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Can you really not move between grapples/shoves?
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The rule on moving between attacks specifically says:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks.
So, with a strict reading of the rules, what happens if you take an action that includes only grapples and shoves, which are not weapon attacks? Does this really prevent you from moving between them?
For example, if a Fighter with Extra Attack wanted to use it to make multiple attacks, but both (or even one) of them was planned to be a shove/grapple. Would they not be able to move between the grapples/shoves because they are not taking an action which "includes more than one weapon attack"?
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The rule on moving between attacks specifically says:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks.
So, with a strict reading of the rules, what happens if you take an action that includes only grapples and shoves, which are not weapon attacks? Does this really prevent you from moving between them?
For example, if a Fighter with Extra Attack wanted to use it to make multiple attacks, but both (or even one) of them was planned to be a shove/grapple. Would they not be able to move between the grapples/shoves because they are not taking an action which "includes more than one weapon attack"?
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The rule on moving between attacks specifically says:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks.
So, with a strict reading of the rules, what happens if you take an action that includes only grapples and shoves, which are not weapon attacks? Does this really prevent you from moving between them?
For example, if a Fighter with Extra Attack wanted to use it to make multiple attacks, but both (or even one) of them was planned to be a shove/grapple. Would they not be able to move between the grapples/shoves because they are not taking an action which "includes more than one weapon attack"?
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The rule on moving between attacks specifically says:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks.
So, with a strict reading of the rules, what happens if you take an action that includes only grapples and shoves, which are not weapon attacks? Does this really prevent you from moving between them?
For example, if a Fighter with Extra Attack wanted to use it to make multiple attacks, but both (or even one) of them was planned to be a shove/grapple. Would they not be able to move between the grapples/shoves because they are not taking an action which "includes more than one weapon attack"?
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You gain the ability to split your move before you decide to grapple/shove
The sections on grappling and shoving both include the sentence:
If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
So, if you have the Extra Attack feature, in order to make a grapple attack, you take the Attack action, which includes multiple weapon attacks, and then you replace one or more of those weapon attacks. But since you've already "taken an action that includes more than one weapon attack", you can move between those attacks. Or to put it another way, you gain the ability to split your move between attacks when you take the Attack action, before making (or not making) any weapon attacks. This ability can't possibly depend on whether you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks with your action, because that isn't determined until your action is complete. Any number of things could happen during your action to prevent you from making multiple weapon attacks: you could replace some or all of your weapon attacks with grapple/shove attempts; you could get pushed out of range by a readied Thunderwave; or you could lose one or more attacks entirely to a Sanctuary spell. But regardless of what happens, you can't retroactively lose the ability to split your movement between attacks.
This is similar to the logic that allows spells like Shield to work: the trigger for the spell is being hit with an attack, but the spell causes the attack to miss, which means the spell works even though it prevented its trigger from happening. Likewise, replacing some of the weapon attacks from the Attack action doesn't change the fact that it was initially an Attack action that included multiple weapon attacks.
A concrete example
For a concrete example of why this must be the case, let's consider the example given in the section on moving between attacks:
a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Suppose the fighter chose to replace their second weapon attack with a shove attack, after they have already split their movement between the two attacks. Their Attack action now involves only one weapon attack. Does this invalidate or undo the split move that got them to the second creature? I don't think so. The decision of whether to replace an attack comes after the decision to take the Attack action, and in this case it even comes after the decision to split movement between weapon attacks. So it doesn't make sense that your available choices in an earlier decision (splitting your move) can be constrained by a choice you only make later (replacing an attack). The most logical conclusion is that the ability to split movement between weapon attacks is "unlocked" as soon as you take the Attack action and remains so throughout that action, whether or not you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks.
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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No movement in between
Moving between Attacks:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks. For example, a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Key phrase “If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack”. Grappling and Shoving are not considered a weapon attack. Though the Extra Attack feature would still allow you to grapple/shove/attack, just not move.
Shoving
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them
But
If would be able to move between your Attack Action, Bonus Action, and possible Action Surge. Also an 11th level Fighter gains their 2nd Extra Attack. As long as more than one attack is a weapon attack, movement is allowed.
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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You gain the ability to split your move before you decide to grapple/shove
The sections on grappling and shoving both include the sentence:
If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
So, if you have the Extra Attack feature, in order to make a grapple attack, you take the Attack action, which includes multiple weapon attacks, and then you replace one or more of those weapon attacks. But since you've already "taken an action that includes more than one weapon attack", you can move between those attacks. Or to put it another way, you gain the ability to split your move between attacks when you take the Attack action, before making (or not making) any weapon attacks. This ability can't possibly depend on whether you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks with your action, because that isn't determined until your action is complete. Any number of things could happen during your action to prevent you from making multiple weapon attacks: you could replace some or all of your weapon attacks with grapple/shove attempts; you could get pushed out of range by a readied Thunderwave; or you could lose one or more attacks entirely to a Sanctuary spell. But regardless of what happens, you can't retroactively lose the ability to split your movement between attacks.
This is similar to the logic that allows spells like Shield to work: the trigger for the spell is being hit with an attack, but the spell causes the attack to miss, which means the spell works even though it prevented its trigger from happening. Likewise, replacing some of the weapon attacks from the Attack action doesn't change the fact that it was initially an Attack action that included multiple weapon attacks.
A concrete example
For a concrete example of why this must be the case, let's consider the example given in the section on moving between attacks:
a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Suppose the fighter chose to replace their second weapon attack with a shove attack, after they have already split their movement between the two attacks. Their Attack action now involves only one weapon attack. Does this invalidate or undo the split move that got them to the second creature? I don't think so. The decision of whether to replace an attack comes after the decision to take the Attack action, and in this case it even comes after the decision to split movement between weapon attacks. So it doesn't make sense that your available choices in an earlier decision (splitting your move) can be constrained by a choice you only make later (replacing an attack). The most logical conclusion is that the ability to split movement between weapon attacks is "unlocked" as soon as you take the Attack action and remains so throughout that action, whether or not you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks.
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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You gain the ability to split your move before you decide to grapple/shove
The sections on grappling and shoving both include the sentence:
If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
So, if you have the Extra Attack feature, in order to make a grapple attack, you take the Attack action, which includes multiple weapon attacks, and then you replace one or more of those weapon attacks. But since you've already "taken an action that includes more than one weapon attack", you can move between those attacks. Or to put it another way, you gain the ability to split your move between attacks when you take the Attack action, before making (or not making) any weapon attacks. This ability can't possibly depend on whether you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks with your action, because that isn't determined until your action is complete. Any number of things could happen during your action to prevent you from making multiple weapon attacks: you could replace some or all of your weapon attacks with grapple/shove attempts; you could get pushed out of range by a readied Thunderwave; or you could lose one or more attacks entirely to a Sanctuary spell. But regardless of what happens, you can't retroactively lose the ability to split your movement between attacks.
This is similar to the logic that allows spells like Shield to work: the trigger for the spell is being hit with an attack, but the spell causes the attack to miss, which means the spell works even though it prevented its trigger from happening. Likewise, replacing some of the weapon attacks from the Attack action doesn't change the fact that it was initially an Attack action that included multiple weapon attacks.
A concrete example
For a concrete example of why this must be the case, let's consider the example given in the section on moving between attacks:
a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Suppose the fighter chose to replace their second weapon attack with a shove attack, after they have already split their movement between the two attacks. Their Attack action now involves only one weapon attack. Does this invalidate or undo the split move that got them to the second creature? I don't think so. The decision of whether to replace an attack comes after the decision to take the Attack action, and in this case it even comes after the decision to split movement between weapon attacks. So it doesn't make sense that your available choices in an earlier decision (splitting your move) can be constrained by a choice you only make later (replacing an attack). The most logical conclusion is that the ability to split movement between weapon attacks is "unlocked" as soon as you take the Attack action and remains so throughout that action, whether or not you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks.
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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– Akixkisu
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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– Rubiksmoose♦
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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You gain the ability to split your move before you decide to grapple/shove
The sections on grappling and shoving both include the sentence:
If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
So, if you have the Extra Attack feature, in order to make a grapple attack, you take the Attack action, which includes multiple weapon attacks, and then you replace one or more of those weapon attacks. But since you've already "taken an action that includes more than one weapon attack", you can move between those attacks. Or to put it another way, you gain the ability to split your move between attacks when you take the Attack action, before making (or not making) any weapon attacks. This ability can't possibly depend on whether you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks with your action, because that isn't determined until your action is complete. Any number of things could happen during your action to prevent you from making multiple weapon attacks: you could replace some or all of your weapon attacks with grapple/shove attempts; you could get pushed out of range by a readied Thunderwave; or you could lose one or more attacks entirely to a Sanctuary spell. But regardless of what happens, you can't retroactively lose the ability to split your movement between attacks.
This is similar to the logic that allows spells like Shield to work: the trigger for the spell is being hit with an attack, but the spell causes the attack to miss, which means the spell works even though it prevented its trigger from happening. Likewise, replacing some of the weapon attacks from the Attack action doesn't change the fact that it was initially an Attack action that included multiple weapon attacks.
A concrete example
For a concrete example of why this must be the case, let's consider the example given in the section on moving between attacks:
a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Suppose the fighter chose to replace their second weapon attack with a shove attack, after they have already split their movement between the two attacks. Their Attack action now involves only one weapon attack. Does this invalidate or undo the split move that got them to the second creature? I don't think so. The decision of whether to replace an attack comes after the decision to take the Attack action, and in this case it even comes after the decision to split movement between weapon attacks. So it doesn't make sense that your available choices in an earlier decision (splitting your move) can be constrained by a choice you only make later (replacing an attack). The most logical conclusion is that the ability to split movement between weapon attacks is "unlocked" as soon as you take the Attack action and remains so throughout that action, whether or not you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks.
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You gain the ability to split your move before you decide to grapple/shove
The sections on grappling and shoving both include the sentence:
If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
So, if you have the Extra Attack feature, in order to make a grapple attack, you take the Attack action, which includes multiple weapon attacks, and then you replace one or more of those weapon attacks. But since you've already "taken an action that includes more than one weapon attack", you can move between those attacks. Or to put it another way, you gain the ability to split your move between attacks when you take the Attack action, before making (or not making) any weapon attacks. This ability can't possibly depend on whether you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks with your action, because that isn't determined until your action is complete. Any number of things could happen during your action to prevent you from making multiple weapon attacks: you could replace some or all of your weapon attacks with grapple/shove attempts; you could get pushed out of range by a readied Thunderwave; or you could lose one or more attacks entirely to a Sanctuary spell. But regardless of what happens, you can't retroactively lose the ability to split your movement between attacks.
This is similar to the logic that allows spells like Shield to work: the trigger for the spell is being hit with an attack, but the spell causes the attack to miss, which means the spell works even though it prevented its trigger from happening. Likewise, replacing some of the weapon attacks from the Attack action doesn't change the fact that it was initially an Attack action that included multiple weapon attacks.
A concrete example
For a concrete example of why this must be the case, let's consider the example given in the section on moving between attacks:
a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Suppose the fighter chose to replace their second weapon attack with a shove attack, after they have already split their movement between the two attacks. Their Attack action now involves only one weapon attack. Does this invalidate or undo the split move that got them to the second creature? I don't think so. The decision of whether to replace an attack comes after the decision to take the Attack action, and in this case it even comes after the decision to split movement between weapon attacks. So it doesn't make sense that your available choices in an earlier decision (splitting your move) can be constrained by a choice you only make later (replacing an attack). The most logical conclusion is that the ability to split movement between weapon attacks is "unlocked" as soon as you take the Attack action and remains so throughout that action, whether or not you actually end up making multiple weapon attacks.
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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– Akixkisu
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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– Rubiksmoose♦
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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– Akixkisu
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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– Rubiksmoose♦
Jun 2 at 20:18
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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– David Fass
Jun 5 at 16:02
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
Jun 2 at 16:07
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@Akixkisu Attacks using weapons are weapon attacks, and unarmed strikes are also technically weapon attacks. What other type of attack can you make with the Attack action that isn't a weapon attack (other than grapple/shove attacks)?
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– Ryan Thompson
Jun 2 at 16:07
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
Jun 2 at 16:12
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@Akixkisu From the Attack section, PHB page 192 “The most common action to take in combat is the Attack action, whether you are swinging a sword, firing an arrow from a bow, or brawling with your fists.” This strongly implies you are making an attack with a weapon considering all of those are on the Weapons Table. Also, Spell Attacks are noticeably absent from the Making An Attack section.
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– Liam Morris
Jun 2 at 16:12
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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– Akixkisu
Jun 2 at 19:18
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@RyanThompson that addition looks great, thanks!
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– Akixkisu
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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– Rubiksmoose♦
Jun 2 at 20:18
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I think that additional section may have convinced me. Great addition!
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– Rubiksmoose♦
Jun 2 at 20:18
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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– David Fass
Jun 5 at 16:02
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I agree, pretty much any attack action OTHER than casting a spell or using a spell attack should count as allowing you to split your movement -- I'd even allow Shoving and grappling, as long as they were distinct actions e.g. you shove opponent one and then grapple opponent two (also you couldn't grapple more than one opponent at a time -- though I'd allow multiple grapple attempts/menuvers against the same target )
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– David Fass
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No movement in between
Moving between Attacks:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks. For example, a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Key phrase “If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack”. Grappling and Shoving are not considered a weapon attack. Though the Extra Attack feature would still allow you to grapple/shove/attack, just not move.
Shoving
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them
But
If would be able to move between your Attack Action, Bonus Action, and possible Action Surge. Also an 11th level Fighter gains their 2nd Extra Attack. As long as more than one attack is a weapon attack, movement is allowed.
answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
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– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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No movement in between
Moving between Attacks:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks. For example, a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Key phrase “If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack”. Grappling and Shoving are not considered a weapon attack. Though the Extra Attack feature would still allow you to grapple/shove/attack, just not move.
Shoving
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them
But
If would be able to move between your Attack Action, Bonus Action, and possible Action Surge. Also an 11th level Fighter gains their 2nd Extra Attack. As long as more than one attack is a weapon attack, movement is allowed.
answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
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– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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No movement in between
Moving between Attacks:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks. For example, a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Key phrase “If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack”. Grappling and Shoving are not considered a weapon attack. Though the Extra Attack feature would still allow you to grapple/shove/attack, just not move.
Shoving
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them
But
If would be able to move between your Attack Action, Bonus Action, and possible Action Surge. Also an 11th level Fighter gains their 2nd Extra Attack. As long as more than one attack is a weapon attack, movement is allowed.
answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
1,7321 gold badge7 silver badges18 bronze badges
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No movement in between
Moving between Attacks:
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks. For example, a fighter who can make two attacks with the Extra Attack feature and who has a speed of 25 feet could move 10 feet, make an attack, move 15 feet, and then attack again.
Key phrase “If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack”. Grappling and Shoving are not considered a weapon attack. Though the Extra Attack feature would still allow you to grapple/shove/attack, just not move.
Shoving
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them
But
If would be able to move between your Attack Action, Bonus Action, and possible Action Surge. Also an 11th level Fighter gains their 2nd Extra Attack. As long as more than one attack is a weapon attack, movement is allowed.
answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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edited Jun 3 at 2:02
answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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answered Jun 2 at 15:43
AlkAlk
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
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– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
4
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
1
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
4
$begingroup$
Feels like this really needs an errata.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
3
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
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– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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Say somebody had extra-attack but wanted to use both attacks as grapples/shoves, what happens?
$endgroup$
– Medix2
Jun 2 at 15:47
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
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@Medix2 I am going to edit my answer as extra attack should be called out better.
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 15:49
1
1
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
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– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
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I think Medix was asking about a character that has 2 attacks per attack action. Not a character that uses action surge.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
Jun 2 at 16:04
4
4
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
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Feels like this really needs an errata.
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– NautArch
Jun 2 at 16:42
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3
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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@NautArch I agree
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– Alk
Jun 2 at 16:46
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