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Why don’t airliners have temporary liveries?
How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint?How often is a passenger jet aircraft painted?Why is most aircraft livery painted, rather than vinyled?Why are delta wings not commonly used in commercial airliners?Why are commercial airplanes painted at all?What do airliner manufacturers do with aircraft for which have no buyers?why do wings have high aspect ratios on commercial airliners?Why don't commercial passenger safety videos ever explain policy instead of merely dictating it?Why do all airliners have life jackets?Why do narrowbodies have longer life than widebodies?If an airline purchases an aircraft, do they have to/feel compelled to change the livery?
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For buses, it’s quite common to have plastic foil with advertisements on them, but I’ve never seen that on an aircraft. Looking at how aggressively some airlines try to save money, they probably already came up with the idea to sell the space on the side of their aircraft for advertisement purposes – so why did they not do it? Is there any technical reason to not have temporary liveries?
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For buses, it’s quite common to have plastic foil with advertisements on them, but I’ve never seen that on an aircraft. Looking at how aggressively some airlines try to save money, they probably already came up with the idea to sell the space on the side of their aircraft for advertisement purposes – so why did they not do it? Is there any technical reason to not have temporary liveries?
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related: How often is a passenger jet aircraft painted?, and Why is most aircraft livery painted, rather than vinyled?
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For buses, it’s quite common to have plastic foil with advertisements on them, but I’ve never seen that on an aircraft. Looking at how aggressively some airlines try to save money, they probably already came up with the idea to sell the space on the side of their aircraft for advertisement purposes – so why did they not do it? Is there any technical reason to not have temporary liveries?
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For buses, it’s quite common to have plastic foil with advertisements on them, but I’ve never seen that on an aircraft. Looking at how aggressively some airlines try to save money, they probably already came up with the idea to sell the space on the side of their aircraft for advertisement purposes – so why did they not do it? Is there any technical reason to not have temporary liveries?
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They do have temporary liveries. This is very common in wet lease operators, where an aircraft is flown for an airline during a peak period or when their planes are down for maintenance. Airlines want customers to feel they are getting the brand-name product they are paying for; they don't want customers to board a generic white jet.
An airplane will be painted and decals applied only for several months. Just like motor vehicles, 3M makes aircraft film wraps, including models specifically for short-term use.
It is also common to have a livery for a special event, say the Olympics. You can expect ANA's jet for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics to be returned to normal shortly after the Olympics are over. You can see Lufthansa and Egyptair dressed their planes up for the World Cup. Egyptair's photographic livery can only be done by printing onto a decal.
This video shows Alaska Airlines paint essentially an ad for Disneyland and the Cars movie franchise. They paint the simpler parts like the clouds and the large solid areas, but at 1:28 you can see them apply decals of the characters' faces. They say it took 29 days to paint. This is another video where they're simply applying a decal to advertise another movie.
So, no, there is no technical reason not to have a temporary livery and such schemes are done regularly. It's merely an issue of marketing and customer impressions.
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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The time needed to apply and remove the advertisements would cost too much money. As long as the aircraft is on the ground, it cannot earn revenue. Better to forgo the small profits from ads for larger profits from operating the aircraft.
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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– Owain
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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1) For a typical urban bus, that plastic foil has to stay on at maybe a max of around 60 mph. For a commercial jet, it'd have to stay on at 600 mph. And suppose it starts ripping off and gets tangled in the elevator...
2) You could repaint the plane at a cost of $50-200K How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint? but the ad would only be seen by the small number of people at the airports, so hardly cost-effective.
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If the ad is well-designed, it can also be seen by thousands to millions of people who live under the entry and exit lanes of airports.
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Building upon jamesqf answer, I'd like to add:
3) The number of people seeing bus on the streets while moving between stops could be simplified as sum of traffic size + population working and living along its route. For every bus you get a very rough estimate of a thousand potential advertisement targets every minute. And who sees the plane? Only its passengers when they're boarding. People waving their goodbyes usually are too far to read the advertisement, not to mention ppl seeing the plane inflight. That amounts to one to several hundred advertisement targets per several hours, or even whole day in case of longer routes.
The increased cost leads to a fraction of market penetration. Totally not worth it.
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They have been using temporary liveries for decades. Rock group Yes famously had one produced on film for their US tour in 197x and half way across the Atlantic it started peeling off and flapping towards one of the engines. YouTube for Rick Wakeman telling this story as he does it so well in his inimitable style
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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Part of the reason is branding. A city bus is a city bus, but an airline wants to advertise its own brand with its own livery. Some people dislike ads, so that could create a negative perception of the airline.
Part of the reason is cost. An airplane is much larger and more expensive to have out of service.
There's also lower benefit. Buses with advertisements spend most of their time in the city and on roads, surrounded by people they can advertise to. Airplanes spend most of their time in the air, where nobody else gets close enough to see them very well for very long. They do get some exposure near the airport as they are landing or departing, and to people in the terminals.
However, some airlines do put advertising on their planes. It's usually something with a connection to a flag carrier's country, as with Air New Zealand and The Hobbit, or a partner of the airline. Airlines will commonly have some aircraft painted in a livery of their alliance. ANA has had many special liveries, such as Star Wars and Pokemon. The airline tries to make it as appealing as possible, because in addition to advertising something, they are also drawing attention to their own brand.
There are certainly outliers, though. Ryanair is famous for eking out every bit of revenue that they can come up with, and advertise throughout the cabin. They have a history of advertising on their planes, and did announce in 2013 they would be selling advertising space on their planes, but I couldn't find any recent examples other than partners.
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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They do have temporary liveries. This is very common in wet lease operators, where an aircraft is flown for an airline during a peak period or when their planes are down for maintenance. Airlines want customers to feel they are getting the brand-name product they are paying for; they don't want customers to board a generic white jet.
An airplane will be painted and decals applied only for several months. Just like motor vehicles, 3M makes aircraft film wraps, including models specifically for short-term use.
It is also common to have a livery for a special event, say the Olympics. You can expect ANA's jet for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics to be returned to normal shortly after the Olympics are over. You can see Lufthansa and Egyptair dressed their planes up for the World Cup. Egyptair's photographic livery can only be done by printing onto a decal.
This video shows Alaska Airlines paint essentially an ad for Disneyland and the Cars movie franchise. They paint the simpler parts like the clouds and the large solid areas, but at 1:28 you can see them apply decals of the characters' faces. They say it took 29 days to paint. This is another video where they're simply applying a decal to advertise another movie.
So, no, there is no technical reason not to have a temporary livery and such schemes are done regularly. It's merely an issue of marketing and customer impressions.
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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– jamesqf
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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– Chris H
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They do have temporary liveries. This is very common in wet lease operators, where an aircraft is flown for an airline during a peak period or when their planes are down for maintenance. Airlines want customers to feel they are getting the brand-name product they are paying for; they don't want customers to board a generic white jet.
An airplane will be painted and decals applied only for several months. Just like motor vehicles, 3M makes aircraft film wraps, including models specifically for short-term use.
It is also common to have a livery for a special event, say the Olympics. You can expect ANA's jet for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics to be returned to normal shortly after the Olympics are over. You can see Lufthansa and Egyptair dressed their planes up for the World Cup. Egyptair's photographic livery can only be done by printing onto a decal.
This video shows Alaska Airlines paint essentially an ad for Disneyland and the Cars movie franchise. They paint the simpler parts like the clouds and the large solid areas, but at 1:28 you can see them apply decals of the characters' faces. They say it took 29 days to paint. This is another video where they're simply applying a decal to advertise another movie.
So, no, there is no technical reason not to have a temporary livery and such schemes are done regularly. It's merely an issue of marketing and customer impressions.
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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– jamesqf
Jun 2 at 5:11
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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– Chris H
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They do have temporary liveries. This is very common in wet lease operators, where an aircraft is flown for an airline during a peak period or when their planes are down for maintenance. Airlines want customers to feel they are getting the brand-name product they are paying for; they don't want customers to board a generic white jet.
An airplane will be painted and decals applied only for several months. Just like motor vehicles, 3M makes aircraft film wraps, including models specifically for short-term use.
It is also common to have a livery for a special event, say the Olympics. You can expect ANA's jet for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics to be returned to normal shortly after the Olympics are over. You can see Lufthansa and Egyptair dressed their planes up for the World Cup. Egyptair's photographic livery can only be done by printing onto a decal.
This video shows Alaska Airlines paint essentially an ad for Disneyland and the Cars movie franchise. They paint the simpler parts like the clouds and the large solid areas, but at 1:28 you can see them apply decals of the characters' faces. They say it took 29 days to paint. This is another video where they're simply applying a decal to advertise another movie.
So, no, there is no technical reason not to have a temporary livery and such schemes are done regularly. It's merely an issue of marketing and customer impressions.
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They do have temporary liveries. This is very common in wet lease operators, where an aircraft is flown for an airline during a peak period or when their planes are down for maintenance. Airlines want customers to feel they are getting the brand-name product they are paying for; they don't want customers to board a generic white jet.
An airplane will be painted and decals applied only for several months. Just like motor vehicles, 3M makes aircraft film wraps, including models specifically for short-term use.
It is also common to have a livery for a special event, say the Olympics. You can expect ANA's jet for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics to be returned to normal shortly after the Olympics are over. You can see Lufthansa and Egyptair dressed their planes up for the World Cup. Egyptair's photographic livery can only be done by printing onto a decal.
This video shows Alaska Airlines paint essentially an ad for Disneyland and the Cars movie franchise. They paint the simpler parts like the clouds and the large solid areas, but at 1:28 you can see them apply decals of the characters' faces. They say it took 29 days to paint. This is another video where they're simply applying a decal to advertise another movie.
So, no, there is no technical reason not to have a temporary livery and such schemes are done regularly. It's merely an issue of marketing and customer impressions.
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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– jamesqf
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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– jamesqf
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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– Chris H
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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– jamesqf
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Granted that it's been quite a while since I've flown commercial, but I don't recall getting more than a brief glimpse of the outside of the planes I was actually flying in.
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf For a lot of marketing messages a brief glimpse of a bright passing ad from the departure lounge is all you need, very simple messages like "there's a new movie with these characters", "visit Disneyland", "this airline flies our national soccer stars", similar to billboards on a highway. Looking at bus ads, many are the same way.
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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– Chris H
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@jamesqf me too, but in some airports you can end up sitting in the lounge with a clear view of your plane for quite a while (Madrid for example)
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The time needed to apply and remove the advertisements would cost too much money. As long as the aircraft is on the ground, it cannot earn revenue. Better to forgo the small profits from ads for larger profits from operating the aircraft.
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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– Harper
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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The time needed to apply and remove the advertisements would cost too much money. As long as the aircraft is on the ground, it cannot earn revenue. Better to forgo the small profits from ads for larger profits from operating the aircraft.
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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– Harper
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
Jun 1 at 20:16
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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– Owain
Jun 3 at 18:48
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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The time needed to apply and remove the advertisements would cost too much money. As long as the aircraft is on the ground, it cannot earn revenue. Better to forgo the small profits from ads for larger profits from operating the aircraft.
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The time needed to apply and remove the advertisements would cost too much money. As long as the aircraft is on the ground, it cannot earn revenue. Better to forgo the small profits from ads for larger profits from operating the aircraft.
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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– Owain
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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– Harper
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The time is the crux. Painting a vehicle is slow and laborious, and the advertiser must pay both ways: to paint and paint back to original... so such adverts are printed vinyl wraps that can be thrown on quickly.
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– Harper
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
Jun 1 at 20:16
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@Harper, between the huge fixed costs, the small fraction of time people actually see the aircraft and the higher durability of the foil and glue it still does not seem to be worth it for common adverts—and it is occasionally done for a publicity stunt.
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– Jan Hudec
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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– Owain
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The "publicity stunt" is probably the most important aspect - a few thousand people may see the aircraft, millions may see it indirectly reported on television or social media.
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– Owain
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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– Darrel Hoffman
Jun 3 at 19:11
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@Harper Not just paint back to original - I would assume they'd also have to remove the old paint before applying new paint. Paint might not weigh all that much, but if you keep adding layer after layer, it adds up, and also I'd imagine it would start gumming up the works after a few dozen repaintings if you don't remove it in between...
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1) For a typical urban bus, that plastic foil has to stay on at maybe a max of around 60 mph. For a commercial jet, it'd have to stay on at 600 mph. And suppose it starts ripping off and gets tangled in the elevator...
2) You could repaint the plane at a cost of $50-200K How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint? but the ad would only be seen by the small number of people at the airports, so hardly cost-effective.
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If the ad is well-designed, it can also be seen by thousands to millions of people who live under the entry and exit lanes of airports.
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1) For a typical urban bus, that plastic foil has to stay on at maybe a max of around 60 mph. For a commercial jet, it'd have to stay on at 600 mph. And suppose it starts ripping off and gets tangled in the elevator...
2) You could repaint the plane at a cost of $50-200K How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint? but the ad would only be seen by the small number of people at the airports, so hardly cost-effective.
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If the ad is well-designed, it can also be seen by thousands to millions of people who live under the entry and exit lanes of airports.
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1) For a typical urban bus, that plastic foil has to stay on at maybe a max of around 60 mph. For a commercial jet, it'd have to stay on at 600 mph. And suppose it starts ripping off and gets tangled in the elevator...
2) You could repaint the plane at a cost of $50-200K How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint? but the ad would only be seen by the small number of people at the airports, so hardly cost-effective.
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1) For a typical urban bus, that plastic foil has to stay on at maybe a max of around 60 mph. For a commercial jet, it'd have to stay on at 600 mph. And suppose it starts ripping off and gets tangled in the elevator...
2) You could repaint the plane at a cost of $50-200K How much does it cost to give an airliner a fresh coat of paint? but the ad would only be seen by the small number of people at the airports, so hardly cost-effective.
answered Jun 1 at 17:13
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If the ad is well-designed, it can also be seen by thousands to millions of people who live under the entry and exit lanes of airports.
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If the ad is well-designed, it can also be seen by thousands to millions of people who live under the entry and exit lanes of airports.
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Building upon jamesqf answer, I'd like to add:
3) The number of people seeing bus on the streets while moving between stops could be simplified as sum of traffic size + population working and living along its route. For every bus you get a very rough estimate of a thousand potential advertisement targets every minute. And who sees the plane? Only its passengers when they're boarding. People waving their goodbyes usually are too far to read the advertisement, not to mention ppl seeing the plane inflight. That amounts to one to several hundred advertisement targets per several hours, or even whole day in case of longer routes.
The increased cost leads to a fraction of market penetration. Totally not worth it.
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Building upon jamesqf answer, I'd like to add:
3) The number of people seeing bus on the streets while moving between stops could be simplified as sum of traffic size + population working and living along its route. For every bus you get a very rough estimate of a thousand potential advertisement targets every minute. And who sees the plane? Only its passengers when they're boarding. People waving their goodbyes usually are too far to read the advertisement, not to mention ppl seeing the plane inflight. That amounts to one to several hundred advertisement targets per several hours, or even whole day in case of longer routes.
The increased cost leads to a fraction of market penetration. Totally not worth it.
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Building upon jamesqf answer, I'd like to add:
3) The number of people seeing bus on the streets while moving between stops could be simplified as sum of traffic size + population working and living along its route. For every bus you get a very rough estimate of a thousand potential advertisement targets every minute. And who sees the plane? Only its passengers when they're boarding. People waving their goodbyes usually are too far to read the advertisement, not to mention ppl seeing the plane inflight. That amounts to one to several hundred advertisement targets per several hours, or even whole day in case of longer routes.
The increased cost leads to a fraction of market penetration. Totally not worth it.
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Building upon jamesqf answer, I'd like to add:
3) The number of people seeing bus on the streets while moving between stops could be simplified as sum of traffic size + population working and living along its route. For every bus you get a very rough estimate of a thousand potential advertisement targets every minute. And who sees the plane? Only its passengers when they're boarding. People waving their goodbyes usually are too far to read the advertisement, not to mention ppl seeing the plane inflight. That amounts to one to several hundred advertisement targets per several hours, or even whole day in case of longer routes.
The increased cost leads to a fraction of market penetration. Totally not worth it.
answered Jun 2 at 8:16
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They have been using temporary liveries for decades. Rock group Yes famously had one produced on film for their US tour in 197x and half way across the Atlantic it started peeling off and flapping towards one of the engines. YouTube for Rick Wakeman telling this story as he does it so well in his inimitable style
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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They have been using temporary liveries for decades. Rock group Yes famously had one produced on film for their US tour in 197x and half way across the Atlantic it started peeling off and flapping towards one of the engines. YouTube for Rick Wakeman telling this story as he does it so well in his inimitable style
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
Jun 2 at 15:32
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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– David Richerby
Jun 3 at 9:31
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They have been using temporary liveries for decades. Rock group Yes famously had one produced on film for their US tour in 197x and half way across the Atlantic it started peeling off and flapping towards one of the engines. YouTube for Rick Wakeman telling this story as he does it so well in his inimitable style
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They have been using temporary liveries for decades. Rock group Yes famously had one produced on film for their US tour in 197x and half way across the Atlantic it started peeling off and flapping towards one of the engines. YouTube for Rick Wakeman telling this story as he does it so well in his inimitable style
answered Jun 2 at 15:24
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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– reirab
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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– David Richerby
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
Jun 2 at 15:32
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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– reirab
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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– David Richerby
Jun 3 at 9:31
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
Jun 2 at 15:32
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Also Iron Maiden's Flight 666.
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– Graham
Jun 2 at 15:32
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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– reirab
Jun 3 at 5:53
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@Graham I think they called pretty much all of their flights "flight 666." For example, since they're leasing a 747 from Air Atlanta Icelandic, their callsign is "Atlanta 666" in all of the cases where I've heard of it. They informally call their aircraft "Ed Force One," but I doubt ATC would let them use that callsign. I can just imagine: ATC: "Air Force One, be advised, similar callsign on frequency." Air Force One: "Say again??"
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– reirab
Jun 3 at 5:53
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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– David Richerby
Jun 3 at 9:31
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@reirab "Wait, is it Iron Maiden? OK. We'll be Air Force Two."
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Part of the reason is branding. A city bus is a city bus, but an airline wants to advertise its own brand with its own livery. Some people dislike ads, so that could create a negative perception of the airline.
Part of the reason is cost. An airplane is much larger and more expensive to have out of service.
There's also lower benefit. Buses with advertisements spend most of their time in the city and on roads, surrounded by people they can advertise to. Airplanes spend most of their time in the air, where nobody else gets close enough to see them very well for very long. They do get some exposure near the airport as they are landing or departing, and to people in the terminals.
However, some airlines do put advertising on their planes. It's usually something with a connection to a flag carrier's country, as with Air New Zealand and The Hobbit, or a partner of the airline. Airlines will commonly have some aircraft painted in a livery of their alliance. ANA has had many special liveries, such as Star Wars and Pokemon. The airline tries to make it as appealing as possible, because in addition to advertising something, they are also drawing attention to their own brand.
There are certainly outliers, though. Ryanair is famous for eking out every bit of revenue that they can come up with, and advertise throughout the cabin. They have a history of advertising on their planes, and did announce in 2013 they would be selling advertising space on their planes, but I couldn't find any recent examples other than partners.
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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Part of the reason is branding. A city bus is a city bus, but an airline wants to advertise its own brand with its own livery. Some people dislike ads, so that could create a negative perception of the airline.
Part of the reason is cost. An airplane is much larger and more expensive to have out of service.
There's also lower benefit. Buses with advertisements spend most of their time in the city and on roads, surrounded by people they can advertise to. Airplanes spend most of their time in the air, where nobody else gets close enough to see them very well for very long. They do get some exposure near the airport as they are landing or departing, and to people in the terminals.
However, some airlines do put advertising on their planes. It's usually something with a connection to a flag carrier's country, as with Air New Zealand and The Hobbit, or a partner of the airline. Airlines will commonly have some aircraft painted in a livery of their alliance. ANA has had many special liveries, such as Star Wars and Pokemon. The airline tries to make it as appealing as possible, because in addition to advertising something, they are also drawing attention to their own brand.
There are certainly outliers, though. Ryanair is famous for eking out every bit of revenue that they can come up with, and advertise throughout the cabin. They have a history of advertising on their planes, and did announce in 2013 they would be selling advertising space on their planes, but I couldn't find any recent examples other than partners.
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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– David Richerby
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Part of the reason is branding. A city bus is a city bus, but an airline wants to advertise its own brand with its own livery. Some people dislike ads, so that could create a negative perception of the airline.
Part of the reason is cost. An airplane is much larger and more expensive to have out of service.
There's also lower benefit. Buses with advertisements spend most of their time in the city and on roads, surrounded by people they can advertise to. Airplanes spend most of their time in the air, where nobody else gets close enough to see them very well for very long. They do get some exposure near the airport as they are landing or departing, and to people in the terminals.
However, some airlines do put advertising on their planes. It's usually something with a connection to a flag carrier's country, as with Air New Zealand and The Hobbit, or a partner of the airline. Airlines will commonly have some aircraft painted in a livery of their alliance. ANA has had many special liveries, such as Star Wars and Pokemon. The airline tries to make it as appealing as possible, because in addition to advertising something, they are also drawing attention to their own brand.
There are certainly outliers, though. Ryanair is famous for eking out every bit of revenue that they can come up with, and advertise throughout the cabin. They have a history of advertising on their planes, and did announce in 2013 they would be selling advertising space on their planes, but I couldn't find any recent examples other than partners.
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Part of the reason is branding. A city bus is a city bus, but an airline wants to advertise its own brand with its own livery. Some people dislike ads, so that could create a negative perception of the airline.
Part of the reason is cost. An airplane is much larger and more expensive to have out of service.
There's also lower benefit. Buses with advertisements spend most of their time in the city and on roads, surrounded by people they can advertise to. Airplanes spend most of their time in the air, where nobody else gets close enough to see them very well for very long. They do get some exposure near the airport as they are landing or departing, and to people in the terminals.
However, some airlines do put advertising on their planes. It's usually something with a connection to a flag carrier's country, as with Air New Zealand and The Hobbit, or a partner of the airline. Airlines will commonly have some aircraft painted in a livery of their alliance. ANA has had many special liveries, such as Star Wars and Pokemon. The airline tries to make it as appealing as possible, because in addition to advertising something, they are also drawing attention to their own brand.
There are certainly outliers, though. Ryanair is famous for eking out every bit of revenue that they can come up with, and advertise throughout the cabin. They have a history of advertising on their planes, and did announce in 2013 they would be selling advertising space on their planes, but I couldn't find any recent examples other than partners.
answered Jun 2 at 16:36
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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– David Richerby
Jun 2 at 21:17
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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– David Richerby
Jun 2 at 21:17
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"A city bus is a city bus" That depends on where you are. In the UK, city buses are run by private companies, and they still carry ads.
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