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Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".
Here is the progression so you can get this in context.
E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭
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Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".
Here is the progression so you can get this in context.
E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭
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Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".
Here is the progression so you can get this in context.
E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭
theory chords harmony chord-theory chord-progressions
Can someone please help me understand this chord progression that actually takes the listener from E♭ to B♭. There is a chord at the end of the phrase and I can't understand what chord it comes from. The notes are (F A♭ E♭). Let's call this chord "X".
Here is the progression so you can get this in context.
E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, X, B♭
theory chords harmony chord-theory chord-progressions
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It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).
The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.
One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):
Which notes are optional in jazz chords?
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The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.
Simplified explanation:
The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.
Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
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The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).
But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.
Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.
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Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.
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I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!
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One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.
That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.
Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.
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It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).
The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.
One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):
Which notes are optional in jazz chords?
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It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).
The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.
One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):
Which notes are optional in jazz chords?
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It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).
The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.
One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):
Which notes are optional in jazz chords?
It's common to omit some notes when forming a chord (for various reasons; depends on the instrument and the composer).
The aforementioned chord is a Fm7 (no5), which means that you play the notes that form the Fm7 chord (F A♭ C E♭), but you omit the 5th (C), thus getting Fm7 (no 5) or the notes F A♭ E♭.
One of the most common chord notes you're going to omit is the 5th. There is a great thread about this here (it's about omitting notes in jazz, but still it's worth a read):
Which notes are optional in jazz chords?
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The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.
Simplified explanation:
The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.
Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
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The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.
Simplified explanation:
The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.
Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
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The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.
Simplified explanation:
The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.
The X chord could be an Fm7 and that would perfectly fit in the E♭ scale with the other chords in the progression you mentioned.
Simplified explanation:
The diatonic triads in E♭ scale are: E♭ Fm Gm A♭ B♭ Cm Ddim.
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Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
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Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
Thanks, Is there anything else it could be that would give a stronger resolution to Bb? Fm7 sounds fine but I just want other options to hear what else it could be. The music book I have says the chord is a Bb7sus4b9 chord which seems a bit over-the-top since I doubt the composer was thinking of it like that.
– armani
May 6 at 10:35
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
You're not going to find a much stronger resolution than the v7 to i. (In addition, in my experience, you're not going to find a better match for those three notes).
– phroureo
May 6 at 18:14
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The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).
But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.
Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.
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The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).
But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.
Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.
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The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).
But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.
Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.
The other answers are 100% correct: with a motion to E♭ major, the expected diatonic chord here is Fm7 with an omitted fifth (C).
But for the sake of completeness, you could also turn this into an F half-diminished seventh chord, or Fm7♭5. Doing so would mean that this omitted fifth would need to be a C♭. But notice that, since there's no C♭ in the key signature of E♭ (the starting point of this phrase), this is an example of what we call mode mixture. We say that this chord (and the C♭ itself) are borrowed from E♭ minor, the parallel key of E♭ major.
Perhaps also of interest: viewing this chord as a half-diminished seventh makes it enharmonic to the Tristan chord.
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Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.
[Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]
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Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.
[Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]
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How could he use F when he has a Ab?
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Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.
[Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]
Two alternate progressions: E♭ -> B♭ (Just do it!). In a march, it is normal to go from tonic in the first section to sub-dominant in the Trio section; why not do the reverse? Second alternative, E♭ -> F -> B♭. These keys sit next to each other in the circle of fifths; the transitions are easy on the ear.
[Personal experience- 40 years on keyboard, arranging, etc.]
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I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!
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I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!
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I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!
I agree with the other answers that it's probably an Fmin7 chord. One thing I'd like to point out is that, in the context you gave, this gives the chord progression E♭, E♭, B♭, E♭, Cdim, Fmin7, B♭. The last three chords plus another E♭ wrapping around to the beginning of the progression are Cdim, Fmin7, B♭, E♭ - which is walking along the circle of fifths before resolving to E♭. This is a very common chord progression. So the interpretation of the chord as Fmin7 is especially likely to be correct!
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One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.
That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.
Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.
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One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.
That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.
Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.
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One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.
That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.
Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.
One possible voicing/inversion of of F A♭ E♭ gives rise to a B♭11 with an omitted root and 3rd.
That is to say, F is the fifth, A♭ is the minor 7th, E♭ is the 11th.
Cdim, B11, B♭ is plausible.
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