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How does Ballet music differ from an Orchestral Suite of the same name?Orchestral strings disposition (numeration meaning)Where and how can a conductor require execution of orchestral pieces to a string player?What happened to the orchestral scores of Johann Strauss?Should low frequency players anticipate in orchestra?Identifying orchestral soundsDo composers take advantage of the position of players in an orchestra for effect?Orchestral Composition ProcessAdvice on arranging an orchestral work for piano duet?Non-Chromatic Orchestral Instruments?
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
orchestra
asked Jul 13 at 14:05
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
orchestra
asked Jul 13 at 14:05
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
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It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
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@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
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@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
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In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
answered Jul 13 at 14:36
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So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
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@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
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It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
1
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
1
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
|
show 2 more comments
It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered Jul 13 at 16:19
phoogphoog
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That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
1
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
1
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
|
show 2 more comments
It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered Jul 13 at 16:19
phoogphoog
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It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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answered Jul 13 at 16:19
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That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
1
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
1
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
|
show 2 more comments
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
1
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
1
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:21
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 17:22
1
1
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
Jul 13 at 19:01
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
Jul 13 at 20:07
1
1
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 20:14
|
show 2 more comments
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
answered Jul 13 at 14:36
MattPutnamMattPutnam
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So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
4
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
|
show 2 more comments
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
answered Jul 13 at 14:36
MattPutnamMattPutnam
16.4k2 gold badges37 silver badges62 bronze badges
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
4
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
|
show 2 more comments
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
answered Jul 13 at 14:36
MattPutnamMattPutnam
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In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
answered Jul 13 at 14:36
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So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
4
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
|
show 2 more comments
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
4
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 14:49
4
4
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
Jul 13 at 15:41
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
Jul 13 at 15:46
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@badjohn: Note that Matt's second paragraph refers to school, amateur, college, … orchestras, where I can indeed imagine musicians that are not needed for that particular piece being asked to play another "easy" instrument such as simple percussion.
– Jörg W Mittag
Jul 14 at 6:32
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
@JörgWMittag Indeed, as I said myself in my previous comment. I am not expecting a professional harpist to play the triangle.
– badjohn
Jul 14 at 7:37
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