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Not within a week, but within a few weeks it is.



It is true the movement of plates is very slow, but flooding can happen remarkably fast. Rift valleys are rarely impassible—that is, until they flood and stop being valleys and start being seas. If you have lowlands suddenly joined to the ocean, a few weeks to fill is possible. The Mediterranean (Zanclean) flood is a good example as is the Bonneville flood. At one time you could walk from Italy to Sicily to Tunisia (Africa); within a few weeks there was a sea in the way.



When Gibraltar breached, the ocean flooded into the the lowland; some estimates put the flooding at over 100,000,000 cubic metres per second. Erosion turned a tiny breach into a huge gaping chasm in minutes. The flooding was also incredibly noisy; I remember one claim that noise might have deafened local wildlife. Afterwards there was a sea where there had been crossable land before. On a more local level, one day you could walk from Spain to Africa via Gibraltar, then one day the ocean breached and the mother of all waterfalls cut through rock like butter creating a raging waterfall-filled chasm eventually replaced by ocean.



Note you can make a fictional basin even easier to make impassable, the mediterranean is a wide deep basin. Completely filling the mediterranean took two years, but a properly shaped basin (something shaped like the red sea) could become complete uncrossable within 4-5 weeks. Especially if there are pre-existing Saline lakes and crossable highlands that get cut.



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    @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
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    @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
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Yes, and it can happen extremely quickly!



For example, there is the process of Rapid Non-Catastrophic Tectonic Shift. There are, as the geologers know, deep under this world, gigantic Beings whose atlantean job it is to uold up the surface world, the continents and the oceans, so that they won't sink down into the molten layer deep below.



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Whenever these great Beings become annoyed or agitated, that they began to shift about most uncomfortably. Usually, the result is an ordinary earthquake. These occur when one of the Beings shifts its shoulders or scratches its leg. The overall integrity of the crustal structure is relatively unaffected.



However, if the agitation is simply unbearable, some Beings in a given area may abandon their posts or lay down and curl up in order to seek relief from what's troubling them. This can have dramatic effects on the earth above.



Here we can see how two plates begin to shift apart from one another:



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When this happens, the crust cracks open and a chasm is formed. Should this happen in an inland area, the result be something akin to the Great Rift Valley in Africa. When it happens under the ocean, it's like the Mid-Atlantic Rift.



But when it happens in a zone of land near the sea, the resulting inflow of water into the chasm results in the sudden evolution of a bay or narrow strait.



Below we can see that the fissure has opened up wide and several deformational factors have caused the surrounding land to sink somewhat.



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This results in catastrophic erosion of mountains or hill country and an increase in localised volcanism.



The continent splitting rift, opening as it does into the distant ocean, now fills with water.



Deep down, an emergency scaffold has been placed upon a mantle plume to support the cooling plug that underlies the new Strait. Also, the underlying forces are Not Amused by the abuse to their senses, and may remain agitated for some time to come, as evidenced by residual volcanism, poisonous outgassing and etc. But at least the warring tribes are now safely separated for several generations until they can invent boats or bridges or long range catapults!



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A meteor strike.



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Meteor Crater formed in a fraction of a second as 175 million tons of
limestone and bedrock were uplifted, forming the mile-wide crater rim
in the formerly flat terrain. The meteorite was only 150 ft. wide. For
a sense of scale, if this hit Kansas City, the blast radius would take
out the entire city. (ref)




Now, in this example, Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona USA, the crater is not quite a mile wide (0.737 miles, 1.186 km), so it's very easy to traverse. But not at first.



Imagine this happens in an area with forests or other vegetation that catches on fire. Imagine that settlements in the middle of this large community were wiped out in an instant. And remember that the blast radius here is huge.




Using scaling relationships determined from nuclear explosions, the
radial extent of the air blast produced by the Meteor Crater impact
event is estimated. The wind velocity at a distance of 5 crater radii
(3 km) from the point of impact should have exceeded 2000 km/h.
Hurricane force winds would have existed as far away as 20 to 40 km,
depending on the exact explosive energy of the impact event. To
determine how this event may have affected the environment surrounding
the crater, the topography, vegetation, and animal life that existed
at the time of the impact are reconstructed. For example, if the
coniferous woodlands were 100 m lower than they are presently and they
had moved farther out onto the plains, then the air blast would have
flattened trees within a 16 to 22 km radius of the point of impact and
damaged them over an area of 4100 to 8500 km2. The distance over which
the damage occurred may have been up to 2× larger in some directions
around the crater because of additional effects produced by the
ballistic shock wave. (ref)




So sure, it's a simple trip now, but a blast that flattens trees up to 22 kilometers (13.5 miles) away, would easily be enough to separate a community for generations.



The stories they must have! And the fear of going anywhere near it. How could they know it wouldn't happen again? Maybe they'd know the impact came from the sky (if it was during the day and if the stories remember that bit), maybe not. Were the Gods angry at them for building villages in that location? Or is there some evil lurking under the surface ready to destroy any fools who venture too near?



If the cultures on either side of this were already at war, I think this would seal the deal. War over. Okay, let's go that way from now on.



If you want water separating them, a meteor crater could could land in such a way to turn a passible river into an impassible one. Or at least one that's more trouble than it's worth. In 10-20 years when the trees have grown back and people get curious, the river could have swelled. But you don't really need a water barrier to have a psychological one. Who wants to go near that place again?



Add in some geographical features like a mountain range or a waterless desert if you want to make going around even harder. Set it up however you wish.



Creating a storyline with a natural phenomenon dividing people in less than a week, lasting for generations, is quite doable. With the right geography, politics, technological level, and so forth, it's very reasonable.






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    @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
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    You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
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    Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
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Megaflood from melting ice dam.



When glaciers melt, huge amounts of water can pile up behind ice dams. When those dams give way the water comes out. Fast. Supposedly the Hudson River valley was carved in a couple of weeks. I am glad I was not there at the time.



https://io9.gizmodo.com/ancient-flood-myths-may-have-a-basis-in-geological-hist-5940112




There is now compelling evidence for many gigantic ancient floods
where glacial ice dams failed time and again: At the end of the last
glaciation, some 10,000 years ago, giant ice-dammed lakes in Eurasia
and North America repeatedly produced huge floods. In Siberia, rivers
spilled over drainage divides and changed their courses. England's
fate as an island was sealed by erosion from glacial floods that
carved the English Channel. These were not global deluges as described
in the Genesis story of Noah, but were more focused catastrophic
floods taking place throughout the world. They likely inspired stories
like Noah's in many cultures, passed down through generations.




Your continent had such a flood. A huge amount of water rushed thru low points, wearing them away. Once it was done, the land may have been eroded low enough for the ocean to come up a fair ways along the course of the flood. What was one landmass has become two.



Yeah, I took my own answer from here
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    The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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With a long, deep valley I think it's entirely possible for erosion to gradually chip away at one end, until there's the equivalent of a dam breaking, and a river changes course to flood the valley and probably even increasing the size of the rift with debris being swept away and sudden erosion taking out the banks. Depending on geography it could be the ocean flooding in as well, I suppose. You could feasibly end up with something like the Grand Canyon, which could be possible to cross with enough work (bridges, climbing down and rafting over, etc,) but it would take a lot of work and risk, so unless there's something like a major food source on the other side people probably wouldn't bother.



Depending on how long it is and where the other end is it will probably still be possible to walk around, but it might take weeks or months, and as with going over that's a big commitment of time and resources.






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    In my opinion, it would be impossible for a continent to split apart and the two parts move far enough away to separate two warring tribes, nations, or civilizations within a short time, a time so short that the war would not have ended one way or another long before the separation process was completed.



    One way to get around that would be to have two separate continents that were connected by a land bridge. There is a chain of islands between them and during a glacial period the islands are all covered with ice sheets but the sea level is so low that enough of the seabed between the islands is both exposed and ice free that a land path winds between the glaciers. The land path might be narrow in some places but wide enough in other places for lush and bountiful lowlands that might be the best lands on the planet at the moment, well worth fighting over.



    So during a interglacial period seawater flows between the separate islands from one ocean to another and the waters of those oceans mix and tend to have similar temperatures. So the colder ocean stays warm enough to stay ice free and the dark water adsorb more solar heat than ice would, thus keeping that ocean warmer still, and reinforcing the interglacial period.



    But during a glacial period seawater cannot flow through the land bridge from one ocean to another and the waters of one of those oceans gets colder and colder and it fills up with pack ice, lowering temperatures worldwide and reinforcing the glacial period.



    During a glacial period the two continents will seem like one continent to land dwellers even if technically the two continents are separated by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles. The two different cultures will expand in opposite directions through the land bridge until they meet and fight over control of one or more of the large lush lowlands on the exposed seabed - which of course they don't know is exposed seabed.



    And possibly both cultures are landlubbers who don't have any experience sailing the seas.



    Then a vast volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact destroys a narrow section of the land bridge. The after effects might possibly trigger an even stronger glaciation, so that the entire area of the land bridge becomes buried under an ice sheet and impassable for centuries or millennia.



    Or the after effects might possibly trigger some degree of global warming. Ice sheet may melt and raise sea levels. And with a part of the lowlands devastated and at a lower level, water can now pass through the former land bridge from the warmer ocean to the cooler ocean, raising the water temperature in the cooler ocean and melting ice on and around that ocean, raising sea levels and adsorbing more solar heat to melt more ice and raise sea levels even more, and so on.



    By the time the after effects are over and people of the two cultures on the two continents begin to return to the devastated lands of the land bridge, the entire land bridge might be flooded by the rising sea levels, and possibly the nearest islands in the island chain will be out of sight of land. Then the two cultures on the two continents will be separated until one of them develops ships and learns how to sail between continents.



    Another possibility would be the opposite, having two cultures that live on land, but have fishing and seaborne trade as important parts of their economy, so never explore or settle more that a few dozen miles from the ocean.



    And possibly two different oceans that the two different cultures live on the shores and islands of are separated by two great land masses with only a winding, narrow, strait connecting those oceans. The climate may be bleak and inhospitable at the strait and near it, so nobody settles there to live, but powerful societies might build forts and station fleets there, and supply them with food and water, etc. from elsewhere, to control the vital trade from one ocean to another. So that would explain the war between societies in the two oceans.



    Then a volcano erupts in the strait and pours out many cubic miles of lava that solidifies and block the entire strait. Then it will be impossible from people from the two oceans to ever meet again, until someone finds another passage between the oceans through even less hospitable land, or another volcanic event blows away the plug in the strait, or one of the cultures begins to explore and travel long distances on land.



    Or possibly there is an asteroid strike somewhere in the planet, that causes a glaciation, with icecaps forming and sea levels falling. All the port cities will have to move closer to the receding shores as the sea levels drop. And possibly the strait will become dry land as sea levels fall. and if the continental shelf around the strait is flat enough, the exposed land blocking the strait could be hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles wide.






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      Not within a week, but within a few weeks it is.



      It is true the movement of plates is very slow, but flooding can happen remarkably fast. Rift valleys are rarely impassible—that is, until they flood and stop being valleys and start being seas. If you have lowlands suddenly joined to the ocean, a few weeks to fill is possible. The Mediterranean (Zanclean) flood is a good example as is the Bonneville flood. At one time you could walk from Italy to Sicily to Tunisia (Africa); within a few weeks there was a sea in the way.



      When Gibraltar breached, the ocean flooded into the the lowland; some estimates put the flooding at over 100,000,000 cubic metres per second. Erosion turned a tiny breach into a huge gaping chasm in minutes. The flooding was also incredibly noisy; I remember one claim that noise might have deafened local wildlife. Afterwards there was a sea where there had been crossable land before. On a more local level, one day you could walk from Spain to Africa via Gibraltar, then one day the ocean breached and the mother of all waterfalls cut through rock like butter creating a raging waterfall-filled chasm eventually replaced by ocean.



      Note you can make a fictional basin even easier to make impassable, the mediterranean is a wide deep basin. Completely filling the mediterranean took two years, but a properly shaped basin (something shaped like the red sea) could become complete uncrossable within 4-5 weeks. Especially if there are pre-existing Saline lakes and crossable highlands that get cut.



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        The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
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        – ShadowRanger
        Jul 14 at 1:01










      • $begingroup$
        @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 3:50






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        $begingroup$
        @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
        $endgroup$
        – RoyC
        Jul 14 at 17:26






      • 3




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:42






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
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        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:47















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      Not within a week, but within a few weeks it is.



      It is true the movement of plates is very slow, but flooding can happen remarkably fast. Rift valleys are rarely impassible—that is, until they flood and stop being valleys and start being seas. If you have lowlands suddenly joined to the ocean, a few weeks to fill is possible. The Mediterranean (Zanclean) flood is a good example as is the Bonneville flood. At one time you could walk from Italy to Sicily to Tunisia (Africa); within a few weeks there was a sea in the way.



      When Gibraltar breached, the ocean flooded into the the lowland; some estimates put the flooding at over 100,000,000 cubic metres per second. Erosion turned a tiny breach into a huge gaping chasm in minutes. The flooding was also incredibly noisy; I remember one claim that noise might have deafened local wildlife. Afterwards there was a sea where there had been crossable land before. On a more local level, one day you could walk from Spain to Africa via Gibraltar, then one day the ocean breached and the mother of all waterfalls cut through rock like butter creating a raging waterfall-filled chasm eventually replaced by ocean.



      Note you can make a fictional basin even easier to make impassable, the mediterranean is a wide deep basin. Completely filling the mediterranean took two years, but a properly shaped basin (something shaped like the red sea) could become complete uncrossable within 4-5 weeks. Especially if there are pre-existing Saline lakes and crossable highlands that get cut.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here






      share|improve this answer












      $endgroup$










      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
        $endgroup$
        – ShadowRanger
        Jul 14 at 1:01










      • $begingroup$
        @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 3:50






      • 5




        $begingroup$
        @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
        $endgroup$
        – RoyC
        Jul 14 at 17:26






      • 3




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:42






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:47













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      $begingroup$

      Not within a week, but within a few weeks it is.



      It is true the movement of plates is very slow, but flooding can happen remarkably fast. Rift valleys are rarely impassible—that is, until they flood and stop being valleys and start being seas. If you have lowlands suddenly joined to the ocean, a few weeks to fill is possible. The Mediterranean (Zanclean) flood is a good example as is the Bonneville flood. At one time you could walk from Italy to Sicily to Tunisia (Africa); within a few weeks there was a sea in the way.



      When Gibraltar breached, the ocean flooded into the the lowland; some estimates put the flooding at over 100,000,000 cubic metres per second. Erosion turned a tiny breach into a huge gaping chasm in minutes. The flooding was also incredibly noisy; I remember one claim that noise might have deafened local wildlife. Afterwards there was a sea where there had been crossable land before. On a more local level, one day you could walk from Spain to Africa via Gibraltar, then one day the ocean breached and the mother of all waterfalls cut through rock like butter creating a raging waterfall-filled chasm eventually replaced by ocean.



      Note you can make a fictional basin even easier to make impassable, the mediterranean is a wide deep basin. Completely filling the mediterranean took two years, but a properly shaped basin (something shaped like the red sea) could become complete uncrossable within 4-5 weeks. Especially if there are pre-existing Saline lakes and crossable highlands that get cut.



      enter image description here



      enter image description here






      share|improve this answer












      $endgroup$



      Not within a week, but within a few weeks it is.



      It is true the movement of plates is very slow, but flooding can happen remarkably fast. Rift valleys are rarely impassible—that is, until they flood and stop being valleys and start being seas. If you have lowlands suddenly joined to the ocean, a few weeks to fill is possible. The Mediterranean (Zanclean) flood is a good example as is the Bonneville flood. At one time you could walk from Italy to Sicily to Tunisia (Africa); within a few weeks there was a sea in the way.



      When Gibraltar breached, the ocean flooded into the the lowland; some estimates put the flooding at over 100,000,000 cubic metres per second. Erosion turned a tiny breach into a huge gaping chasm in minutes. The flooding was also incredibly noisy; I remember one claim that noise might have deafened local wildlife. Afterwards there was a sea where there had been crossable land before. On a more local level, one day you could walk from Spain to Africa via Gibraltar, then one day the ocean breached and the mother of all waterfalls cut through rock like butter creating a raging waterfall-filled chasm eventually replaced by ocean.



      Note you can make a fictional basin even easier to make impassable, the mediterranean is a wide deep basin. Completely filling the mediterranean took two years, but a properly shaped basin (something shaped like the red sea) could become complete uncrossable within 4-5 weeks. Especially if there are pre-existing Saline lakes and crossable highlands that get cut.



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      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
        $endgroup$
        – ShadowRanger
        Jul 14 at 1:01










      • $begingroup$
        @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 3:50






      • 5




        $begingroup$
        @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
        $endgroup$
        – RoyC
        Jul 14 at 17:26






      • 3




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:42






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:47












      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
        $endgroup$
        – ShadowRanger
        Jul 14 at 1:01










      • $begingroup$
        @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 3:50






      • 5




        $begingroup$
        @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
        $endgroup$
        – RoyC
        Jul 14 at 17:26






      • 3




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:42






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 14 at 18:47







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      $begingroup$
      The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowRanger
      Jul 14 at 1:01




      $begingroup$
      The separation of Britain from mainland Europe would be another instance of this sort of massive flooding.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowRanger
      Jul 14 at 1:01












      $begingroup$
      @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 3:50




      $begingroup$
      @ShadowRanger Sort of, that was a much more gradual process. It happened at the rate of sea level rise, this on the other hand happened as fast as the water could flow in.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 3:50




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      $begingroup$
      @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
      $endgroup$
      – RoyC
      Jul 14 at 17:26




      $begingroup$
      @John no it did not. There was a huge lake trapped by ice in the area of the North Sea. The breach at the Pas De Calais created a huge deluge which very quickly scoured out the English Channel.
      $endgroup$
      – RoyC
      Jul 14 at 17:26




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      3




      $begingroup$
      @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 18:42




      $begingroup$
      @elemtilas the continets split much much slower as the land pulls apart inch by inch creating a deep fault valley (literally a rift valley), If this valley is connected to the ocean you get a thin narrow sea, If dry these eventually develop lakes and marshes and eventually become deep enough to be be below sea level, if they suddenly connect to the ocean anywhere by faulting or sea level change you get a catastrophic flood.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 18:42




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      1




      $begingroup$
      @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 18:47




      $begingroup$
      @elemtilas a continent does not have clean crsp boundaries, Saying when exactly a continent splits is opinion. Its like pulling apart a piece of taffy except the taffy never breaks it just gets replaced by a different flavor of taffy.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 14 at 18:47













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      Yes, and it can happen extremely quickly!



      For example, there is the process of Rapid Non-Catastrophic Tectonic Shift. There are, as the geologers know, deep under this world, gigantic Beings whose atlantean job it is to uold up the surface world, the continents and the oceans, so that they won't sink down into the molten layer deep below.



      enter image description here



      Whenever these great Beings become annoyed or agitated, that they began to shift about most uncomfortably. Usually, the result is an ordinary earthquake. These occur when one of the Beings shifts its shoulders or scratches its leg. The overall integrity of the crustal structure is relatively unaffected.



      However, if the agitation is simply unbearable, some Beings in a given area may abandon their posts or lay down and curl up in order to seek relief from what's troubling them. This can have dramatic effects on the earth above.



      Here we can see how two plates begin to shift apart from one another:



      enter image description here



      When this happens, the crust cracks open and a chasm is formed. Should this happen in an inland area, the result be something akin to the Great Rift Valley in Africa. When it happens under the ocean, it's like the Mid-Atlantic Rift.



      But when it happens in a zone of land near the sea, the resulting inflow of water into the chasm results in the sudden evolution of a bay or narrow strait.



      Below we can see that the fissure has opened up wide and several deformational factors have caused the surrounding land to sink somewhat.



      enter image description here



      This results in catastrophic erosion of mountains or hill country and an increase in localised volcanism.



      The continent splitting rift, opening as it does into the distant ocean, now fills with water.



      Deep down, an emergency scaffold has been placed upon a mantle plume to support the cooling plug that underlies the new Strait. Also, the underlying forces are Not Amused by the abuse to their senses, and may remain agitated for some time to come, as evidenced by residual volcanism, poisonous outgassing and etc. But at least the warring tribes are now safely separated for several generations until they can invent boats or bridges or long range catapults!



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        @Criggie -- The illustrations were made for this answer, but they also illustrate an event from an actual world.
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      $begingroup$

      Yes, and it can happen extremely quickly!



      For example, there is the process of Rapid Non-Catastrophic Tectonic Shift. There are, as the geologers know, deep under this world, gigantic Beings whose atlantean job it is to uold up the surface world, the continents and the oceans, so that they won't sink down into the molten layer deep below.



      enter image description here



      Whenever these great Beings become annoyed or agitated, that they began to shift about most uncomfortably. Usually, the result is an ordinary earthquake. These occur when one of the Beings shifts its shoulders or scratches its leg. The overall integrity of the crustal structure is relatively unaffected.



      However, if the agitation is simply unbearable, some Beings in a given area may abandon their posts or lay down and curl up in order to seek relief from what's troubling them. This can have dramatic effects on the earth above.



      Here we can see how two plates begin to shift apart from one another:



      enter image description here



      When this happens, the crust cracks open and a chasm is formed. Should this happen in an inland area, the result be something akin to the Great Rift Valley in Africa. When it happens under the ocean, it's like the Mid-Atlantic Rift.



      But when it happens in a zone of land near the sea, the resulting inflow of water into the chasm results in the sudden evolution of a bay or narrow strait.



      Below we can see that the fissure has opened up wide and several deformational factors have caused the surrounding land to sink somewhat.



      enter image description here



      This results in catastrophic erosion of mountains or hill country and an increase in localised volcanism.



      The continent splitting rift, opening as it does into the distant ocean, now fills with water.



      Deep down, an emergency scaffold has been placed upon a mantle plume to support the cooling plug that underlies the new Strait. Also, the underlying forces are Not Amused by the abuse to their senses, and may remain agitated for some time to come, as evidenced by residual volcanism, poisonous outgassing and etc. But at least the warring tribes are now safely separated for several generations until they can invent boats or bridges or long range catapults!



      enter image description here






      share|improve this answer










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        $begingroup$
        @Criggie -- The illustrations were made for this answer, but they also illustrate an event from an actual world.
        $endgroup$
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        Jul 15 at 1:23






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        @elemtilas great answer + art
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        Jul 15 at 1:41













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      $begingroup$

      Yes, and it can happen extremely quickly!



      For example, there is the process of Rapid Non-Catastrophic Tectonic Shift. There are, as the geologers know, deep under this world, gigantic Beings whose atlantean job it is to uold up the surface world, the continents and the oceans, so that they won't sink down into the molten layer deep below.



      enter image description here



      Whenever these great Beings become annoyed or agitated, that they began to shift about most uncomfortably. Usually, the result is an ordinary earthquake. These occur when one of the Beings shifts its shoulders or scratches its leg. The overall integrity of the crustal structure is relatively unaffected.



      However, if the agitation is simply unbearable, some Beings in a given area may abandon their posts or lay down and curl up in order to seek relief from what's troubling them. This can have dramatic effects on the earth above.



      Here we can see how two plates begin to shift apart from one another:



      enter image description here



      When this happens, the crust cracks open and a chasm is formed. Should this happen in an inland area, the result be something akin to the Great Rift Valley in Africa. When it happens under the ocean, it's like the Mid-Atlantic Rift.



      But when it happens in a zone of land near the sea, the resulting inflow of water into the chasm results in the sudden evolution of a bay or narrow strait.



      Below we can see that the fissure has opened up wide and several deformational factors have caused the surrounding land to sink somewhat.



      enter image description here



      This results in catastrophic erosion of mountains or hill country and an increase in localised volcanism.



      The continent splitting rift, opening as it does into the distant ocean, now fills with water.



      Deep down, an emergency scaffold has been placed upon a mantle plume to support the cooling plug that underlies the new Strait. Also, the underlying forces are Not Amused by the abuse to their senses, and may remain agitated for some time to come, as evidenced by residual volcanism, poisonous outgassing and etc. But at least the warring tribes are now safely separated for several generations until they can invent boats or bridges or long range catapults!



      enter image description here






      share|improve this answer










      $endgroup$



      Yes, and it can happen extremely quickly!



      For example, there is the process of Rapid Non-Catastrophic Tectonic Shift. There are, as the geologers know, deep under this world, gigantic Beings whose atlantean job it is to uold up the surface world, the continents and the oceans, so that they won't sink down into the molten layer deep below.



      enter image description here



      Whenever these great Beings become annoyed or agitated, that they began to shift about most uncomfortably. Usually, the result is an ordinary earthquake. These occur when one of the Beings shifts its shoulders or scratches its leg. The overall integrity of the crustal structure is relatively unaffected.



      However, if the agitation is simply unbearable, some Beings in a given area may abandon their posts or lay down and curl up in order to seek relief from what's troubling them. This can have dramatic effects on the earth above.



      Here we can see how two plates begin to shift apart from one another:



      enter image description here



      When this happens, the crust cracks open and a chasm is formed. Should this happen in an inland area, the result be something akin to the Great Rift Valley in Africa. When it happens under the ocean, it's like the Mid-Atlantic Rift.



      But when it happens in a zone of land near the sea, the resulting inflow of water into the chasm results in the sudden evolution of a bay or narrow strait.



      Below we can see that the fissure has opened up wide and several deformational factors have caused the surrounding land to sink somewhat.



      enter image description here



      This results in catastrophic erosion of mountains or hill country and an increase in localised volcanism.



      The continent splitting rift, opening as it does into the distant ocean, now fills with water.



      Deep down, an emergency scaffold has been placed upon a mantle plume to support the cooling plug that underlies the new Strait. Also, the underlying forces are Not Amused by the abuse to their senses, and may remain agitated for some time to come, as evidenced by residual volcanism, poisonous outgassing and etc. But at least the warring tribes are now safely separated for several generations until they can invent boats or bridges or long range catapults!



      enter image description here







      share|improve this answer













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        @elemtilas great answer + art
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      A meteor strike.



      enter image description here




      Meteor Crater formed in a fraction of a second as 175 million tons of
      limestone and bedrock were uplifted, forming the mile-wide crater rim
      in the formerly flat terrain. The meteorite was only 150 ft. wide. For
      a sense of scale, if this hit Kansas City, the blast radius would take
      out the entire city. (ref)




      Now, in this example, Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona USA, the crater is not quite a mile wide (0.737 miles, 1.186 km), so it's very easy to traverse. But not at first.



      Imagine this happens in an area with forests or other vegetation that catches on fire. Imagine that settlements in the middle of this large community were wiped out in an instant. And remember that the blast radius here is huge.




      Using scaling relationships determined from nuclear explosions, the
      radial extent of the air blast produced by the Meteor Crater impact
      event is estimated. The wind velocity at a distance of 5 crater radii
      (3 km) from the point of impact should have exceeded 2000 km/h.
      Hurricane force winds would have existed as far away as 20 to 40 km,
      depending on the exact explosive energy of the impact event. To
      determine how this event may have affected the environment surrounding
      the crater, the topography, vegetation, and animal life that existed
      at the time of the impact are reconstructed. For example, if the
      coniferous woodlands were 100 m lower than they are presently and they
      had moved farther out onto the plains, then the air blast would have
      flattened trees within a 16 to 22 km radius of the point of impact and
      damaged them over an area of 4100 to 8500 km2. The distance over which
      the damage occurred may have been up to 2× larger in some directions
      around the crater because of additional effects produced by the
      ballistic shock wave. (ref)




      So sure, it's a simple trip now, but a blast that flattens trees up to 22 kilometers (13.5 miles) away, would easily be enough to separate a community for generations.



      The stories they must have! And the fear of going anywhere near it. How could they know it wouldn't happen again? Maybe they'd know the impact came from the sky (if it was during the day and if the stories remember that bit), maybe not. Were the Gods angry at them for building villages in that location? Or is there some evil lurking under the surface ready to destroy any fools who venture too near?



      If the cultures on either side of this were already at war, I think this would seal the deal. War over. Okay, let's go that way from now on.



      If you want water separating them, a meteor crater could could land in such a way to turn a passible river into an impassible one. Or at least one that's more trouble than it's worth. In 10-20 years when the trees have grown back and people get curious, the river could have swelled. But you don't really need a water barrier to have a psychological one. Who wants to go near that place again?



      Add in some geographical features like a mountain range or a waterless desert if you want to make going around even harder. Set it up however you wish.



      Creating a storyline with a natural phenomenon dividing people in less than a week, lasting for generations, is quite doable. With the right geography, politics, technological level, and so forth, it's very reasonable.






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        People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 13 at 19:47






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        @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 13 at 23:58






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
        $endgroup$
        – Borgh
        Jul 15 at 12:03






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
        $endgroup$
        – Colin Young
        Jul 15 at 13:15










      • $begingroup$
        @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 15 at 14:26















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      $begingroup$

      A meteor strike.



      enter image description here




      Meteor Crater formed in a fraction of a second as 175 million tons of
      limestone and bedrock were uplifted, forming the mile-wide crater rim
      in the formerly flat terrain. The meteorite was only 150 ft. wide. For
      a sense of scale, if this hit Kansas City, the blast radius would take
      out the entire city. (ref)




      Now, in this example, Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona USA, the crater is not quite a mile wide (0.737 miles, 1.186 km), so it's very easy to traverse. But not at first.



      Imagine this happens in an area with forests or other vegetation that catches on fire. Imagine that settlements in the middle of this large community were wiped out in an instant. And remember that the blast radius here is huge.




      Using scaling relationships determined from nuclear explosions, the
      radial extent of the air blast produced by the Meteor Crater impact
      event is estimated. The wind velocity at a distance of 5 crater radii
      (3 km) from the point of impact should have exceeded 2000 km/h.
      Hurricane force winds would have existed as far away as 20 to 40 km,
      depending on the exact explosive energy of the impact event. To
      determine how this event may have affected the environment surrounding
      the crater, the topography, vegetation, and animal life that existed
      at the time of the impact are reconstructed. For example, if the
      coniferous woodlands were 100 m lower than they are presently and they
      had moved farther out onto the plains, then the air blast would have
      flattened trees within a 16 to 22 km radius of the point of impact and
      damaged them over an area of 4100 to 8500 km2. The distance over which
      the damage occurred may have been up to 2× larger in some directions
      around the crater because of additional effects produced by the
      ballistic shock wave. (ref)




      So sure, it's a simple trip now, but a blast that flattens trees up to 22 kilometers (13.5 miles) away, would easily be enough to separate a community for generations.



      The stories they must have! And the fear of going anywhere near it. How could they know it wouldn't happen again? Maybe they'd know the impact came from the sky (if it was during the day and if the stories remember that bit), maybe not. Were the Gods angry at them for building villages in that location? Or is there some evil lurking under the surface ready to destroy any fools who venture too near?



      If the cultures on either side of this were already at war, I think this would seal the deal. War over. Okay, let's go that way from now on.



      If you want water separating them, a meteor crater could could land in such a way to turn a passible river into an impassible one. Or at least one that's more trouble than it's worth. In 10-20 years when the trees have grown back and people get curious, the river could have swelled. But you don't really need a water barrier to have a psychological one. Who wants to go near that place again?



      Add in some geographical features like a mountain range or a waterless desert if you want to make going around even harder. Set it up however you wish.



      Creating a storyline with a natural phenomenon dividing people in less than a week, lasting for generations, is quite doable. With the right geography, politics, technological level, and so forth, it's very reasonable.






      share|improve this answer










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      • 1




        $begingroup$
        People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 13 at 19:47






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 13 at 23:58






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
        $endgroup$
        – Borgh
        Jul 15 at 12:03






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
        $endgroup$
        – Colin Young
        Jul 15 at 13:15










      • $begingroup$
        @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 15 at 14:26













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      $begingroup$

      A meteor strike.



      enter image description here




      Meteor Crater formed in a fraction of a second as 175 million tons of
      limestone and bedrock were uplifted, forming the mile-wide crater rim
      in the formerly flat terrain. The meteorite was only 150 ft. wide. For
      a sense of scale, if this hit Kansas City, the blast radius would take
      out the entire city. (ref)




      Now, in this example, Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona USA, the crater is not quite a mile wide (0.737 miles, 1.186 km), so it's very easy to traverse. But not at first.



      Imagine this happens in an area with forests or other vegetation that catches on fire. Imagine that settlements in the middle of this large community were wiped out in an instant. And remember that the blast radius here is huge.




      Using scaling relationships determined from nuclear explosions, the
      radial extent of the air blast produced by the Meteor Crater impact
      event is estimated. The wind velocity at a distance of 5 crater radii
      (3 km) from the point of impact should have exceeded 2000 km/h.
      Hurricane force winds would have existed as far away as 20 to 40 km,
      depending on the exact explosive energy of the impact event. To
      determine how this event may have affected the environment surrounding
      the crater, the topography, vegetation, and animal life that existed
      at the time of the impact are reconstructed. For example, if the
      coniferous woodlands were 100 m lower than they are presently and they
      had moved farther out onto the plains, then the air blast would have
      flattened trees within a 16 to 22 km radius of the point of impact and
      damaged them over an area of 4100 to 8500 km2. The distance over which
      the damage occurred may have been up to 2× larger in some directions
      around the crater because of additional effects produced by the
      ballistic shock wave. (ref)




      So sure, it's a simple trip now, but a blast that flattens trees up to 22 kilometers (13.5 miles) away, would easily be enough to separate a community for generations.



      The stories they must have! And the fear of going anywhere near it. How could they know it wouldn't happen again? Maybe they'd know the impact came from the sky (if it was during the day and if the stories remember that bit), maybe not. Were the Gods angry at them for building villages in that location? Or is there some evil lurking under the surface ready to destroy any fools who venture too near?



      If the cultures on either side of this were already at war, I think this would seal the deal. War over. Okay, let's go that way from now on.



      If you want water separating them, a meteor crater could could land in such a way to turn a passible river into an impassible one. Or at least one that's more trouble than it's worth. In 10-20 years when the trees have grown back and people get curious, the river could have swelled. But you don't really need a water barrier to have a psychological one. Who wants to go near that place again?



      Add in some geographical features like a mountain range or a waterless desert if you want to make going around even harder. Set it up however you wish.



      Creating a storyline with a natural phenomenon dividing people in less than a week, lasting for generations, is quite doable. With the right geography, politics, technological level, and so forth, it's very reasonable.






      share|improve this answer










      $endgroup$



      A meteor strike.



      enter image description here




      Meteor Crater formed in a fraction of a second as 175 million tons of
      limestone and bedrock were uplifted, forming the mile-wide crater rim
      in the formerly flat terrain. The meteorite was only 150 ft. wide. For
      a sense of scale, if this hit Kansas City, the blast radius would take
      out the entire city. (ref)




      Now, in this example, Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona USA, the crater is not quite a mile wide (0.737 miles, 1.186 km), so it's very easy to traverse. But not at first.



      Imagine this happens in an area with forests or other vegetation that catches on fire. Imagine that settlements in the middle of this large community were wiped out in an instant. And remember that the blast radius here is huge.




      Using scaling relationships determined from nuclear explosions, the
      radial extent of the air blast produced by the Meteor Crater impact
      event is estimated. The wind velocity at a distance of 5 crater radii
      (3 km) from the point of impact should have exceeded 2000 km/h.
      Hurricane force winds would have existed as far away as 20 to 40 km,
      depending on the exact explosive energy of the impact event. To
      determine how this event may have affected the environment surrounding
      the crater, the topography, vegetation, and animal life that existed
      at the time of the impact are reconstructed. For example, if the
      coniferous woodlands were 100 m lower than they are presently and they
      had moved farther out onto the plains, then the air blast would have
      flattened trees within a 16 to 22 km radius of the point of impact and
      damaged them over an area of 4100 to 8500 km2. The distance over which
      the damage occurred may have been up to 2× larger in some directions
      around the crater because of additional effects produced by the
      ballistic shock wave. (ref)




      So sure, it's a simple trip now, but a blast that flattens trees up to 22 kilometers (13.5 miles) away, would easily be enough to separate a community for generations.



      The stories they must have! And the fear of going anywhere near it. How could they know it wouldn't happen again? Maybe they'd know the impact came from the sky (if it was during the day and if the stories remember that bit), maybe not. Were the Gods angry at them for building villages in that location? Or is there some evil lurking under the surface ready to destroy any fools who venture too near?



      If the cultures on either side of this were already at war, I think this would seal the deal. War over. Okay, let's go that way from now on.



      If you want water separating them, a meteor crater could could land in such a way to turn a passible river into an impassible one. Or at least one that's more trouble than it's worth. In 10-20 years when the trees have grown back and people get curious, the river could have swelled. But you don't really need a water barrier to have a psychological one. Who wants to go near that place again?



      Add in some geographical features like a mountain range or a waterless desert if you want to make going around even harder. Set it up however you wish.



      Creating a storyline with a natural phenomenon dividing people in less than a week, lasting for generations, is quite doable. With the right geography, politics, technological level, and so forth, it's very reasonable.







      share|improve this answer













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        $begingroup$
        People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 13 at 19:47






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 13 at 23:58






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
        $endgroup$
        – Borgh
        Jul 15 at 12:03






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
        $endgroup$
        – Colin Young
        Jul 15 at 13:15










      • $begingroup$
        @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 15 at 14:26












      • 1




        $begingroup$
        People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
        $endgroup$
        – John
        Jul 13 at 19:47






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 13 at 23:58






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
        $endgroup$
        – Borgh
        Jul 15 at 12:03






      • 2




        $begingroup$
        Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
        $endgroup$
        – Colin Young
        Jul 15 at 13:15










      • $begingroup$
        @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
        $endgroup$
        – Cyn says reinstate Monica
        Jul 15 at 14:26







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      $begingroup$
      People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 13 at 19:47




      $begingroup$
      People will spread back across it within a few generations, Oral memory is just not that powerful.
      $endgroup$
      – John
      Jul 13 at 19:47




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      1




      $begingroup$
      @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
      $endgroup$
      – Cyn says reinstate Monica
      Jul 13 at 23:58




      $begingroup$
      @John exactly. The OP wanted something that will keep the groups apart for "many generations." Not forever. If her/his version of "many" is more than mine, just use the variation I proposed where the crater blocks immediate passage and there are geographic features (like a mountain range) that make it difficult on either side, so going around isn't impossible but why bother, especially given those spooky stories.
      $endgroup$
      – Cyn says reinstate Monica
      Jul 13 at 23:58




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      $begingroup$
      You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
      $endgroup$
      – Borgh
      Jul 15 at 12:03




      $begingroup$
      You could have a river in a deep and steep canyon, with one stretch where the canyon is climbable and the river fordable. Then a small metorite obliterates that exact part of the canyon wall and the falling debris turns that exact stretch of river into whitewater.
      $endgroup$
      – Borgh
      Jul 15 at 12:03




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      $begingroup$
      Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
      $endgroup$
      – Colin Young
      Jul 15 at 13:15




      $begingroup$
      Oral memory could easily span several generations: scientificamerican.com/article/…. One possible issue with a meteor/asteroid impact is the scale of destruction, but a chance hit to a hilly isthmus could require a small enough impactor to be practical.
      $endgroup$
      – Colin Young
      Jul 15 at 13:15












      $begingroup$
      @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
      $endgroup$
      – Cyn says reinstate Monica
      Jul 15 at 14:26




      $begingroup$
      @ColinYoung and Borgh, yep yep. It's the OP's story and a meteor has to hit somewhere, so, if s/he chooses this plotline, it can hit the ground in just the precise way needed to cause the societal changes s/he wants.
      $endgroup$
      – Cyn says reinstate Monica
      Jul 15 at 14:26











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      Megaflood from melting ice dam.



      When glaciers melt, huge amounts of water can pile up behind ice dams. When those dams give way the water comes out. Fast. Supposedly the Hudson River valley was carved in a couple of weeks. I am glad I was not there at the time.



      https://io9.gizmodo.com/ancient-flood-myths-may-have-a-basis-in-geological-hist-5940112




      There is now compelling evidence for many gigantic ancient floods
      where glacial ice dams failed time and again: At the end of the last
      glaciation, some 10,000 years ago, giant ice-dammed lakes in Eurasia
      and North America repeatedly produced huge floods. In Siberia, rivers
      spilled over drainage divides and changed their courses. England's
      fate as an island was sealed by erosion from glacial floods that
      carved the English Channel. These were not global deluges as described
      in the Genesis story of Noah, but were more focused catastrophic
      floods taking place throughout the world. They likely inspired stories
      like Noah's in many cultures, passed down through generations.




      Your continent had such a flood. A huge amount of water rushed thru low points, wearing them away. Once it was done, the land may have been eroded low enough for the ocean to come up a fair ways along the course of the flood. What was one landmass has become two.



      Yeah, I took my own answer from here
      How might a naturally-occuring geographical barrier between two areas *suddenly* become permeable so that a few people can cross it?



      But the questions are not really duplicates I don't think.






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        The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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        – AlexP
        Jul 13 at 17:04







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        @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
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        @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
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        – jamesqf
        Jul 15 at 20:28










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        @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
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        – Keith Morrison
        Jul 15 at 20:59










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        @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
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        – jamesqf
        Jul 16 at 6:51















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      $begingroup$

      Megaflood from melting ice dam.



      When glaciers melt, huge amounts of water can pile up behind ice dams. When those dams give way the water comes out. Fast. Supposedly the Hudson River valley was carved in a couple of weeks. I am glad I was not there at the time.



      https://io9.gizmodo.com/ancient-flood-myths-may-have-a-basis-in-geological-hist-5940112




      There is now compelling evidence for many gigantic ancient floods
      where glacial ice dams failed time and again: At the end of the last
      glaciation, some 10,000 years ago, giant ice-dammed lakes in Eurasia
      and North America repeatedly produced huge floods. In Siberia, rivers
      spilled over drainage divides and changed their courses. England's
      fate as an island was sealed by erosion from glacial floods that
      carved the English Channel. These were not global deluges as described
      in the Genesis story of Noah, but were more focused catastrophic
      floods taking place throughout the world. They likely inspired stories
      like Noah's in many cultures, passed down through generations.




      Your continent had such a flood. A huge amount of water rushed thru low points, wearing them away. Once it was done, the land may have been eroded low enough for the ocean to come up a fair ways along the course of the flood. What was one landmass has become two.



      Yeah, I took my own answer from here
      How might a naturally-occuring geographical barrier between two areas *suddenly* become permeable so that a few people can cross it?



      But the questions are not really duplicates I don't think.






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      • 1




        $begingroup$
        The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
        $endgroup$
        – AlexP
        Jul 13 at 17:04







      • 1




        $begingroup$
        @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
        $endgroup$
        – jwenting
        Jul 15 at 4:54










      • $begingroup$
        @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
        $endgroup$
        – jamesqf
        Jul 15 at 20:28










      • $begingroup$
        @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
        $endgroup$
        – Keith Morrison
        Jul 15 at 20:59










      • $begingroup$
        @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
        $endgroup$
        – jamesqf
        Jul 16 at 6:51













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      Megaflood from melting ice dam.



      When glaciers melt, huge amounts of water can pile up behind ice dams. When those dams give way the water comes out. Fast. Supposedly the Hudson River valley was carved in a couple of weeks. I am glad I was not there at the time.



      https://io9.gizmodo.com/ancient-flood-myths-may-have-a-basis-in-geological-hist-5940112




      There is now compelling evidence for many gigantic ancient floods
      where glacial ice dams failed time and again: At the end of the last
      glaciation, some 10,000 years ago, giant ice-dammed lakes in Eurasia
      and North America repeatedly produced huge floods. In Siberia, rivers
      spilled over drainage divides and changed their courses. England's
      fate as an island was sealed by erosion from glacial floods that
      carved the English Channel. These were not global deluges as described
      in the Genesis story of Noah, but were more focused catastrophic
      floods taking place throughout the world. They likely inspired stories
      like Noah's in many cultures, passed down through generations.




      Your continent had such a flood. A huge amount of water rushed thru low points, wearing them away. Once it was done, the land may have been eroded low enough for the ocean to come up a fair ways along the course of the flood. What was one landmass has become two.



      Yeah, I took my own answer from here
      How might a naturally-occuring geographical barrier between two areas *suddenly* become permeable so that a few people can cross it?



      But the questions are not really duplicates I don't think.






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      Megaflood from melting ice dam.



      When glaciers melt, huge amounts of water can pile up behind ice dams. When those dams give way the water comes out. Fast. Supposedly the Hudson River valley was carved in a couple of weeks. I am glad I was not there at the time.



      https://io9.gizmodo.com/ancient-flood-myths-may-have-a-basis-in-geological-hist-5940112




      There is now compelling evidence for many gigantic ancient floods
      where glacial ice dams failed time and again: At the end of the last
      glaciation, some 10,000 years ago, giant ice-dammed lakes in Eurasia
      and North America repeatedly produced huge floods. In Siberia, rivers
      spilled over drainage divides and changed their courses. England's
      fate as an island was sealed by erosion from glacial floods that
      carved the English Channel. These were not global deluges as described
      in the Genesis story of Noah, but were more focused catastrophic
      floods taking place throughout the world. They likely inspired stories
      like Noah's in many cultures, passed down through generations.




      Your continent had such a flood. A huge amount of water rushed thru low points, wearing them away. Once it was done, the land may have been eroded low enough for the ocean to come up a fair ways along the course of the flood. What was one landmass has become two.



      Yeah, I took my own answer from here
      How might a naturally-occuring geographical barrier between two areas *suddenly* become permeable so that a few people can cross it?



      But the questions are not really duplicates I don't think.







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        The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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        @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
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        @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
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        @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
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        @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
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        The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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        @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
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        @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
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        @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
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        @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
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      The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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      Jul 13 at 17:04





      $begingroup$
      The question requires that the pieces be separated by a great distance, so that the cultures become isolated "for generations". I'm pretty sure that even pre-Columbian Indians had means to cross the Hudson River in considerable less than a lifetime.
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      @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
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      @AlexP that'd depend on the level of technology available to them. At our level, the English channel is no problem for example, for stone age Europeans it was a near impassible barrier (of course current also has something to do with that).
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      @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
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      @jwenting: WRT the Hudson River, any halfway decent swimmer could make it across. Also consider that these glacial outburst floods don't last - hours to weeks at the most.
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      @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
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      – Keith Morrison
      Jul 15 at 20:59




      $begingroup$
      @jwenting, Homo erectus (or an even earlier species) crossed a 12 mile strait to get to what would become the island of Flores and evolve into Homo florensis over 700,000 years ago. There's evidence of stone tools and butchered animals remains 700,000 years old in the Phillippines (which never had land bridge to the mainland). Crete has stone tools about 130,000 years old, and may be pre-human hominid in origin. Australia was colonized about 60,000 years ago. The idea the English channel was impassable is laughable.
      $endgroup$
      – Keith Morrison
      Jul 15 at 20:59












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      @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
      $endgroup$
      – jamesqf
      Jul 16 at 6:51




      $begingroup$
      @Keith Morrison: Not just laughable, but demonstrably false, since Neolithic contacts between Britain and the continent are shown by cultural similarities (e.g. stone circles), genetic evidence, &c.
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      With a long, deep valley I think it's entirely possible for erosion to gradually chip away at one end, until there's the equivalent of a dam breaking, and a river changes course to flood the valley and probably even increasing the size of the rift with debris being swept away and sudden erosion taking out the banks. Depending on geography it could be the ocean flooding in as well, I suppose. You could feasibly end up with something like the Grand Canyon, which could be possible to cross with enough work (bridges, climbing down and rafting over, etc,) but it would take a lot of work and risk, so unless there's something like a major food source on the other side people probably wouldn't bother.



      Depending on how long it is and where the other end is it will probably still be possible to walk around, but it might take weeks or months, and as with going over that's a big commitment of time and resources.






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        With a long, deep valley I think it's entirely possible for erosion to gradually chip away at one end, until there's the equivalent of a dam breaking, and a river changes course to flood the valley and probably even increasing the size of the rift with debris being swept away and sudden erosion taking out the banks. Depending on geography it could be the ocean flooding in as well, I suppose. You could feasibly end up with something like the Grand Canyon, which could be possible to cross with enough work (bridges, climbing down and rafting over, etc,) but it would take a lot of work and risk, so unless there's something like a major food source on the other side people probably wouldn't bother.



        Depending on how long it is and where the other end is it will probably still be possible to walk around, but it might take weeks or months, and as with going over that's a big commitment of time and resources.






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          With a long, deep valley I think it's entirely possible for erosion to gradually chip away at one end, until there's the equivalent of a dam breaking, and a river changes course to flood the valley and probably even increasing the size of the rift with debris being swept away and sudden erosion taking out the banks. Depending on geography it could be the ocean flooding in as well, I suppose. You could feasibly end up with something like the Grand Canyon, which could be possible to cross with enough work (bridges, climbing down and rafting over, etc,) but it would take a lot of work and risk, so unless there's something like a major food source on the other side people probably wouldn't bother.



          Depending on how long it is and where the other end is it will probably still be possible to walk around, but it might take weeks or months, and as with going over that's a big commitment of time and resources.






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          With a long, deep valley I think it's entirely possible for erosion to gradually chip away at one end, until there's the equivalent of a dam breaking, and a river changes course to flood the valley and probably even increasing the size of the rift with debris being swept away and sudden erosion taking out the banks. Depending on geography it could be the ocean flooding in as well, I suppose. You could feasibly end up with something like the Grand Canyon, which could be possible to cross with enough work (bridges, climbing down and rafting over, etc,) but it would take a lot of work and risk, so unless there's something like a major food source on the other side people probably wouldn't bother.



          Depending on how long it is and where the other end is it will probably still be possible to walk around, but it might take weeks or months, and as with going over that's a big commitment of time and resources.







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              In my opinion, it would be impossible for a continent to split apart and the two parts move far enough away to separate two warring tribes, nations, or civilizations within a short time, a time so short that the war would not have ended one way or another long before the separation process was completed.



              One way to get around that would be to have two separate continents that were connected by a land bridge. There is a chain of islands between them and during a glacial period the islands are all covered with ice sheets but the sea level is so low that enough of the seabed between the islands is both exposed and ice free that a land path winds between the glaciers. The land path might be narrow in some places but wide enough in other places for lush and bountiful lowlands that might be the best lands on the planet at the moment, well worth fighting over.



              So during a interglacial period seawater flows between the separate islands from one ocean to another and the waters of those oceans mix and tend to have similar temperatures. So the colder ocean stays warm enough to stay ice free and the dark water adsorb more solar heat than ice would, thus keeping that ocean warmer still, and reinforcing the interglacial period.



              But during a glacial period seawater cannot flow through the land bridge from one ocean to another and the waters of one of those oceans gets colder and colder and it fills up with pack ice, lowering temperatures worldwide and reinforcing the glacial period.



              During a glacial period the two continents will seem like one continent to land dwellers even if technically the two continents are separated by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles. The two different cultures will expand in opposite directions through the land bridge until they meet and fight over control of one or more of the large lush lowlands on the exposed seabed - which of course they don't know is exposed seabed.



              And possibly both cultures are landlubbers who don't have any experience sailing the seas.



              Then a vast volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact destroys a narrow section of the land bridge. The after effects might possibly trigger an even stronger glaciation, so that the entire area of the land bridge becomes buried under an ice sheet and impassable for centuries or millennia.



              Or the after effects might possibly trigger some degree of global warming. Ice sheet may melt and raise sea levels. And with a part of the lowlands devastated and at a lower level, water can now pass through the former land bridge from the warmer ocean to the cooler ocean, raising the water temperature in the cooler ocean and melting ice on and around that ocean, raising sea levels and adsorbing more solar heat to melt more ice and raise sea levels even more, and so on.



              By the time the after effects are over and people of the two cultures on the two continents begin to return to the devastated lands of the land bridge, the entire land bridge might be flooded by the rising sea levels, and possibly the nearest islands in the island chain will be out of sight of land. Then the two cultures on the two continents will be separated until one of them develops ships and learns how to sail between continents.



              Another possibility would be the opposite, having two cultures that live on land, but have fishing and seaborne trade as important parts of their economy, so never explore or settle more that a few dozen miles from the ocean.



              And possibly two different oceans that the two different cultures live on the shores and islands of are separated by two great land masses with only a winding, narrow, strait connecting those oceans. The climate may be bleak and inhospitable at the strait and near it, so nobody settles there to live, but powerful societies might build forts and station fleets there, and supply them with food and water, etc. from elsewhere, to control the vital trade from one ocean to another. So that would explain the war between societies in the two oceans.



              Then a volcano erupts in the strait and pours out many cubic miles of lava that solidifies and block the entire strait. Then it will be impossible from people from the two oceans to ever meet again, until someone finds another passage between the oceans through even less hospitable land, or another volcanic event blows away the plug in the strait, or one of the cultures begins to explore and travel long distances on land.



              Or possibly there is an asteroid strike somewhere in the planet, that causes a glaciation, with icecaps forming and sea levels falling. All the port cities will have to move closer to the receding shores as the sea levels drop. And possibly the strait will become dry land as sea levels fall. and if the continental shelf around the strait is flat enough, the exposed land blocking the strait could be hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles wide.






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                In my opinion, it would be impossible for a continent to split apart and the two parts move far enough away to separate two warring tribes, nations, or civilizations within a short time, a time so short that the war would not have ended one way or another long before the separation process was completed.



                One way to get around that would be to have two separate continents that were connected by a land bridge. There is a chain of islands between them and during a glacial period the islands are all covered with ice sheets but the sea level is so low that enough of the seabed between the islands is both exposed and ice free that a land path winds between the glaciers. The land path might be narrow in some places but wide enough in other places for lush and bountiful lowlands that might be the best lands on the planet at the moment, well worth fighting over.



                So during a interglacial period seawater flows between the separate islands from one ocean to another and the waters of those oceans mix and tend to have similar temperatures. So the colder ocean stays warm enough to stay ice free and the dark water adsorb more solar heat than ice would, thus keeping that ocean warmer still, and reinforcing the interglacial period.



                But during a glacial period seawater cannot flow through the land bridge from one ocean to another and the waters of one of those oceans gets colder and colder and it fills up with pack ice, lowering temperatures worldwide and reinforcing the glacial period.



                During a glacial period the two continents will seem like one continent to land dwellers even if technically the two continents are separated by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles. The two different cultures will expand in opposite directions through the land bridge until they meet and fight over control of one or more of the large lush lowlands on the exposed seabed - which of course they don't know is exposed seabed.



                And possibly both cultures are landlubbers who don't have any experience sailing the seas.



                Then a vast volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact destroys a narrow section of the land bridge. The after effects might possibly trigger an even stronger glaciation, so that the entire area of the land bridge becomes buried under an ice sheet and impassable for centuries or millennia.



                Or the after effects might possibly trigger some degree of global warming. Ice sheet may melt and raise sea levels. And with a part of the lowlands devastated and at a lower level, water can now pass through the former land bridge from the warmer ocean to the cooler ocean, raising the water temperature in the cooler ocean and melting ice on and around that ocean, raising sea levels and adsorbing more solar heat to melt more ice and raise sea levels even more, and so on.



                By the time the after effects are over and people of the two cultures on the two continents begin to return to the devastated lands of the land bridge, the entire land bridge might be flooded by the rising sea levels, and possibly the nearest islands in the island chain will be out of sight of land. Then the two cultures on the two continents will be separated until one of them develops ships and learns how to sail between continents.



                Another possibility would be the opposite, having two cultures that live on land, but have fishing and seaborne trade as important parts of their economy, so never explore or settle more that a few dozen miles from the ocean.



                And possibly two different oceans that the two different cultures live on the shores and islands of are separated by two great land masses with only a winding, narrow, strait connecting those oceans. The climate may be bleak and inhospitable at the strait and near it, so nobody settles there to live, but powerful societies might build forts and station fleets there, and supply them with food and water, etc. from elsewhere, to control the vital trade from one ocean to another. So that would explain the war between societies in the two oceans.



                Then a volcano erupts in the strait and pours out many cubic miles of lava that solidifies and block the entire strait. Then it will be impossible from people from the two oceans to ever meet again, until someone finds another passage between the oceans through even less hospitable land, or another volcanic event blows away the plug in the strait, or one of the cultures begins to explore and travel long distances on land.



                Or possibly there is an asteroid strike somewhere in the planet, that causes a glaciation, with icecaps forming and sea levels falling. All the port cities will have to move closer to the receding shores as the sea levels drop. And possibly the strait will become dry land as sea levels fall. and if the continental shelf around the strait is flat enough, the exposed land blocking the strait could be hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles wide.






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                  In my opinion, it would be impossible for a continent to split apart and the two parts move far enough away to separate two warring tribes, nations, or civilizations within a short time, a time so short that the war would not have ended one way or another long before the separation process was completed.



                  One way to get around that would be to have two separate continents that were connected by a land bridge. There is a chain of islands between them and during a glacial period the islands are all covered with ice sheets but the sea level is so low that enough of the seabed between the islands is both exposed and ice free that a land path winds between the glaciers. The land path might be narrow in some places but wide enough in other places for lush and bountiful lowlands that might be the best lands on the planet at the moment, well worth fighting over.



                  So during a interglacial period seawater flows between the separate islands from one ocean to another and the waters of those oceans mix and tend to have similar temperatures. So the colder ocean stays warm enough to stay ice free and the dark water adsorb more solar heat than ice would, thus keeping that ocean warmer still, and reinforcing the interglacial period.



                  But during a glacial period seawater cannot flow through the land bridge from one ocean to another and the waters of one of those oceans gets colder and colder and it fills up with pack ice, lowering temperatures worldwide and reinforcing the glacial period.



                  During a glacial period the two continents will seem like one continent to land dwellers even if technically the two continents are separated by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles. The two different cultures will expand in opposite directions through the land bridge until they meet and fight over control of one or more of the large lush lowlands on the exposed seabed - which of course they don't know is exposed seabed.



                  And possibly both cultures are landlubbers who don't have any experience sailing the seas.



                  Then a vast volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact destroys a narrow section of the land bridge. The after effects might possibly trigger an even stronger glaciation, so that the entire area of the land bridge becomes buried under an ice sheet and impassable for centuries or millennia.



                  Or the after effects might possibly trigger some degree of global warming. Ice sheet may melt and raise sea levels. And with a part of the lowlands devastated and at a lower level, water can now pass through the former land bridge from the warmer ocean to the cooler ocean, raising the water temperature in the cooler ocean and melting ice on and around that ocean, raising sea levels and adsorbing more solar heat to melt more ice and raise sea levels even more, and so on.



                  By the time the after effects are over and people of the two cultures on the two continents begin to return to the devastated lands of the land bridge, the entire land bridge might be flooded by the rising sea levels, and possibly the nearest islands in the island chain will be out of sight of land. Then the two cultures on the two continents will be separated until one of them develops ships and learns how to sail between continents.



                  Another possibility would be the opposite, having two cultures that live on land, but have fishing and seaborne trade as important parts of their economy, so never explore or settle more that a few dozen miles from the ocean.



                  And possibly two different oceans that the two different cultures live on the shores and islands of are separated by two great land masses with only a winding, narrow, strait connecting those oceans. The climate may be bleak and inhospitable at the strait and near it, so nobody settles there to live, but powerful societies might build forts and station fleets there, and supply them with food and water, etc. from elsewhere, to control the vital trade from one ocean to another. So that would explain the war between societies in the two oceans.



                  Then a volcano erupts in the strait and pours out many cubic miles of lava that solidifies and block the entire strait. Then it will be impossible from people from the two oceans to ever meet again, until someone finds another passage between the oceans through even less hospitable land, or another volcanic event blows away the plug in the strait, or one of the cultures begins to explore and travel long distances on land.



                  Or possibly there is an asteroid strike somewhere in the planet, that causes a glaciation, with icecaps forming and sea levels falling. All the port cities will have to move closer to the receding shores as the sea levels drop. And possibly the strait will become dry land as sea levels fall. and if the continental shelf around the strait is flat enough, the exposed land blocking the strait could be hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles wide.






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                  In my opinion, it would be impossible for a continent to split apart and the two parts move far enough away to separate two warring tribes, nations, or civilizations within a short time, a time so short that the war would not have ended one way or another long before the separation process was completed.



                  One way to get around that would be to have two separate continents that were connected by a land bridge. There is a chain of islands between them and during a glacial period the islands are all covered with ice sheets but the sea level is so low that enough of the seabed between the islands is both exposed and ice free that a land path winds between the glaciers. The land path might be narrow in some places but wide enough in other places for lush and bountiful lowlands that might be the best lands on the planet at the moment, well worth fighting over.



                  So during a interglacial period seawater flows between the separate islands from one ocean to another and the waters of those oceans mix and tend to have similar temperatures. So the colder ocean stays warm enough to stay ice free and the dark water adsorb more solar heat than ice would, thus keeping that ocean warmer still, and reinforcing the interglacial period.



                  But during a glacial period seawater cannot flow through the land bridge from one ocean to another and the waters of one of those oceans gets colder and colder and it fills up with pack ice, lowering temperatures worldwide and reinforcing the glacial period.



                  During a glacial period the two continents will seem like one continent to land dwellers even if technically the two continents are separated by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles. The two different cultures will expand in opposite directions through the land bridge until they meet and fight over control of one or more of the large lush lowlands on the exposed seabed - which of course they don't know is exposed seabed.



                  And possibly both cultures are landlubbers who don't have any experience sailing the seas.



                  Then a vast volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact destroys a narrow section of the land bridge. The after effects might possibly trigger an even stronger glaciation, so that the entire area of the land bridge becomes buried under an ice sheet and impassable for centuries or millennia.



                  Or the after effects might possibly trigger some degree of global warming. Ice sheet may melt and raise sea levels. And with a part of the lowlands devastated and at a lower level, water can now pass through the former land bridge from the warmer ocean to the cooler ocean, raising the water temperature in the cooler ocean and melting ice on and around that ocean, raising sea levels and adsorbing more solar heat to melt more ice and raise sea levels even more, and so on.



                  By the time the after effects are over and people of the two cultures on the two continents begin to return to the devastated lands of the land bridge, the entire land bridge might be flooded by the rising sea levels, and possibly the nearest islands in the island chain will be out of sight of land. Then the two cultures on the two continents will be separated until one of them develops ships and learns how to sail between continents.



                  Another possibility would be the opposite, having two cultures that live on land, but have fishing and seaborne trade as important parts of their economy, so never explore or settle more that a few dozen miles from the ocean.



                  And possibly two different oceans that the two different cultures live on the shores and islands of are separated by two great land masses with only a winding, narrow, strait connecting those oceans. The climate may be bleak and inhospitable at the strait and near it, so nobody settles there to live, but powerful societies might build forts and station fleets there, and supply them with food and water, etc. from elsewhere, to control the vital trade from one ocean to another. So that would explain the war between societies in the two oceans.



                  Then a volcano erupts in the strait and pours out many cubic miles of lava that solidifies and block the entire strait. Then it will be impossible from people from the two oceans to ever meet again, until someone finds another passage between the oceans through even less hospitable land, or another volcanic event blows away the plug in the strait, or one of the cultures begins to explore and travel long distances on land.



                  Or possibly there is an asteroid strike somewhere in the planet, that causes a glaciation, with icecaps forming and sea levels falling. All the port cities will have to move closer to the receding shores as the sea levels drop. And possibly the strait will become dry land as sea levels fall. and if the continental shelf around the strait is flat enough, the exposed land blocking the strait could be hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles wide.







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