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I read today about the Anti-Censorship Activists in New York (Warning! NSFW pictures inside link) who protested against Facebook while being totally nude out in the street.
I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA.
How come they were not arrested or at least warned by police? Is there some exception to the law?
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I read today about the Anti-Censorship Activists in New York (Warning! NSFW pictures inside link) who protested against Facebook while being totally nude out in the street.
I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA.
How come they were not arrested or at least warned by police? Is there some exception to the law?
united-states protest
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Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
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There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
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@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
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@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
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Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12
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I read today about the Anti-Censorship Activists in New York (Warning! NSFW pictures inside link) who protested against Facebook while being totally nude out in the street.
I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA.
How come they were not arrested or at least warned by police? Is there some exception to the law?
united-states protest
I read today about the Anti-Censorship Activists in New York (Warning! NSFW pictures inside link) who protested against Facebook while being totally nude out in the street.
I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA.
How come they were not arrested or at least warned by police? Is there some exception to the law?
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Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
5
There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
4
@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
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@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
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Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12
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Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
5
There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
4
@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
8
@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
3
Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12
33
33
Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
5
5
There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
4
4
@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
8
8
@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
3
3
Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12
Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12
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Public nudity is illegal in New York as it is in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. And, if the police had arrested the nude protesters, the arrests probably would have been upheld in court, because a ban on nudity in public would probably be viewed as a time, place and manner restriction on the freedom of speech which is constitutionally valid.
For example, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld San Francisco’s public nudity ordinance in Taub v. City and County of San Francisco (2017). As the court in that case explains in a factually very similar case:
Public nudity is not inherently expressive, but it may in some
circumstances constitute expressive conduct protected under the First
Amendment. City of Erie v. Pap’s A.M., 529 U.S. 277, 289 (2000)
(O’Connor, J.) (plurality opinion). Even if Plaintiffs’ public nudity
at political rallies was entitled to First Amendment protection,
however, we hold that the challenged ordinance is a valid, content
neutral regulation as applied to Plaintiffs’ expressive conduct under
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968). O’Brien is the applicable test here because the ordinance is aimed at “the conduct
itself, rather than at the message conveyed by that conduct.” United
States v. Swisher, 811 F.3d 299, 312 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc).
But, while a court would have made that distinction, the public, which is used to the idea that protesters shouldn't be arrested for protesting, might not.
However, under U.S. law, the police are never required to enforce any law. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
In this case, the NYPD probably just decided that the benefit that the city could have secured by enforcing this law wasn't worth it, in terms of costs
to the city, making the city safer, and the public image of the NYPD.
For example, the city would have had to pay to book and incarcerate the protestors in crowded and expensive jails, and then fight expensive legal battles in petty misdemeanor court prosecutions to defend the anti-nudity law, an issue that isn't a priority for the city's scarce resources at the moment. There is always a risk that any mass arrest could turn a peaceful gathering into a dangerous riot. And, those anti-nudity laws are on the books primarily do deal with drunks and flashers, not anti-censorship protestors. A loss in court in one of these cases (as unlikely as it might be) would undermine the ability of the NYPD to enforce the anti-nudity law in the kind of cases it was actually intended to address, in which a first amendment challenge would almost surely not succeed.
Arresting a bunch of naked people wouldn't be fun and would look bad in on the nightly news, and getting naked protestors off the street wouldn't make NYC a safer place. So, they chose not to enforce a law that they could have enforced if they had decided to do so.
Warning the protestors that they were violating the law would also not have served the NYPD's purpose. If they gave a warning and then didn't follow up when the warning was ignored, that would undermine the NYPD's credibility in future protests. And, even a warning could cause fear to spread throughout the crowd increasing the risk of a peaceful protest turning into a dangerous riot.
Training materials for law enforcement officers reflect these concerns (see internal pages 55-56 in the linked materials):
Mass arrests during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., New York City
and other major locales have been criticized. In some cases, the
protest activity, while unlawful, was not necessarily violent.
Complaints included that law-abiding protestors and passersby were
rounded up and detained along with violators in overly broad sweeps.
The negative impact of these media images damages the public
perception of the police operation, as it draws into question the
reasonableness and proportionality of the police response. Subsequent
litigation has proven to be particularly costly. In most instances
only a tiny number of those arrested actually appear in court and most
of those are charged with offenses that would not normally attract an
arrest or detention (Temple 2003). Law enforcement agencies need to
ensure that operational commanders have a clear and uniform
understanding of the mass-arrest policy to be followed.
Litigation has included criticism of understaffed prisoner processing
operations that, when overwhelmed, led to inordinate detention without
charge. This occurred at the Republican National Convention in 2004
and led to court instructions and fines for inordinate delay in
processing detained persons (New York Times 2004).
Research into recent mass-arrest operations shows that arrests are
easily accomplished. The areas where problems arise with sudden, but
now predictable, regularity are
The quality of evidence available to pursue prosecution against each individual;
The logistics of transporting and handling large numbers of prisoners;
Allowing legal and medical access;
An inordinate delay in arranging for release or bringing persons to court;
Not enough police on duty to cope with the above—process centers are frequently overwhelmed at an early stage due to lack of resources; and
In some cases, the courts have ruled that top police officials can be held personally liable for damages or actions.
Mass arrests are generally advisable only when all alternative tactics
have either been tried unsuccessfully or are unlikely to be effective
under specific circumstances. When mass-arrest tactics are used,
evidence against each individual prisoner must be available to support
the charges.
Arrest tactics training is a critical component of mission success.
The training must address the spectrum of event types: non-violent
protest, non-violent civil disobedience, passive resistance (including
the use of chains, sleeves and other devices to impede arrest) and
violent confrontation. Training must recognize the difference between
two arrest scenarios:
Arrest tactics where police are in control of the environment and have time to plan and implement the arrests or dispersal in a
controlled manner, (e.g., at a sit-down protest); and
Arrest tactics where police do not control the environment (e.g., when police are trying to re-establish control of the environment by
arresting violent demonstrators).
Pressure point techniques, in conjunction with empty hand control,
efficient handcuffing, and arrestee escort methods should be included
to remove protesters humanely while minimizing risk of injury to
protestors and police. Such tactics should be part of ongoing and
regular refresher training to ensure officers maintain efficiency.
Tactical commanders present at many of the demonstration events
reviewed by PERF agreed that unless the actions of certain protestors
necessitate their removal, the better course of action is not to
expend resources on arrests. For example, in instances where sleeping
dragons are situated so as to disrupt traffic, it may be less of a
drain on already-thin operational resources to simply monitor them and
reroute traffic. Moreover, protest organizers have on occasion
scheduled “officer intensive” diversions just before they undertake
more violent or destructive actions elsewhere, calculating that the
police would be too busy handling the mass arrest to respond to
further actions.
Pretty much anyone with common sense knows that it isn't smart to disturb a sleeping dragon in the middle of an intersection in New York City. Trying to try to arrest a dragon is very hard and dragons can afford to pay good lawyers with their treasure hordes. But, police also have to consider more difficult choices like the choices presented by this nude protest.
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In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
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@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
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@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
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This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
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@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
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Any anti-nudity law is subordinate to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The action clearly constitutes political expression, which is protected. Not every imaginable action can be excused if done in the name of political expression, so enforcement would involve a "strict scrutiny" analysis. That is, when a fundamental right is involved, a law has to further a "compelling governmental interest," it must be "narrowly tailored" to achieve that interest, and it must be the "least restrictive means" of achieving the purpose. The law says
A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed
or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate
parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast
which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to
the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or
performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
A political demonstration can be considered a kind of exhibition, and should be so construed when strictly scrutinized.
Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
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Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
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It appears that the protesters were not actually nude. The article linked in the question states that they were covered "with stickers of photographed male nipples, to highlight the rigid — and anachronistic — gender inequality in existing nudity policies".
The stickers are evident in the "NSFW" photos also mentioned in the question, which I suppose makes them less NSFW .
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While I think all of the answers thus far are good, they miss a critical point. The law doesn't ban nudity, it bans indecent exposure. In New York State females have a right to be topless in public as men do which makes "indecent exposure" effectively "genital exposure". Skipping deep philosophical discussion on how covered you can be and still be considered naked, the females in the pictures are arguably naked, but no genitals are exposed (at least in the given picture) which means they have not committed indecent exposure and there is no cause for arrest.
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Laws against public nudity, usually termed "indecent exposure", are not federal laws in the US. They are either sate laws, or in many cases, local laws (city, county, or other local jurisdiction). Therefore what is prohibited under such laws, and where they apply, vary significantly.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, courts have ruled that arrests for exposure of the female breast are not constitutional when males may go shirtless on Equal Protection grounds, or on the grounds that the particular instance was expressive conduct, and was protected by the First Amendment. I believe that the law linked in the answer by user6726 is one that has been modified by a court ruling.Thhis law.se question discussed that issue in some detail.
Note that even protected speech (and expressive conduct) is subject to regulation of "time, place, and manner", provided that such regulations do not unduly burden expression, and are content-neutral. There is a lot of case law on what regulations are and are not constitutional, far more than can be summarized in a single answer here. If police had arrested the nude protesters described in the question, the state might have defended the arrest as a regulation of the "manner" of expression.
Note also that what actions are, and what are not "expressive conduct" is subject to review in such cases. US Courts often ask what is the "particularized message" conveyed by specific conduct, and how does that conduct convey that message. In some cases courts have ruled that conduct which is asserted to be "expressive" is not so. (For example, wearing a hood as part of a Klu Klux Klan uniform has been held not to be expressive conduct.)
Thus, if the protesters had been prosecuted, it is not clear how the courts would have treated a claim that their conduct was protected expression. The NY authorities choose not to enforce the law on the books in this case, no doubt knowing that a potentially complex case would result. They have wide discretion on when to enforce the law, and when not to.
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Public nudity is illegal in New York as it is in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. And, if the police had arrested the nude protesters, the arrests probably would have been upheld in court, because a ban on nudity in public would probably be viewed as a time, place and manner restriction on the freedom of speech which is constitutionally valid.
For example, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld San Francisco’s public nudity ordinance in Taub v. City and County of San Francisco (2017). As the court in that case explains in a factually very similar case:
Public nudity is not inherently expressive, but it may in some
circumstances constitute expressive conduct protected under the First
Amendment. City of Erie v. Pap’s A.M., 529 U.S. 277, 289 (2000)
(O’Connor, J.) (plurality opinion). Even if Plaintiffs’ public nudity
at political rallies was entitled to First Amendment protection,
however, we hold that the challenged ordinance is a valid, content
neutral regulation as applied to Plaintiffs’ expressive conduct under
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968). O’Brien is the applicable test here because the ordinance is aimed at “the conduct
itself, rather than at the message conveyed by that conduct.” United
States v. Swisher, 811 F.3d 299, 312 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc).
But, while a court would have made that distinction, the public, which is used to the idea that protesters shouldn't be arrested for protesting, might not.
However, under U.S. law, the police are never required to enforce any law. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
In this case, the NYPD probably just decided that the benefit that the city could have secured by enforcing this law wasn't worth it, in terms of costs
to the city, making the city safer, and the public image of the NYPD.
For example, the city would have had to pay to book and incarcerate the protestors in crowded and expensive jails, and then fight expensive legal battles in petty misdemeanor court prosecutions to defend the anti-nudity law, an issue that isn't a priority for the city's scarce resources at the moment. There is always a risk that any mass arrest could turn a peaceful gathering into a dangerous riot. And, those anti-nudity laws are on the books primarily do deal with drunks and flashers, not anti-censorship protestors. A loss in court in one of these cases (as unlikely as it might be) would undermine the ability of the NYPD to enforce the anti-nudity law in the kind of cases it was actually intended to address, in which a first amendment challenge would almost surely not succeed.
Arresting a bunch of naked people wouldn't be fun and would look bad in on the nightly news, and getting naked protestors off the street wouldn't make NYC a safer place. So, they chose not to enforce a law that they could have enforced if they had decided to do so.
Warning the protestors that they were violating the law would also not have served the NYPD's purpose. If they gave a warning and then didn't follow up when the warning was ignored, that would undermine the NYPD's credibility in future protests. And, even a warning could cause fear to spread throughout the crowd increasing the risk of a peaceful protest turning into a dangerous riot.
Training materials for law enforcement officers reflect these concerns (see internal pages 55-56 in the linked materials):
Mass arrests during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., New York City
and other major locales have been criticized. In some cases, the
protest activity, while unlawful, was not necessarily violent.
Complaints included that law-abiding protestors and passersby were
rounded up and detained along with violators in overly broad sweeps.
The negative impact of these media images damages the public
perception of the police operation, as it draws into question the
reasonableness and proportionality of the police response. Subsequent
litigation has proven to be particularly costly. In most instances
only a tiny number of those arrested actually appear in court and most
of those are charged with offenses that would not normally attract an
arrest or detention (Temple 2003). Law enforcement agencies need to
ensure that operational commanders have a clear and uniform
understanding of the mass-arrest policy to be followed.
Litigation has included criticism of understaffed prisoner processing
operations that, when overwhelmed, led to inordinate detention without
charge. This occurred at the Republican National Convention in 2004
and led to court instructions and fines for inordinate delay in
processing detained persons (New York Times 2004).
Research into recent mass-arrest operations shows that arrests are
easily accomplished. The areas where problems arise with sudden, but
now predictable, regularity are
The quality of evidence available to pursue prosecution against each individual;
The logistics of transporting and handling large numbers of prisoners;
Allowing legal and medical access;
An inordinate delay in arranging for release or bringing persons to court;
Not enough police on duty to cope with the above—process centers are frequently overwhelmed at an early stage due to lack of resources; and
In some cases, the courts have ruled that top police officials can be held personally liable for damages or actions.
Mass arrests are generally advisable only when all alternative tactics
have either been tried unsuccessfully or are unlikely to be effective
under specific circumstances. When mass-arrest tactics are used,
evidence against each individual prisoner must be available to support
the charges.
Arrest tactics training is a critical component of mission success.
The training must address the spectrum of event types: non-violent
protest, non-violent civil disobedience, passive resistance (including
the use of chains, sleeves and other devices to impede arrest) and
violent confrontation. Training must recognize the difference between
two arrest scenarios:
Arrest tactics where police are in control of the environment and have time to plan and implement the arrests or dispersal in a
controlled manner, (e.g., at a sit-down protest); and
Arrest tactics where police do not control the environment (e.g., when police are trying to re-establish control of the environment by
arresting violent demonstrators).
Pressure point techniques, in conjunction with empty hand control,
efficient handcuffing, and arrestee escort methods should be included
to remove protesters humanely while minimizing risk of injury to
protestors and police. Such tactics should be part of ongoing and
regular refresher training to ensure officers maintain efficiency.
Tactical commanders present at many of the demonstration events
reviewed by PERF agreed that unless the actions of certain protestors
necessitate their removal, the better course of action is not to
expend resources on arrests. For example, in instances where sleeping
dragons are situated so as to disrupt traffic, it may be less of a
drain on already-thin operational resources to simply monitor them and
reroute traffic. Moreover, protest organizers have on occasion
scheduled “officer intensive” diversions just before they undertake
more violent or destructive actions elsewhere, calculating that the
police would be too busy handling the mass arrest to respond to
further actions.
Pretty much anyone with common sense knows that it isn't smart to disturb a sleeping dragon in the middle of an intersection in New York City. Trying to try to arrest a dragon is very hard and dragons can afford to pay good lawyers with their treasure hordes. But, police also have to consider more difficult choices like the choices presented by this nude protest.
18
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
14
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
3
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
4
This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
4
@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
|
show 10 more comments
Public nudity is illegal in New York as it is in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. And, if the police had arrested the nude protesters, the arrests probably would have been upheld in court, because a ban on nudity in public would probably be viewed as a time, place and manner restriction on the freedom of speech which is constitutionally valid.
For example, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld San Francisco’s public nudity ordinance in Taub v. City and County of San Francisco (2017). As the court in that case explains in a factually very similar case:
Public nudity is not inherently expressive, but it may in some
circumstances constitute expressive conduct protected under the First
Amendment. City of Erie v. Pap’s A.M., 529 U.S. 277, 289 (2000)
(O’Connor, J.) (plurality opinion). Even if Plaintiffs’ public nudity
at political rallies was entitled to First Amendment protection,
however, we hold that the challenged ordinance is a valid, content
neutral regulation as applied to Plaintiffs’ expressive conduct under
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968). O’Brien is the applicable test here because the ordinance is aimed at “the conduct
itself, rather than at the message conveyed by that conduct.” United
States v. Swisher, 811 F.3d 299, 312 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc).
But, while a court would have made that distinction, the public, which is used to the idea that protesters shouldn't be arrested for protesting, might not.
However, under U.S. law, the police are never required to enforce any law. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
In this case, the NYPD probably just decided that the benefit that the city could have secured by enforcing this law wasn't worth it, in terms of costs
to the city, making the city safer, and the public image of the NYPD.
For example, the city would have had to pay to book and incarcerate the protestors in crowded and expensive jails, and then fight expensive legal battles in petty misdemeanor court prosecutions to defend the anti-nudity law, an issue that isn't a priority for the city's scarce resources at the moment. There is always a risk that any mass arrest could turn a peaceful gathering into a dangerous riot. And, those anti-nudity laws are on the books primarily do deal with drunks and flashers, not anti-censorship protestors. A loss in court in one of these cases (as unlikely as it might be) would undermine the ability of the NYPD to enforce the anti-nudity law in the kind of cases it was actually intended to address, in which a first amendment challenge would almost surely not succeed.
Arresting a bunch of naked people wouldn't be fun and would look bad in on the nightly news, and getting naked protestors off the street wouldn't make NYC a safer place. So, they chose not to enforce a law that they could have enforced if they had decided to do so.
Warning the protestors that they were violating the law would also not have served the NYPD's purpose. If they gave a warning and then didn't follow up when the warning was ignored, that would undermine the NYPD's credibility in future protests. And, even a warning could cause fear to spread throughout the crowd increasing the risk of a peaceful protest turning into a dangerous riot.
Training materials for law enforcement officers reflect these concerns (see internal pages 55-56 in the linked materials):
Mass arrests during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., New York City
and other major locales have been criticized. In some cases, the
protest activity, while unlawful, was not necessarily violent.
Complaints included that law-abiding protestors and passersby were
rounded up and detained along with violators in overly broad sweeps.
The negative impact of these media images damages the public
perception of the police operation, as it draws into question the
reasonableness and proportionality of the police response. Subsequent
litigation has proven to be particularly costly. In most instances
only a tiny number of those arrested actually appear in court and most
of those are charged with offenses that would not normally attract an
arrest or detention (Temple 2003). Law enforcement agencies need to
ensure that operational commanders have a clear and uniform
understanding of the mass-arrest policy to be followed.
Litigation has included criticism of understaffed prisoner processing
operations that, when overwhelmed, led to inordinate detention without
charge. This occurred at the Republican National Convention in 2004
and led to court instructions and fines for inordinate delay in
processing detained persons (New York Times 2004).
Research into recent mass-arrest operations shows that arrests are
easily accomplished. The areas where problems arise with sudden, but
now predictable, regularity are
The quality of evidence available to pursue prosecution against each individual;
The logistics of transporting and handling large numbers of prisoners;
Allowing legal and medical access;
An inordinate delay in arranging for release or bringing persons to court;
Not enough police on duty to cope with the above—process centers are frequently overwhelmed at an early stage due to lack of resources; and
In some cases, the courts have ruled that top police officials can be held personally liable for damages or actions.
Mass arrests are generally advisable only when all alternative tactics
have either been tried unsuccessfully or are unlikely to be effective
under specific circumstances. When mass-arrest tactics are used,
evidence against each individual prisoner must be available to support
the charges.
Arrest tactics training is a critical component of mission success.
The training must address the spectrum of event types: non-violent
protest, non-violent civil disobedience, passive resistance (including
the use of chains, sleeves and other devices to impede arrest) and
violent confrontation. Training must recognize the difference between
two arrest scenarios:
Arrest tactics where police are in control of the environment and have time to plan and implement the arrests or dispersal in a
controlled manner, (e.g., at a sit-down protest); and
Arrest tactics where police do not control the environment (e.g., when police are trying to re-establish control of the environment by
arresting violent demonstrators).
Pressure point techniques, in conjunction with empty hand control,
efficient handcuffing, and arrestee escort methods should be included
to remove protesters humanely while minimizing risk of injury to
protestors and police. Such tactics should be part of ongoing and
regular refresher training to ensure officers maintain efficiency.
Tactical commanders present at many of the demonstration events
reviewed by PERF agreed that unless the actions of certain protestors
necessitate their removal, the better course of action is not to
expend resources on arrests. For example, in instances where sleeping
dragons are situated so as to disrupt traffic, it may be less of a
drain on already-thin operational resources to simply monitor them and
reroute traffic. Moreover, protest organizers have on occasion
scheduled “officer intensive” diversions just before they undertake
more violent or destructive actions elsewhere, calculating that the
police would be too busy handling the mass arrest to respond to
further actions.
Pretty much anyone with common sense knows that it isn't smart to disturb a sleeping dragon in the middle of an intersection in New York City. Trying to try to arrest a dragon is very hard and dragons can afford to pay good lawyers with their treasure hordes. But, police also have to consider more difficult choices like the choices presented by this nude protest.
18
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
14
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
3
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
4
This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
4
@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
|
show 10 more comments
Public nudity is illegal in New York as it is in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. And, if the police had arrested the nude protesters, the arrests probably would have been upheld in court, because a ban on nudity in public would probably be viewed as a time, place and manner restriction on the freedom of speech which is constitutionally valid.
For example, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld San Francisco’s public nudity ordinance in Taub v. City and County of San Francisco (2017). As the court in that case explains in a factually very similar case:
Public nudity is not inherently expressive, but it may in some
circumstances constitute expressive conduct protected under the First
Amendment. City of Erie v. Pap’s A.M., 529 U.S. 277, 289 (2000)
(O’Connor, J.) (plurality opinion). Even if Plaintiffs’ public nudity
at political rallies was entitled to First Amendment protection,
however, we hold that the challenged ordinance is a valid, content
neutral regulation as applied to Plaintiffs’ expressive conduct under
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968). O’Brien is the applicable test here because the ordinance is aimed at “the conduct
itself, rather than at the message conveyed by that conduct.” United
States v. Swisher, 811 F.3d 299, 312 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc).
But, while a court would have made that distinction, the public, which is used to the idea that protesters shouldn't be arrested for protesting, might not.
However, under U.S. law, the police are never required to enforce any law. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
In this case, the NYPD probably just decided that the benefit that the city could have secured by enforcing this law wasn't worth it, in terms of costs
to the city, making the city safer, and the public image of the NYPD.
For example, the city would have had to pay to book and incarcerate the protestors in crowded and expensive jails, and then fight expensive legal battles in petty misdemeanor court prosecutions to defend the anti-nudity law, an issue that isn't a priority for the city's scarce resources at the moment. There is always a risk that any mass arrest could turn a peaceful gathering into a dangerous riot. And, those anti-nudity laws are on the books primarily do deal with drunks and flashers, not anti-censorship protestors. A loss in court in one of these cases (as unlikely as it might be) would undermine the ability of the NYPD to enforce the anti-nudity law in the kind of cases it was actually intended to address, in which a first amendment challenge would almost surely not succeed.
Arresting a bunch of naked people wouldn't be fun and would look bad in on the nightly news, and getting naked protestors off the street wouldn't make NYC a safer place. So, they chose not to enforce a law that they could have enforced if they had decided to do so.
Warning the protestors that they were violating the law would also not have served the NYPD's purpose. If they gave a warning and then didn't follow up when the warning was ignored, that would undermine the NYPD's credibility in future protests. And, even a warning could cause fear to spread throughout the crowd increasing the risk of a peaceful protest turning into a dangerous riot.
Training materials for law enforcement officers reflect these concerns (see internal pages 55-56 in the linked materials):
Mass arrests during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., New York City
and other major locales have been criticized. In some cases, the
protest activity, while unlawful, was not necessarily violent.
Complaints included that law-abiding protestors and passersby were
rounded up and detained along with violators in overly broad sweeps.
The negative impact of these media images damages the public
perception of the police operation, as it draws into question the
reasonableness and proportionality of the police response. Subsequent
litigation has proven to be particularly costly. In most instances
only a tiny number of those arrested actually appear in court and most
of those are charged with offenses that would not normally attract an
arrest or detention (Temple 2003). Law enforcement agencies need to
ensure that operational commanders have a clear and uniform
understanding of the mass-arrest policy to be followed.
Litigation has included criticism of understaffed prisoner processing
operations that, when overwhelmed, led to inordinate detention without
charge. This occurred at the Republican National Convention in 2004
and led to court instructions and fines for inordinate delay in
processing detained persons (New York Times 2004).
Research into recent mass-arrest operations shows that arrests are
easily accomplished. The areas where problems arise with sudden, but
now predictable, regularity are
The quality of evidence available to pursue prosecution against each individual;
The logistics of transporting and handling large numbers of prisoners;
Allowing legal and medical access;
An inordinate delay in arranging for release or bringing persons to court;
Not enough police on duty to cope with the above—process centers are frequently overwhelmed at an early stage due to lack of resources; and
In some cases, the courts have ruled that top police officials can be held personally liable for damages or actions.
Mass arrests are generally advisable only when all alternative tactics
have either been tried unsuccessfully or are unlikely to be effective
under specific circumstances. When mass-arrest tactics are used,
evidence against each individual prisoner must be available to support
the charges.
Arrest tactics training is a critical component of mission success.
The training must address the spectrum of event types: non-violent
protest, non-violent civil disobedience, passive resistance (including
the use of chains, sleeves and other devices to impede arrest) and
violent confrontation. Training must recognize the difference between
two arrest scenarios:
Arrest tactics where police are in control of the environment and have time to plan and implement the arrests or dispersal in a
controlled manner, (e.g., at a sit-down protest); and
Arrest tactics where police do not control the environment (e.g., when police are trying to re-establish control of the environment by
arresting violent demonstrators).
Pressure point techniques, in conjunction with empty hand control,
efficient handcuffing, and arrestee escort methods should be included
to remove protesters humanely while minimizing risk of injury to
protestors and police. Such tactics should be part of ongoing and
regular refresher training to ensure officers maintain efficiency.
Tactical commanders present at many of the demonstration events
reviewed by PERF agreed that unless the actions of certain protestors
necessitate their removal, the better course of action is not to
expend resources on arrests. For example, in instances where sleeping
dragons are situated so as to disrupt traffic, it may be less of a
drain on already-thin operational resources to simply monitor them and
reroute traffic. Moreover, protest organizers have on occasion
scheduled “officer intensive” diversions just before they undertake
more violent or destructive actions elsewhere, calculating that the
police would be too busy handling the mass arrest to respond to
further actions.
Pretty much anyone with common sense knows that it isn't smart to disturb a sleeping dragon in the middle of an intersection in New York City. Trying to try to arrest a dragon is very hard and dragons can afford to pay good lawyers with their treasure hordes. But, police also have to consider more difficult choices like the choices presented by this nude protest.
Public nudity is illegal in New York as it is in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. And, if the police had arrested the nude protesters, the arrests probably would have been upheld in court, because a ban on nudity in public would probably be viewed as a time, place and manner restriction on the freedom of speech which is constitutionally valid.
For example, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld San Francisco’s public nudity ordinance in Taub v. City and County of San Francisco (2017). As the court in that case explains in a factually very similar case:
Public nudity is not inherently expressive, but it may in some
circumstances constitute expressive conduct protected under the First
Amendment. City of Erie v. Pap’s A.M., 529 U.S. 277, 289 (2000)
(O’Connor, J.) (plurality opinion). Even if Plaintiffs’ public nudity
at political rallies was entitled to First Amendment protection,
however, we hold that the challenged ordinance is a valid, content
neutral regulation as applied to Plaintiffs’ expressive conduct under
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968). O’Brien is the applicable test here because the ordinance is aimed at “the conduct
itself, rather than at the message conveyed by that conduct.” United
States v. Swisher, 811 F.3d 299, 312 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc).
But, while a court would have made that distinction, the public, which is used to the idea that protesters shouldn't be arrested for protesting, might not.
However, under U.S. law, the police are never required to enforce any law. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
In this case, the NYPD probably just decided that the benefit that the city could have secured by enforcing this law wasn't worth it, in terms of costs
to the city, making the city safer, and the public image of the NYPD.
For example, the city would have had to pay to book and incarcerate the protestors in crowded and expensive jails, and then fight expensive legal battles in petty misdemeanor court prosecutions to defend the anti-nudity law, an issue that isn't a priority for the city's scarce resources at the moment. There is always a risk that any mass arrest could turn a peaceful gathering into a dangerous riot. And, those anti-nudity laws are on the books primarily do deal with drunks and flashers, not anti-censorship protestors. A loss in court in one of these cases (as unlikely as it might be) would undermine the ability of the NYPD to enforce the anti-nudity law in the kind of cases it was actually intended to address, in which a first amendment challenge would almost surely not succeed.
Arresting a bunch of naked people wouldn't be fun and would look bad in on the nightly news, and getting naked protestors off the street wouldn't make NYC a safer place. So, they chose not to enforce a law that they could have enforced if they had decided to do so.
Warning the protestors that they were violating the law would also not have served the NYPD's purpose. If they gave a warning and then didn't follow up when the warning was ignored, that would undermine the NYPD's credibility in future protests. And, even a warning could cause fear to spread throughout the crowd increasing the risk of a peaceful protest turning into a dangerous riot.
Training materials for law enforcement officers reflect these concerns (see internal pages 55-56 in the linked materials):
Mass arrests during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., New York City
and other major locales have been criticized. In some cases, the
protest activity, while unlawful, was not necessarily violent.
Complaints included that law-abiding protestors and passersby were
rounded up and detained along with violators in overly broad sweeps.
The negative impact of these media images damages the public
perception of the police operation, as it draws into question the
reasonableness and proportionality of the police response. Subsequent
litigation has proven to be particularly costly. In most instances
only a tiny number of those arrested actually appear in court and most
of those are charged with offenses that would not normally attract an
arrest or detention (Temple 2003). Law enforcement agencies need to
ensure that operational commanders have a clear and uniform
understanding of the mass-arrest policy to be followed.
Litigation has included criticism of understaffed prisoner processing
operations that, when overwhelmed, led to inordinate detention without
charge. This occurred at the Republican National Convention in 2004
and led to court instructions and fines for inordinate delay in
processing detained persons (New York Times 2004).
Research into recent mass-arrest operations shows that arrests are
easily accomplished. The areas where problems arise with sudden, but
now predictable, regularity are
The quality of evidence available to pursue prosecution against each individual;
The logistics of transporting and handling large numbers of prisoners;
Allowing legal and medical access;
An inordinate delay in arranging for release or bringing persons to court;
Not enough police on duty to cope with the above—process centers are frequently overwhelmed at an early stage due to lack of resources; and
In some cases, the courts have ruled that top police officials can be held personally liable for damages or actions.
Mass arrests are generally advisable only when all alternative tactics
have either been tried unsuccessfully or are unlikely to be effective
under specific circumstances. When mass-arrest tactics are used,
evidence against each individual prisoner must be available to support
the charges.
Arrest tactics training is a critical component of mission success.
The training must address the spectrum of event types: non-violent
protest, non-violent civil disobedience, passive resistance (including
the use of chains, sleeves and other devices to impede arrest) and
violent confrontation. Training must recognize the difference between
two arrest scenarios:
Arrest tactics where police are in control of the environment and have time to plan and implement the arrests or dispersal in a
controlled manner, (e.g., at a sit-down protest); and
Arrest tactics where police do not control the environment (e.g., when police are trying to re-establish control of the environment by
arresting violent demonstrators).
Pressure point techniques, in conjunction with empty hand control,
efficient handcuffing, and arrestee escort methods should be included
to remove protesters humanely while minimizing risk of injury to
protestors and police. Such tactics should be part of ongoing and
regular refresher training to ensure officers maintain efficiency.
Tactical commanders present at many of the demonstration events
reviewed by PERF agreed that unless the actions of certain protestors
necessitate their removal, the better course of action is not to
expend resources on arrests. For example, in instances where sleeping
dragons are situated so as to disrupt traffic, it may be less of a
drain on already-thin operational resources to simply monitor them and
reroute traffic. Moreover, protest organizers have on occasion
scheduled “officer intensive” diversions just before they undertake
more violent or destructive actions elsewhere, calculating that the
police would be too busy handling the mass arrest to respond to
further actions.
Pretty much anyone with common sense knows that it isn't smart to disturb a sleeping dragon in the middle of an intersection in New York City. Trying to try to arrest a dragon is very hard and dragons can afford to pay good lawyers with their treasure hordes. But, police also have to consider more difficult choices like the choices presented by this nude protest.
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18
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
14
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
3
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
4
This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
4
@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
|
show 10 more comments
18
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
14
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
3
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
4
This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
4
@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
18
18
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
In fact, "exposure of a person" is not even a misdemeanor under New York law, but only a "violation". The maximum punishment is 15 days in jail, and it is not considered to be a "crime" (see paragraph 6 of the previous link). It seems to be roughly comparable to a traffic ticket.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 4 at 18:15
14
14
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
@vsz No. The answer says that this isn't a legal "freedom of speech" issue as much as the NYPD's freedom to make cost-benefit judgments on enforcing laws under non-threatening conditions. If everyone drives the speed limit and one person goes 10 MPH over, they may be ticketed. If everyone drives 10 MPH over -- at least where I live -- the police choose to divert resources elsewhere or only stop those going 20 MPH over. Practicality of enforcement as well as legality affects outcomes.
– Sam
Jun 5 at 16:33
3
3
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
@ohwilleke It appears to be a special kind of protest tactic wherein protesters link themselves up inside a PVC tube. I've heard of protesters cuffing themselves together and to various objects to prevent their removal, but I hadn't heard of them going to the next level like this.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:04
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This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
This article has a picture that should make it clear what they're doing. I was initially thinking it was a very large tube with their entire bodies inside. Which is quite silly, in retrospect. It's just their hands/arms in the tubes, cuffed together, basically. The idea is apparently to make it difficult for the police to safely and quickly separate them, as cutting through the pipes runs the risk of injuring the protesters.
– zibadawa timmy
Jun 5 at 23:09
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@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
@zibadawatimmy - the "sleeping dragon" thing is more of a Harry Potter thing. The motto of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus", or "Never tickle a sleeping dragon". Mind you, knowing that doesn't make it any less odd to find such a reference in a police manual.
– Bob Jarvis
Jun 6 at 11:57
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Any anti-nudity law is subordinate to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The action clearly constitutes political expression, which is protected. Not every imaginable action can be excused if done in the name of political expression, so enforcement would involve a "strict scrutiny" analysis. That is, when a fundamental right is involved, a law has to further a "compelling governmental interest," it must be "narrowly tailored" to achieve that interest, and it must be the "least restrictive means" of achieving the purpose. The law says
A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed
or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate
parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast
which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to
the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or
performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
A political demonstration can be considered a kind of exhibition, and should be so construed when strictly scrutinized.
Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
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Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
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Any anti-nudity law is subordinate to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The action clearly constitutes political expression, which is protected. Not every imaginable action can be excused if done in the name of political expression, so enforcement would involve a "strict scrutiny" analysis. That is, when a fundamental right is involved, a law has to further a "compelling governmental interest," it must be "narrowly tailored" to achieve that interest, and it must be the "least restrictive means" of achieving the purpose. The law says
A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed
or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate
parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast
which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to
the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or
performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
A political demonstration can be considered a kind of exhibition, and should be so construed when strictly scrutinized.
Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
7
Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
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Any anti-nudity law is subordinate to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The action clearly constitutes political expression, which is protected. Not every imaginable action can be excused if done in the name of political expression, so enforcement would involve a "strict scrutiny" analysis. That is, when a fundamental right is involved, a law has to further a "compelling governmental interest," it must be "narrowly tailored" to achieve that interest, and it must be the "least restrictive means" of achieving the purpose. The law says
A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed
or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate
parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast
which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to
the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or
performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
A political demonstration can be considered a kind of exhibition, and should be so construed when strictly scrutinized.
Any anti-nudity law is subordinate to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The action clearly constitutes political expression, which is protected. Not every imaginable action can be excused if done in the name of political expression, so enforcement would involve a "strict scrutiny" analysis. That is, when a fundamental right is involved, a law has to further a "compelling governmental interest," it must be "narrowly tailored" to achieve that interest, and it must be the "least restrictive means" of achieving the purpose. The law says
A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed
or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate
parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast
which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to
the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or
performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
A political demonstration can be considered a kind of exhibition, and should be so construed when strictly scrutinized.
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Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
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Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
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Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
7
Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
Thanks, that makes lots of sense. I didn't know the protest was political.
– Shadow
Jun 4 at 15:13
7
7
Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
Can't think of a Protest that is not political in it's nature. There was an episode of the show "Penn and Teller: Bullshit" which showed the case in Florida of a woman who was arrested for Public Nudity in Daytona, but the program admitted that during post, a judge through out her case because she was engaging in a political protest. The show did not hide the ball on this matter either discussing with her the politics of the woman and her belief that this was the best way to protest the law... specifically, the law was Indecent Exposure laws, which was not as narrowly tailored.
– hszmv
Jun 4 at 15:44
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
I thought I recognised the work of Spencer Tunick. Judging by the picture <ahem> in the link, this could almost certainly be interpreted as a work of art (he famously creates works of mass nudity) as well as a political protest and therefore be even moreso considered an exhibition.
– colmde
Jun 5 at 11:59
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
If people are being exhibitionist, isn't it an exhibition by definition? *baddum-tsh*
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:29
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
I remember reading about one guy who escaped an indecent exposure charge on first amendment grounds because of how a TSA encounter went and he stripped at the checkpoint. See, nothing hidden. AFIAK the key element is the nudity is a message or part of a message.
– Loren Pechtel
Jun 6 at 0:03
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It appears that the protesters were not actually nude. The article linked in the question states that they were covered "with stickers of photographed male nipples, to highlight the rigid — and anachronistic — gender inequality in existing nudity policies".
The stickers are evident in the "NSFW" photos also mentioned in the question, which I suppose makes them less NSFW .
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It appears that the protesters were not actually nude. The article linked in the question states that they were covered "with stickers of photographed male nipples, to highlight the rigid — and anachronistic — gender inequality in existing nudity policies".
The stickers are evident in the "NSFW" photos also mentioned in the question, which I suppose makes them less NSFW .
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It appears that the protesters were not actually nude. The article linked in the question states that they were covered "with stickers of photographed male nipples, to highlight the rigid — and anachronistic — gender inequality in existing nudity policies".
The stickers are evident in the "NSFW" photos also mentioned in the question, which I suppose makes them less NSFW .
It appears that the protesters were not actually nude. The article linked in the question states that they were covered "with stickers of photographed male nipples, to highlight the rigid — and anachronistic — gender inequality in existing nudity policies".
The stickers are evident in the "NSFW" photos also mentioned in the question, which I suppose makes them less NSFW .
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While I think all of the answers thus far are good, they miss a critical point. The law doesn't ban nudity, it bans indecent exposure. In New York State females have a right to be topless in public as men do which makes "indecent exposure" effectively "genital exposure". Skipping deep philosophical discussion on how covered you can be and still be considered naked, the females in the pictures are arguably naked, but no genitals are exposed (at least in the given picture) which means they have not committed indecent exposure and there is no cause for arrest.
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While I think all of the answers thus far are good, they miss a critical point. The law doesn't ban nudity, it bans indecent exposure. In New York State females have a right to be topless in public as men do which makes "indecent exposure" effectively "genital exposure". Skipping deep philosophical discussion on how covered you can be and still be considered naked, the females in the pictures are arguably naked, but no genitals are exposed (at least in the given picture) which means they have not committed indecent exposure and there is no cause for arrest.
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While I think all of the answers thus far are good, they miss a critical point. The law doesn't ban nudity, it bans indecent exposure. In New York State females have a right to be topless in public as men do which makes "indecent exposure" effectively "genital exposure". Skipping deep philosophical discussion on how covered you can be and still be considered naked, the females in the pictures are arguably naked, but no genitals are exposed (at least in the given picture) which means they have not committed indecent exposure and there is no cause for arrest.
While I think all of the answers thus far are good, they miss a critical point. The law doesn't ban nudity, it bans indecent exposure. In New York State females have a right to be topless in public as men do which makes "indecent exposure" effectively "genital exposure". Skipping deep philosophical discussion on how covered you can be and still be considered naked, the females in the pictures are arguably naked, but no genitals are exposed (at least in the given picture) which means they have not committed indecent exposure and there is no cause for arrest.
answered Jun 5 at 15:49
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Laws against public nudity, usually termed "indecent exposure", are not federal laws in the US. They are either sate laws, or in many cases, local laws (city, county, or other local jurisdiction). Therefore what is prohibited under such laws, and where they apply, vary significantly.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, courts have ruled that arrests for exposure of the female breast are not constitutional when males may go shirtless on Equal Protection grounds, or on the grounds that the particular instance was expressive conduct, and was protected by the First Amendment. I believe that the law linked in the answer by user6726 is one that has been modified by a court ruling.Thhis law.se question discussed that issue in some detail.
Note that even protected speech (and expressive conduct) is subject to regulation of "time, place, and manner", provided that such regulations do not unduly burden expression, and are content-neutral. There is a lot of case law on what regulations are and are not constitutional, far more than can be summarized in a single answer here. If police had arrested the nude protesters described in the question, the state might have defended the arrest as a regulation of the "manner" of expression.
Note also that what actions are, and what are not "expressive conduct" is subject to review in such cases. US Courts often ask what is the "particularized message" conveyed by specific conduct, and how does that conduct convey that message. In some cases courts have ruled that conduct which is asserted to be "expressive" is not so. (For example, wearing a hood as part of a Klu Klux Klan uniform has been held not to be expressive conduct.)
Thus, if the protesters had been prosecuted, it is not clear how the courts would have treated a claim that their conduct was protected expression. The NY authorities choose not to enforce the law on the books in this case, no doubt knowing that a potentially complex case would result. They have wide discretion on when to enforce the law, and when not to.
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Laws against public nudity, usually termed "indecent exposure", are not federal laws in the US. They are either sate laws, or in many cases, local laws (city, county, or other local jurisdiction). Therefore what is prohibited under such laws, and where they apply, vary significantly.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, courts have ruled that arrests for exposure of the female breast are not constitutional when males may go shirtless on Equal Protection grounds, or on the grounds that the particular instance was expressive conduct, and was protected by the First Amendment. I believe that the law linked in the answer by user6726 is one that has been modified by a court ruling.Thhis law.se question discussed that issue in some detail.
Note that even protected speech (and expressive conduct) is subject to regulation of "time, place, and manner", provided that such regulations do not unduly burden expression, and are content-neutral. There is a lot of case law on what regulations are and are not constitutional, far more than can be summarized in a single answer here. If police had arrested the nude protesters described in the question, the state might have defended the arrest as a regulation of the "manner" of expression.
Note also that what actions are, and what are not "expressive conduct" is subject to review in such cases. US Courts often ask what is the "particularized message" conveyed by specific conduct, and how does that conduct convey that message. In some cases courts have ruled that conduct which is asserted to be "expressive" is not so. (For example, wearing a hood as part of a Klu Klux Klan uniform has been held not to be expressive conduct.)
Thus, if the protesters had been prosecuted, it is not clear how the courts would have treated a claim that their conduct was protected expression. The NY authorities choose not to enforce the law on the books in this case, no doubt knowing that a potentially complex case would result. They have wide discretion on when to enforce the law, and when not to.
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Laws against public nudity, usually termed "indecent exposure", are not federal laws in the US. They are either sate laws, or in many cases, local laws (city, county, or other local jurisdiction). Therefore what is prohibited under such laws, and where they apply, vary significantly.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, courts have ruled that arrests for exposure of the female breast are not constitutional when males may go shirtless on Equal Protection grounds, or on the grounds that the particular instance was expressive conduct, and was protected by the First Amendment. I believe that the law linked in the answer by user6726 is one that has been modified by a court ruling.Thhis law.se question discussed that issue in some detail.
Note that even protected speech (and expressive conduct) is subject to regulation of "time, place, and manner", provided that such regulations do not unduly burden expression, and are content-neutral. There is a lot of case law on what regulations are and are not constitutional, far more than can be summarized in a single answer here. If police had arrested the nude protesters described in the question, the state might have defended the arrest as a regulation of the "manner" of expression.
Note also that what actions are, and what are not "expressive conduct" is subject to review in such cases. US Courts often ask what is the "particularized message" conveyed by specific conduct, and how does that conduct convey that message. In some cases courts have ruled that conduct which is asserted to be "expressive" is not so. (For example, wearing a hood as part of a Klu Klux Klan uniform has been held not to be expressive conduct.)
Thus, if the protesters had been prosecuted, it is not clear how the courts would have treated a claim that their conduct was protected expression. The NY authorities choose not to enforce the law on the books in this case, no doubt knowing that a potentially complex case would result. They have wide discretion on when to enforce the law, and when not to.
Laws against public nudity, usually termed "indecent exposure", are not federal laws in the US. They are either sate laws, or in many cases, local laws (city, county, or other local jurisdiction). Therefore what is prohibited under such laws, and where they apply, vary significantly.
Also, in a number of jurisdictions, courts have ruled that arrests for exposure of the female breast are not constitutional when males may go shirtless on Equal Protection grounds, or on the grounds that the particular instance was expressive conduct, and was protected by the First Amendment. I believe that the law linked in the answer by user6726 is one that has been modified by a court ruling.Thhis law.se question discussed that issue in some detail.
Note that even protected speech (and expressive conduct) is subject to regulation of "time, place, and manner", provided that such regulations do not unduly burden expression, and are content-neutral. There is a lot of case law on what regulations are and are not constitutional, far more than can be summarized in a single answer here. If police had arrested the nude protesters described in the question, the state might have defended the arrest as a regulation of the "manner" of expression.
Note also that what actions are, and what are not "expressive conduct" is subject to review in such cases. US Courts often ask what is the "particularized message" conveyed by specific conduct, and how does that conduct convey that message. In some cases courts have ruled that conduct which is asserted to be "expressive" is not so. (For example, wearing a hood as part of a Klu Klux Klan uniform has been held not to be expressive conduct.)
Thus, if the protesters had been prosecuted, it is not clear how the courts would have treated a claim that their conduct was protected expression. The NY authorities choose not to enforce the law on the books in this case, no doubt knowing that a potentially complex case would result. They have wide discretion on when to enforce the law, and when not to.
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Your question is based on the false premise that everybody who is breaking the law must be arrested. Drive your car along a highway at the speed limit. Anyone who overtakes you is breaking the law by speeding. How many of them are arrested? OK, there were no police there, but the police know where the highways are and they know that this crime is being committed every minute of every day.
– David Richerby
Jun 5 at 14:27
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There's no federal law against nudity just as there is no federal law against prostitution or gambling. These types of 'blue laws' are up to states and localities to decide.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 20:53
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@DavidRicherby another false premise is that the protesters' nudity was a violation of the law. It was probably protected by MY courts' interpretation of the first amendment.
– phoog
Jun 5 at 21:23
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@DavidRicherby I'm simply pointing out that the statement "I'm also pretty sure public nudity is not allowed in the USA" is incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the legal structure of the USA, one that seems to be common.
– JimmyJames
Jun 5 at 21:23
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Your question is based on the false premise that they were nude. Pasties and a paper plate: you're good to go.
– Mazura
Jun 5 at 22:12