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How to maximize area of a square inscribed in a equilateral triangle?
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We have an equilateral triangle and want to inscribe a square, but want to do so in the way that maximizes the area of the square.
I sketched two possible ways, not to scale and not perfect. Note I am not sure if the second way will really have all square corners touching the triangle sides.
The second case appears to have bigger side-lengths of the square, so bigger area. But I do not know how to determine the angles involved. How to solve this?
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We have an equilateral triangle and want to inscribe a square, but want to do so in the way that maximizes the area of the square.
I sketched two possible ways, not to scale and not perfect. Note I am not sure if the second way will really have all square corners touching the triangle sides.
The second case appears to have bigger side-lengths of the square, so bigger area. But I do not know how to determine the angles involved. How to solve this?
geometry euclidean-geometry triangles area
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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We have an equilateral triangle and want to inscribe a square, but want to do so in the way that maximizes the area of the square.
I sketched two possible ways, not to scale and not perfect. Note I am not sure if the second way will really have all square corners touching the triangle sides.
The second case appears to have bigger side-lengths of the square, so bigger area. But I do not know how to determine the angles involved. How to solve this?
geometry euclidean-geometry triangles area
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We have an equilateral triangle and want to inscribe a square, but want to do so in the way that maximizes the area of the square.
I sketched two possible ways, not to scale and not perfect. Note I am not sure if the second way will really have all square corners touching the triangle sides.
The second case appears to have bigger side-lengths of the square, so bigger area. But I do not know how to determine the angles involved. How to solve this?
geometry euclidean-geometry triangles area
geometry euclidean-geometry triangles area
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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– Parcly Taxel
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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– Jack M
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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– Jack M
Aug 13 at 11:22
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 11:24
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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– dmtri
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 2:53
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 2:53
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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– virolino
Aug 13 at 11:04
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 11:24
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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– dmtri
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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Let $a_1$ and $a_2$ be the side lengths of the two squares. To determine which one is larger, we simply look at their ratio below.
With the angles in the diagram,
$$d_1=frac12tan 30a_1=fracsqrt32a_1$$
$$d_2=fracsin 15sin 30a_2=frac12cos 15a_2$$
Assume both equilateral triangles have unit height.
$$1=a_1+d_1=left(1+fracsqrt32right)a_1=frac12(2+sqrt3)a_1$$
$$1=sqrt2a_2+d_2=left(sqrt2+frac12cos 15right)a_2=frac12(sqrt2+sqrt6)a_2$$
So, their ratio is
$$fraca_1a_2= fracsqrt2+sqrt62+sqrt3 =left(frac8+4sqrt37+4sqrt3right)^frac12 > 1$$
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The second configuration (square has edge contact with triangle) indeed has a bigger inscribed square. If the square has unit sides, the triangle's side is $1+frac2sqrt3$:
The symmetric first configuration may be resolved as follows. Set the unit square's bottom corner as $(0,0)$, so that the top corner is $(0,sqrt2)$. Let the side length of the triangle be $r$. Then we have, by similar triangles,
$$frac(sqrt3/2)r-sqrt2/2sqrt2/2=sqrt3$$
$$r=(1+sqrt3)sqrtfrac23=2.230dots$$
and this is greater than $1+frac2sqrt3=2.154dots$, so the first configuration has a smaller inscribed square than the second.
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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– dmtri
Aug 18 at 9:51
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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Let sides-lengths of the equilateral triangle be equal to $1$.
Let $x$ be sides-lengths of the square in the first configuration.
Thus, by law of sines we obtain:
$$fracxsin60^circ=fracfrac12sin75^circ$$ or
$$fracxfracsqrt32=fracfrac12frac1+sqrt32sqrt2$$ or
$$x=fracsqrt3sqrt2(1+sqrt3)$$ and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$frac32(4+2sqrt3)=frac34(2-sqrt3).$$
Let $y$ be sides-lengths of the square in the second configuration.
Thus, by similarity we obtain:
$$fracy1=fracfracsqrt32-yfracsqrt32$$ or
$$y=sqrt3(2-sqrt3)$$
and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$3(7-4sqrt3),$$ which is a bit of greater.
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Let $a_1$ and $a_2$ be the side lengths of the two squares. To determine which one is larger, we simply look at their ratio below.
With the angles in the diagram,
$$d_1=frac12tan 30a_1=fracsqrt32a_1$$
$$d_2=fracsin 15sin 30a_2=frac12cos 15a_2$$
Assume both equilateral triangles have unit height.
$$1=a_1+d_1=left(1+fracsqrt32right)a_1=frac12(2+sqrt3)a_1$$
$$1=sqrt2a_2+d_2=left(sqrt2+frac12cos 15right)a_2=frac12(sqrt2+sqrt6)a_2$$
So, their ratio is
$$fraca_1a_2= fracsqrt2+sqrt62+sqrt3 =left(frac8+4sqrt37+4sqrt3right)^frac12 > 1$$
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Let $a_1$ and $a_2$ be the side lengths of the two squares. To determine which one is larger, we simply look at their ratio below.
With the angles in the diagram,
$$d_1=frac12tan 30a_1=fracsqrt32a_1$$
$$d_2=fracsin 15sin 30a_2=frac12cos 15a_2$$
Assume both equilateral triangles have unit height.
$$1=a_1+d_1=left(1+fracsqrt32right)a_1=frac12(2+sqrt3)a_1$$
$$1=sqrt2a_2+d_2=left(sqrt2+frac12cos 15right)a_2=frac12(sqrt2+sqrt6)a_2$$
So, their ratio is
$$fraca_1a_2= fracsqrt2+sqrt62+sqrt3 =left(frac8+4sqrt37+4sqrt3right)^frac12 > 1$$
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Let $a_1$ and $a_2$ be the side lengths of the two squares. To determine which one is larger, we simply look at their ratio below.
With the angles in the diagram,
$$d_1=frac12tan 30a_1=fracsqrt32a_1$$
$$d_2=fracsin 15sin 30a_2=frac12cos 15a_2$$
Assume both equilateral triangles have unit height.
$$1=a_1+d_1=left(1+fracsqrt32right)a_1=frac12(2+sqrt3)a_1$$
$$1=sqrt2a_2+d_2=left(sqrt2+frac12cos 15right)a_2=frac12(sqrt2+sqrt6)a_2$$
So, their ratio is
$$fraca_1a_2= fracsqrt2+sqrt62+sqrt3 =left(frac8+4sqrt37+4sqrt3right)^frac12 > 1$$
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Let $a_1$ and $a_2$ be the side lengths of the two squares. To determine which one is larger, we simply look at their ratio below.
With the angles in the diagram,
$$d_1=frac12tan 30a_1=fracsqrt32a_1$$
$$d_2=fracsin 15sin 30a_2=frac12cos 15a_2$$
Assume both equilateral triangles have unit height.
$$1=a_1+d_1=left(1+fracsqrt32right)a_1=frac12(2+sqrt3)a_1$$
$$1=sqrt2a_2+d_2=left(sqrt2+frac12cos 15right)a_2=frac12(sqrt2+sqrt6)a_2$$
So, their ratio is
$$fraca_1a_2= fracsqrt2+sqrt62+sqrt3 =left(frac8+4sqrt37+4sqrt3right)^frac12 > 1$$
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The second configuration (square has edge contact with triangle) indeed has a bigger inscribed square. If the square has unit sides, the triangle's side is $1+frac2sqrt3$:
The symmetric first configuration may be resolved as follows. Set the unit square's bottom corner as $(0,0)$, so that the top corner is $(0,sqrt2)$. Let the side length of the triangle be $r$. Then we have, by similar triangles,
$$frac(sqrt3/2)r-sqrt2/2sqrt2/2=sqrt3$$
$$r=(1+sqrt3)sqrtfrac23=2.230dots$$
and this is greater than $1+frac2sqrt3=2.154dots$, so the first configuration has a smaller inscribed square than the second.
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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– dmtri
Aug 18 at 9:51
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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Aug 18 at 9:52
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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The second configuration (square has edge contact with triangle) indeed has a bigger inscribed square. If the square has unit sides, the triangle's side is $1+frac2sqrt3$:
The symmetric first configuration may be resolved as follows. Set the unit square's bottom corner as $(0,0)$, so that the top corner is $(0,sqrt2)$. Let the side length of the triangle be $r$. Then we have, by similar triangles,
$$frac(sqrt3/2)r-sqrt2/2sqrt2/2=sqrt3$$
$$r=(1+sqrt3)sqrtfrac23=2.230dots$$
and this is greater than $1+frac2sqrt3=2.154dots$, so the first configuration has a smaller inscribed square than the second.
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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– dmtri
Aug 18 at 9:51
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 18 at 9:52
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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– dmtri
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The second configuration (square has edge contact with triangle) indeed has a bigger inscribed square. If the square has unit sides, the triangle's side is $1+frac2sqrt3$:
The symmetric first configuration may be resolved as follows. Set the unit square's bottom corner as $(0,0)$, so that the top corner is $(0,sqrt2)$. Let the side length of the triangle be $r$. Then we have, by similar triangles,
$$frac(sqrt3/2)r-sqrt2/2sqrt2/2=sqrt3$$
$$r=(1+sqrt3)sqrtfrac23=2.230dots$$
and this is greater than $1+frac2sqrt3=2.154dots$, so the first configuration has a smaller inscribed square than the second.
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The second configuration (square has edge contact with triangle) indeed has a bigger inscribed square. If the square has unit sides, the triangle's side is $1+frac2sqrt3$:
The symmetric first configuration may be resolved as follows. Set the unit square's bottom corner as $(0,0)$, so that the top corner is $(0,sqrt2)$. Let the side length of the triangle be $r$. Then we have, by similar triangles,
$$frac(sqrt3/2)r-sqrt2/2sqrt2/2=sqrt3$$
$$r=(1+sqrt3)sqrtfrac23=2.230dots$$
and this is greater than $1+frac2sqrt3=2.154dots$, so the first configuration has a smaller inscribed square than the second.
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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Maybe, you mean the second, in your the sentence before last?
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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@dmtri I got my words right there, checking again.
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– Parcly Taxel
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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– dmtri
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Sorry , you are right , you are talking about the sides of the triangle not the square....
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Let sides-lengths of the equilateral triangle be equal to $1$.
Let $x$ be sides-lengths of the square in the first configuration.
Thus, by law of sines we obtain:
$$fracxsin60^circ=fracfrac12sin75^circ$$ or
$$fracxfracsqrt32=fracfrac12frac1+sqrt32sqrt2$$ or
$$x=fracsqrt3sqrt2(1+sqrt3)$$ and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$frac32(4+2sqrt3)=frac34(2-sqrt3).$$
Let $y$ be sides-lengths of the square in the second configuration.
Thus, by similarity we obtain:
$$fracy1=fracfracsqrt32-yfracsqrt32$$ or
$$y=sqrt3(2-sqrt3)$$
and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$3(7-4sqrt3),$$ which is a bit of greater.
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Let sides-lengths of the equilateral triangle be equal to $1$.
Let $x$ be sides-lengths of the square in the first configuration.
Thus, by law of sines we obtain:
$$fracxsin60^circ=fracfrac12sin75^circ$$ or
$$fracxfracsqrt32=fracfrac12frac1+sqrt32sqrt2$$ or
$$x=fracsqrt3sqrt2(1+sqrt3)$$ and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$frac32(4+2sqrt3)=frac34(2-sqrt3).$$
Let $y$ be sides-lengths of the square in the second configuration.
Thus, by similarity we obtain:
$$fracy1=fracfracsqrt32-yfracsqrt32$$ or
$$y=sqrt3(2-sqrt3)$$
and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$3(7-4sqrt3),$$ which is a bit of greater.
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$begingroup$
Let sides-lengths of the equilateral triangle be equal to $1$.
Let $x$ be sides-lengths of the square in the first configuration.
Thus, by law of sines we obtain:
$$fracxsin60^circ=fracfrac12sin75^circ$$ or
$$fracxfracsqrt32=fracfrac12frac1+sqrt32sqrt2$$ or
$$x=fracsqrt3sqrt2(1+sqrt3)$$ and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$frac32(4+2sqrt3)=frac34(2-sqrt3).$$
Let $y$ be sides-lengths of the square in the second configuration.
Thus, by similarity we obtain:
$$fracy1=fracfracsqrt32-yfracsqrt32$$ or
$$y=sqrt3(2-sqrt3)$$
and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$3(7-4sqrt3),$$ which is a bit of greater.
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Let sides-lengths of the equilateral triangle be equal to $1$.
Let $x$ be sides-lengths of the square in the first configuration.
Thus, by law of sines we obtain:
$$fracxsin60^circ=fracfrac12sin75^circ$$ or
$$fracxfracsqrt32=fracfrac12frac1+sqrt32sqrt2$$ or
$$x=fracsqrt3sqrt2(1+sqrt3)$$ and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$frac32(4+2sqrt3)=frac34(2-sqrt3).$$
Let $y$ be sides-lengths of the square in the second configuration.
Thus, by similarity we obtain:
$$fracy1=fracfracsqrt32-yfracsqrt32$$ or
$$y=sqrt3(2-sqrt3)$$
and for the area of the square we obtain:
$$3(7-4sqrt3),$$ which is a bit of greater.
answered Aug 13 at 3:45
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@TobyMak This isn't a duplicate, since OP is asking which of two specific configurations is better.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 2:53
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How do you define "inscribed"? In your first sketch, one corner of the square is actually floating, not touching the triangle. I think it is safe to assume that there is only one way to inscribe a square in an equilateral triangle, and it is when one side of the square lays exactly on one side of the triangle (as in your second sketch). As a result, the problem of maximization is a non-problem.
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– virolino
Aug 13 at 11:04
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@ParclyTaxel Are they? Because that's not the question asked in the title.
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– Jack M
Aug 13 at 11:22
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@JackM It is in the consideration of the title problem that the real question has been asked.
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– Parcly Taxel
Aug 13 at 11:24
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A very nice problem indeed! Do you consider the first case to be symmetric also, like the answer below? Or just in general, with just 3 of the tips of a square, touching the triangle and the fourth just somewhere inside the area of the triangle?
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– dmtri
Aug 18 at 9:43