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What chord could the notes 'F A♭ E♭' form?


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Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".



Here is the progression so you can get this in context.




E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭











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    Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".



    Here is the progression so you can get this in context.




    E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭











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      Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".



      Here is the progression so you can get this in context.




      E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭











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      Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".



      Here is the progression so you can get this in context.




      E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭








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          It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).



          The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.



          One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):



          Which notes are optional in jazz chords?






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            The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.



            Simplified explanation:



            The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.






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            • Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

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            • You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

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            The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).



            But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.



            Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.






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              Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.

              [Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]






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                How could he use F when he has a Ab?

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              I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!






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                One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.



                That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.



                Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.






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                  It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).



                  The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.



                  One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):



                  Which notes are optional in jazz chords?






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                    It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).



                    The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.



                    One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):



                    Which notes are optional in jazz chords?






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                      It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).



                      The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.



                      One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):



                      Which notes are optional in jazz chords?






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                      It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).



                      The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.



                      One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):



                      Which notes are optional in jazz chords?







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                          The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.



                          Simplified explanation:



                          The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.






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                          • Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                            – armani
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                          • You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                            – phroureo
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                          The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.



                          Simplified explanation:



                          The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.






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                          • Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                            – armani
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                          • You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                            – phroureo
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                          The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.



                          Simplified explanation:



                          The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.






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                          The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.



                          Simplified explanation:



                          The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.







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                          • Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                            – armani
                            May 6 at 10:35












                          • You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                            – phroureo
                            May 6 at 18:14

















                          • Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                            – armani
                            May 6 at 10:35












                          • You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                            – phroureo
                            May 6 at 18:14
















                          Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                          – armani
                          May 6 at 10:35






                          Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.

                          – armani
                          May 6 at 10:35














                          You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                          – phroureo
                          May 6 at 18:14





                          You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).

                          – phroureo
                          May 6 at 18:14











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                          The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).



                          But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.



                          Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.






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                            The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).



                            But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.



                            Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.






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                              The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).



                              But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.



                              Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.






                              share|improve this answer














                              The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).



                              But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.



                              Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.







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                                  Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.

                                  [Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]






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                                    How could he use F when he has a Ab?

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                                  Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.

                                  [Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]






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                                  Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.

                                  [Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]






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                                  Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.

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                                  I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!






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                                    I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!






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                                      I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!






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                                      I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!







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                                          One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.



                                          That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.



                                          Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.






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                                            One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.



                                            That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.



                                            Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.






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                                              One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.



                                              That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.



                                              Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.






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                                              One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.



                                              That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.



                                              Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.







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