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What are Zombie Channels?
How are Lightning network, duplex channels, and micropayment channels related?Lightning network: Are decrementing timelocks used in bi-directional channels?Duplex micropayment channels: criticisms of Lightning and implementationWhat are Channel Factories and how do they work?What criteria should be taken into account when selecting nodes to create new lightning channels with?Why did my lightning node not route payments after I have funded 5 payment channels?Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have?Dealing with inactive channelsLightning network: which update messages are replayed?
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In the Lightning Network, what is the definition of a zombie channel?
Can they clearly be identified or is it more of a undefined term that is used for channels that are assumed to be obsolete?
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I am not aware of a clear definition for the term zombie channels. At least I don't recall the term being used in the lightning rfc. Also I didn't hear lightning devs in conversations to talk about them. Thus I think the semantics are more along your suggestion that they refer to channels which are for some reason obsolete / inactive / unusable. Disclaimet: just because I never saw the term doesn't mean it has no definition
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Most of the articles that I have read refer to channels/nodes that haven't sent channel_update or node_announcement message for a long time (often weeks) as zombies. They say, a node who wants to route a lightning payment cannot rely on a path containing these nodes (hence zombies).
But that is a fuzzy notion since nodes will not send these update messages if the user hasn't updated any information about the node/channel. That would be unsolicited and spam.
I think that is the very reason this term does not appear in any formal documentations/specs like BOLTs and as a result lack a formal definition.
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I am not aware of a clear definition for the term zombie channels. At least I don't recall the term being used in the lightning rfc. Also I didn't hear lightning devs in conversations to talk about them. Thus I think the semantics are more along your suggestion that they refer to channels which are for some reason obsolete / inactive / unusable. Disclaimet: just because I never saw the term doesn't mean it has no definition
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I am not aware of a clear definition for the term zombie channels. At least I don't recall the term being used in the lightning rfc. Also I didn't hear lightning devs in conversations to talk about them. Thus I think the semantics are more along your suggestion that they refer to channels which are for some reason obsolete / inactive / unusable. Disclaimet: just because I never saw the term doesn't mean it has no definition
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I am not aware of a clear definition for the term zombie channels. At least I don't recall the term being used in the lightning rfc. Also I didn't hear lightning devs in conversations to talk about them. Thus I think the semantics are more along your suggestion that they refer to channels which are for some reason obsolete / inactive / unusable. Disclaimet: just because I never saw the term doesn't mean it has no definition
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I am not aware of a clear definition for the term zombie channels. At least I don't recall the term being used in the lightning rfc. Also I didn't hear lightning devs in conversations to talk about them. Thus I think the semantics are more along your suggestion that they refer to channels which are for some reason obsolete / inactive / unusable. Disclaimet: just because I never saw the term doesn't mean it has no definition
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Most of the articles that I have read refer to channels/nodes that haven't sent channel_update or node_announcement message for a long time (often weeks) as zombies. They say, a node who wants to route a lightning payment cannot rely on a path containing these nodes (hence zombies).
But that is a fuzzy notion since nodes will not send these update messages if the user hasn't updated any information about the node/channel. That would be unsolicited and spam.
I think that is the very reason this term does not appear in any formal documentations/specs like BOLTs and as a result lack a formal definition.
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Most of the articles that I have read refer to channels/nodes that haven't sent channel_update or node_announcement message for a long time (often weeks) as zombies. They say, a node who wants to route a lightning payment cannot rely on a path containing these nodes (hence zombies).
But that is a fuzzy notion since nodes will not send these update messages if the user hasn't updated any information about the node/channel. That would be unsolicited and spam.
I think that is the very reason this term does not appear in any formal documentations/specs like BOLTs and as a result lack a formal definition.
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Most of the articles that I have read refer to channels/nodes that haven't sent channel_update or node_announcement message for a long time (often weeks) as zombies. They say, a node who wants to route a lightning payment cannot rely on a path containing these nodes (hence zombies).
But that is a fuzzy notion since nodes will not send these update messages if the user hasn't updated any information about the node/channel. That would be unsolicited and spam.
I think that is the very reason this term does not appear in any formal documentations/specs like BOLTs and as a result lack a formal definition.
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Most of the articles that I have read refer to channels/nodes that haven't sent channel_update or node_announcement message for a long time (often weeks) as zombies. They say, a node who wants to route a lightning payment cannot rely on a path containing these nodes (hence zombies).
But that is a fuzzy notion since nodes will not send these update messages if the user hasn't updated any information about the node/channel. That would be unsolicited and spam.
I think that is the very reason this term does not appear in any formal documentations/specs like BOLTs and as a result lack a formal definition.
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