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For how many integers $N$ is the rational function $fracN^2-2N-15N^2-N-12$ also an integer?

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  I don't think this is off-topic. The "obvious" way to approach this would be to write $N^2−2N−15=M(N^2−N−12)$ and then try to reduce possibilities for $M$ and $N$, perhaps by using modular arithmetic or even brute-forcing. The "aha moment" required by the linked policy is to factorise the polynomials, and the "unexpected result" is that only two values of $N$ work and it's easy to find which ones.
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For how many integers $N$ is the rational function $fracN^2-2N-15N^2-N-12$ also an integer?

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  I don't think this is off-topic. The "obvious" way to approach this would be to write $N^2−2N−15=M(N^2−N−12)$ and then try to reduce possibilities for $M$ and $N$, perhaps by using modular arithmetic or even brute-forcing. The "aha moment" required by the linked policy is to factorise the polynomials, and the "unexpected result" is that only two values of $N$ work and it's easy to find which ones.
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For how many integers $N$ is the rational function $fracN^2-2N-15N^2-N-12$ also an integer?

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Since the given expression can be simplified to

$frac(N-5)(N+3)(N-4)(N+3)=fracN-5N-4=1-frac1N-4$,

we simply need to make sure

$N-4$ divides $1$, i.e., $N-4=pm 1$, which leads to $N=5$ or $N=3$. We can check that both of them work.

So

There are two such $N$.

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  Perfect! I was hoping to lead people on a wild goose chase with $N^2-2N-15=M(N^2-N-12)$ or suchlike, but you're too good.
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Since the given expression can be simplified to

$frac(N-5)(N+3)(N-4)(N+3)=fracN-5N-4=1-frac1N-4$,

we simply need to make sure

$N-4$ divides $1$, i.e., $N-4=pm 1$, which leads to $N=5$ or $N=3$. We can check that both of them work.

So

There are two such $N$.

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answered Jun 6 at 10:03

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  Perfect! I was hoping to lead people on a wild goose chase with $N^2-2N-15=M(N^2-N-12)$ or suchlike, but you're too good.
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  Jun 6 at 10:09
  

  
  
  
  

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11

$begingroup$

Since the given expression can be simplified to

$frac(N-5)(N+3)(N-4)(N+3)=fracN-5N-4=1-frac1N-4$,

we simply need to make sure

$N-4$ divides $1$, i.e., $N-4=pm 1$, which leads to $N=5$ or $N=3$. We can check that both of them work.

So

There are two such $N$.

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answered Jun 6 at 10:03

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  Perfect! I was hoping to lead people on a wild goose chase with $N^2-2N-15=M(N^2-N-12)$ or suchlike, but you're too good.
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  – Rand al'Thor
  Jun 6 at 10:09
  

  
  
  
  

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Since the given expression can be simplified to

$frac(N-5)(N+3)(N-4)(N+3)=fracN-5N-4=1-frac1N-4$,

we simply need to make sure

$N-4$ divides $1$, i.e., $N-4=pm 1$, which leads to $N=5$ or $N=3$. We can check that both of them work.

So

There are two such $N$.

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answered Jun 6 at 10:03

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