on how long those reductions can take. So, in particular, even if $mathrm3SATinmathrmDTIME[n^k']$ for some $k'$, we can't conclude that $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k']$, or even $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k'']$ for some $k''>k'$.
$endgroup$
Suppose that $mathrm3SATinmathrmNTIME[n^k]$. By the nondeterministic version of the time hierarchy theorem, for any $r$, there is a problem $X_rinmathrmNTIME[n^r]$ that is not in $mathrmNTIME[n^r-1]$. This is an unconditional result that doesn't depend on any kind of assumption such as $mathrmPneqmathrmNP$
Choose any $r>k$. Suppose we have a deterministic reduction from $X_r$ to $mathrm3SAT$ that runs in time $n^t$. It produces a $mathrm3SAT$ instance of size at most $n^t$, which can be solved in time at most $(n^t)^k=n^tk$. By our choice of $X_r$, we must have $tk>r-1$, so $t>(r+1)/k$. This function grows without bound with $r$.
This means that there is no bound on how long it can take to reduce an arbitrary $mathrmNP$ problem to $mathrm3SAT$. Even if $mathrm3SATin mathrmP$, there's still no bound on how long those reductions can take. So, in particular, even if $mathrm3SATinmathrmDTIME[n^k']$ for some $k'$, we can't conclude that $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k']$, or even $mathrmNPsubseteqmathrmDTIME[n^k'']$ for some $k''>k'$.
answered Apr 25 at 14:58
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
75.4k17 gold badges117 silver badges209 bronze badges
75.4k17 gold badges117 silver badges209 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
Thanks for contributing an answer to Computer Science Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fcs.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f108496%2fcontradiction-proof-for-inequality-of-p-and-np%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
$begingroup$
Please, write something like
$mathitSAT$
instead of$SAT$
. As Leslie Lamport wrote in his original LaTeX book, the latter stands for S times A times T.$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:31
$begingroup$
Better yet, use the
complexity
package and simply writeSAT
. (I guess that's not available on this stack, though.)$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 25 at 22:39
$begingroup$
@Oliphaunt Why not suggest an edit when you can improve the post? Although I must say that here the difference (if any) is a lot more subtle than I'd expect.
$endgroup$
– Discrete lizard♦
Apr 26 at 7:29
1
$begingroup$
@Discretelizard I often do, but it was "too much work" this time (i was / am on mobile). Entering all those $ and is finicky work. I chose to educate instead. (This decision may not have been entirely rational.)
$endgroup$
– Oliphaunt
Apr 26 at 11:38