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Does fossil fuels use since 1990 account for half of all the fossil fuels used in history?
Does UNICEF use less than 14% of the donated money for the advertised causes?Are fossil fuels making the world greener?Does pumping gas when the tank is half full and on the low flow setting provide an economic benefit?Has the Red Cross raised half a billion dollars for Haiti to build 6 houses?Does nearly half the world's population live on less than $2 a day?Does the fossil fuel industry benefit from trillions of dollars of subsidy from governments every year?Is the median income for African Americans at an all time high?
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This recent claim appeared on Twitter:
If you are 29, you’ve been alive when half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of human history have been burned
The source appears to be an article in PeakProsperity.com. The source makes the claim this way (my emphasis):
Fossil fuel energy is responsible for providing every creature comfort and material abundance in your life and it’s has been growing exponentially for your entire life.
Here’s the brain buster. Squint at that chart carefully and you’ll see that fully half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of history have been burned since 1990.
The basis appears to be this chart:
The specific numbers seem to come from that chart but it only plots 3 data points and seems to fit them to an exponential. The annual chart doesn't look like this and certainly doesn't look exponential (as some other charts the source includes make clear whiteout any explanation as to why this chart looks different).
So is current growth in fossil fuel use growing exponentially? And have we burned half of all the fossil fuels used over history since 1990?
economics fossil-fuel
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This recent claim appeared on Twitter:
If you are 29, you’ve been alive when half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of human history have been burned
The source appears to be an article in PeakProsperity.com. The source makes the claim this way (my emphasis):
Fossil fuel energy is responsible for providing every creature comfort and material abundance in your life and it’s has been growing exponentially for your entire life.
Here’s the brain buster. Squint at that chart carefully and you’ll see that fully half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of history have been burned since 1990.
The basis appears to be this chart:
The specific numbers seem to come from that chart but it only plots 3 data points and seems to fit them to an exponential. The annual chart doesn't look like this and certainly doesn't look exponential (as some other charts the source includes make clear whiteout any explanation as to why this chart looks different).
So is current growth in fossil fuel use growing exponentially? And have we burned half of all the fossil fuels used over history since 1990?
economics fossil-fuel
2
A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
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@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
4
@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
3
@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09
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This recent claim appeared on Twitter:
If you are 29, you’ve been alive when half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of human history have been burned
The source appears to be an article in PeakProsperity.com. The source makes the claim this way (my emphasis):
Fossil fuel energy is responsible for providing every creature comfort and material abundance in your life and it’s has been growing exponentially for your entire life.
Here’s the brain buster. Squint at that chart carefully and you’ll see that fully half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of history have been burned since 1990.
The basis appears to be this chart:
The specific numbers seem to come from that chart but it only plots 3 data points and seems to fit them to an exponential. The annual chart doesn't look like this and certainly doesn't look exponential (as some other charts the source includes make clear whiteout any explanation as to why this chart looks different).
So is current growth in fossil fuel use growing exponentially? And have we burned half of all the fossil fuels used over history since 1990?
economics fossil-fuel
This recent claim appeared on Twitter:
If you are 29, you’ve been alive when half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of human history have been burned
The source appears to be an article in PeakProsperity.com. The source makes the claim this way (my emphasis):
Fossil fuel energy is responsible for providing every creature comfort and material abundance in your life and it’s has been growing exponentially for your entire life.
Here’s the brain buster. Squint at that chart carefully and you’ll see that fully half of all the fossil fuels ever burned throughout all of history have been burned since 1990.
The basis appears to be this chart:
The specific numbers seem to come from that chart but it only plots 3 data points and seems to fit them to an exponential. The annual chart doesn't look like this and certainly doesn't look exponential (as some other charts the source includes make clear whiteout any explanation as to why this chart looks different).
So is current growth in fossil fuel use growing exponentially? And have we burned half of all the fossil fuels used over history since 1990?
economics fossil-fuel
economics fossil-fuel
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A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
7
@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
4
@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
3
@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09
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show 10 more comments
2
A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
7
@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
4
@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
3
@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09
2
2
A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
7
7
@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
4
4
@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
3
3
@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09
@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09
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True
More detailed data confirm the claim.
This chart is taken from https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels ; most data there comes from the published paper:
Vaclav Smil (2017). Energy Transitions: Global and National Perspectives. & BP Statistical Review of World Energy..
It is coherent with figures from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.COMM.FO.ZS ; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
The growth is indeed exponential or, arguably, linear since 1950 with a strong slope.
The consumption reached 83,000 TWh in 1990, then 134,000 TWh in 2017.
Using data from the same source, the aggregated numbers confirm that 50% of total (1800-2017) consumption of fossil fuel has happened after 1990.
I basically summed the data in the online-available spreadsheet; I don't think that should be dismissed as "personal research" ?
edit: some comments debate whether fossil fuel consumption is the same as fossil fuel use (as per the OP). I cannot find easily whether the data here refers to the total primary energy of the fuel or to the energy produced after transformation - I strongly suspect it is the former, since it is much easier to compute (at any given time, there are several machines using coal, with different efficiency, so it is much easier to mesure the quantity of coal burned that the output). Moreover, the subtitle of the chart explicitely mentions primary energy. In case I am wrong, this chart should only be considered as a proxy for the question asked.
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@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
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This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
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@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
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@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
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@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
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@Evargalo gave an excellent answer proving the numbers, but it's interesting to look at what drives this.
The fact that this is true may be very surprising, but less so once you consider world population and world economic activity. There are literally people alive today who were born when there was less people in the entire world than there is in China today. Boomers were mostly born when there was about 2.5 - 3 billion people. That's right around the combined population of China and India today. Older millenials were born when there less than 5 billion people total. So by 1990 there are around 5.5 billion people, and today we are closing in on 8 billion.
And that might not even be the most shocking way of putting it -- from 1800 to around 1930 the world population doubled once (from 1 to 2 billion). From 1930 to today it doubled twice.
But that's just half the equation, the other half is that economic growth (on a per capita basis) is strongly correlated to energy usage and meat consumption. Both of which, until very recently, required the burning a lot of fossil fuels. Additionally, consider that around 100-150 thousand people are lifted out of extreme poverty every day.
Let's tie that all together. Population has exploded exponentially since the start of the industrial revolution. Next, extreme poverty is being eradicated across the globe, especially since the late 80's. Finally, when people leave extreme poverty, their consumption, particularly of meat, increases dramatically (an excellent case study for this is China over the last 3-4 decades). And improvements in standards of living are directly tied to energy consumption, which until extremely recently was almost entirely generated by burning fossil fuels.
In light of that, the 1990 statistic isn't very surprising at all! It directly follows from population growth and the worldwide average of living standards.
Some of the information contained in this post requires additional references. Please edit to add citations to reliable sources that support the assertions made here. Unsourced material may be disputed or deleted.
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
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Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
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I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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More detailed data confirm the claim.
This chart is taken from https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels ; most data there comes from the published paper:
Vaclav Smil (2017). Energy Transitions: Global and National Perspectives. & BP Statistical Review of World Energy..
It is coherent with figures from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.COMM.FO.ZS ; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
The growth is indeed exponential or, arguably, linear since 1950 with a strong slope.
The consumption reached 83,000 TWh in 1990, then 134,000 TWh in 2017.
Using data from the same source, the aggregated numbers confirm that 50% of total (1800-2017) consumption of fossil fuel has happened after 1990.
I basically summed the data in the online-available spreadsheet; I don't think that should be dismissed as "personal research" ?
edit: some comments debate whether fossil fuel consumption is the same as fossil fuel use (as per the OP). I cannot find easily whether the data here refers to the total primary energy of the fuel or to the energy produced after transformation - I strongly suspect it is the former, since it is much easier to compute (at any given time, there are several machines using coal, with different efficiency, so it is much easier to mesure the quantity of coal burned that the output). Moreover, the subtitle of the chart explicitely mentions primary energy. In case I am wrong, this chart should only be considered as a proxy for the question asked.
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@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
29
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
18
@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
13
@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
23
@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
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show 7 more comments
True
More detailed data confirm the claim.
This chart is taken from https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels ; most data there comes from the published paper:
Vaclav Smil (2017). Energy Transitions: Global and National Perspectives. & BP Statistical Review of World Energy..
It is coherent with figures from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.COMM.FO.ZS ; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
The growth is indeed exponential or, arguably, linear since 1950 with a strong slope.
The consumption reached 83,000 TWh in 1990, then 134,000 TWh in 2017.
Using data from the same source, the aggregated numbers confirm that 50% of total (1800-2017) consumption of fossil fuel has happened after 1990.
I basically summed the data in the online-available spreadsheet; I don't think that should be dismissed as "personal research" ?
edit: some comments debate whether fossil fuel consumption is the same as fossil fuel use (as per the OP). I cannot find easily whether the data here refers to the total primary energy of the fuel or to the energy produced after transformation - I strongly suspect it is the former, since it is much easier to compute (at any given time, there are several machines using coal, with different efficiency, so it is much easier to mesure the quantity of coal burned that the output). Moreover, the subtitle of the chart explicitely mentions primary energy. In case I am wrong, this chart should only be considered as a proxy for the question asked.
14
@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
29
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
18
@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
13
@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
23
@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
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show 7 more comments
True
More detailed data confirm the claim.
This chart is taken from https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels ; most data there comes from the published paper:
Vaclav Smil (2017). Energy Transitions: Global and National Perspectives. & BP Statistical Review of World Energy..
It is coherent with figures from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.COMM.FO.ZS ; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
The growth is indeed exponential or, arguably, linear since 1950 with a strong slope.
The consumption reached 83,000 TWh in 1990, then 134,000 TWh in 2017.
Using data from the same source, the aggregated numbers confirm that 50% of total (1800-2017) consumption of fossil fuel has happened after 1990.
I basically summed the data in the online-available spreadsheet; I don't think that should be dismissed as "personal research" ?
edit: some comments debate whether fossil fuel consumption is the same as fossil fuel use (as per the OP). I cannot find easily whether the data here refers to the total primary energy of the fuel or to the energy produced after transformation - I strongly suspect it is the former, since it is much easier to compute (at any given time, there are several machines using coal, with different efficiency, so it is much easier to mesure the quantity of coal burned that the output). Moreover, the subtitle of the chart explicitely mentions primary energy. In case I am wrong, this chart should only be considered as a proxy for the question asked.
True
More detailed data confirm the claim.
This chart is taken from https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels ; most data there comes from the published paper:
Vaclav Smil (2017). Energy Transitions: Global and National Perspectives. & BP Statistical Review of World Energy..
It is coherent with figures from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.COMM.FO.ZS ; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
The growth is indeed exponential or, arguably, linear since 1950 with a strong slope.
The consumption reached 83,000 TWh in 1990, then 134,000 TWh in 2017.
Using data from the same source, the aggregated numbers confirm that 50% of total (1800-2017) consumption of fossil fuel has happened after 1990.
I basically summed the data in the online-available spreadsheet; I don't think that should be dismissed as "personal research" ?
edit: some comments debate whether fossil fuel consumption is the same as fossil fuel use (as per the OP). I cannot find easily whether the data here refers to the total primary energy of the fuel or to the energy produced after transformation - I strongly suspect it is the former, since it is much easier to compute (at any given time, there are several machines using coal, with different efficiency, so it is much easier to mesure the quantity of coal burned that the output). Moreover, the subtitle of the chart explicitely mentions primary energy. In case I am wrong, this chart should only be considered as a proxy for the question asked.
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@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
29
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
18
@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
13
@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
23
@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
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show 7 more comments
14
@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
29
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
18
@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
13
@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
23
@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
14
14
@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
@Acccumulation : that's an important distinction, because it is likely that engines and power plants became more efficient over time, so if we use TWh instead of tonnes, the amount of fuel being consumed will be overestimated.
– vsz
Aug 13 at 4:00
29
29
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
This is energy of the fuel, not extracted useful work. TWh is a commonly used number when discussing various fuels that don't have the same energy density - 1 ton of wood isn't the same as 1 ton of coal.
– Zizy Archer
Aug 13 at 8:55
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@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
@DavidRicherby It says "exponential" or "linear since 1950". The curve could just as easily be fitted with either an exponential or with a piecewise linear function using two pieces, nothing to do with making up of the mind.
– DonFusili
Aug 13 at 11:42
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@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
@DavidRicherby We are not defining a precise mathematical function but describing a curve. Both an exponential or a piecewise linear model would have a good fit with the empirical available data. Maybe figures in 2050 will actually prove that both models were poor predictors.
– Evargalo
Aug 13 at 11:48
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@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
@IanKemp The graph shows the amount of fuel consumed in terms of TWh. There is a constant conversion factor from tonnes of fuel to TWh for each fuel type. It's not showing the downstream production of usable energy (which would require knowing the world's average energy efficiency), it's showing the energy content of the raw fuel that's been burned. This shows the fuel used to produce said energy, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
– Nuclear Wang
Aug 13 at 12:45
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@Evargalo gave an excellent answer proving the numbers, but it's interesting to look at what drives this.
The fact that this is true may be very surprising, but less so once you consider world population and world economic activity. There are literally people alive today who were born when there was less people in the entire world than there is in China today. Boomers were mostly born when there was about 2.5 - 3 billion people. That's right around the combined population of China and India today. Older millenials were born when there less than 5 billion people total. So by 1990 there are around 5.5 billion people, and today we are closing in on 8 billion.
And that might not even be the most shocking way of putting it -- from 1800 to around 1930 the world population doubled once (from 1 to 2 billion). From 1930 to today it doubled twice.
But that's just half the equation, the other half is that economic growth (on a per capita basis) is strongly correlated to energy usage and meat consumption. Both of which, until very recently, required the burning a lot of fossil fuels. Additionally, consider that around 100-150 thousand people are lifted out of extreme poverty every day.
Let's tie that all together. Population has exploded exponentially since the start of the industrial revolution. Next, extreme poverty is being eradicated across the globe, especially since the late 80's. Finally, when people leave extreme poverty, their consumption, particularly of meat, increases dramatically (an excellent case study for this is China over the last 3-4 decades). And improvements in standards of living are directly tied to energy consumption, which until extremely recently was almost entirely generated by burning fossil fuels.
In light of that, the 1990 statistic isn't very surprising at all! It directly follows from population growth and the worldwide average of living standards.
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
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Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
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I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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@Evargalo gave an excellent answer proving the numbers, but it's interesting to look at what drives this.
The fact that this is true may be very surprising, but less so once you consider world population and world economic activity. There are literally people alive today who were born when there was less people in the entire world than there is in China today. Boomers were mostly born when there was about 2.5 - 3 billion people. That's right around the combined population of China and India today. Older millenials were born when there less than 5 billion people total. So by 1990 there are around 5.5 billion people, and today we are closing in on 8 billion.
And that might not even be the most shocking way of putting it -- from 1800 to around 1930 the world population doubled once (from 1 to 2 billion). From 1930 to today it doubled twice.
But that's just half the equation, the other half is that economic growth (on a per capita basis) is strongly correlated to energy usage and meat consumption. Both of which, until very recently, required the burning a lot of fossil fuels. Additionally, consider that around 100-150 thousand people are lifted out of extreme poverty every day.
Let's tie that all together. Population has exploded exponentially since the start of the industrial revolution. Next, extreme poverty is being eradicated across the globe, especially since the late 80's. Finally, when people leave extreme poverty, their consumption, particularly of meat, increases dramatically (an excellent case study for this is China over the last 3-4 decades). And improvements in standards of living are directly tied to energy consumption, which until extremely recently was almost entirely generated by burning fossil fuels.
In light of that, the 1990 statistic isn't very surprising at all! It directly follows from population growth and the worldwide average of living standards.
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
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Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
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I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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@Evargalo gave an excellent answer proving the numbers, but it's interesting to look at what drives this.
The fact that this is true may be very surprising, but less so once you consider world population and world economic activity. There are literally people alive today who were born when there was less people in the entire world than there is in China today. Boomers were mostly born when there was about 2.5 - 3 billion people. That's right around the combined population of China and India today. Older millenials were born when there less than 5 billion people total. So by 1990 there are around 5.5 billion people, and today we are closing in on 8 billion.
And that might not even be the most shocking way of putting it -- from 1800 to around 1930 the world population doubled once (from 1 to 2 billion). From 1930 to today it doubled twice.
But that's just half the equation, the other half is that economic growth (on a per capita basis) is strongly correlated to energy usage and meat consumption. Both of which, until very recently, required the burning a lot of fossil fuels. Additionally, consider that around 100-150 thousand people are lifted out of extreme poverty every day.
Let's tie that all together. Population has exploded exponentially since the start of the industrial revolution. Next, extreme poverty is being eradicated across the globe, especially since the late 80's. Finally, when people leave extreme poverty, their consumption, particularly of meat, increases dramatically (an excellent case study for this is China over the last 3-4 decades). And improvements in standards of living are directly tied to energy consumption, which until extremely recently was almost entirely generated by burning fossil fuels.
In light of that, the 1990 statistic isn't very surprising at all! It directly follows from population growth and the worldwide average of living standards.
@Evargalo gave an excellent answer proving the numbers, but it's interesting to look at what drives this.
The fact that this is true may be very surprising, but less so once you consider world population and world economic activity. There are literally people alive today who were born when there was less people in the entire world than there is in China today. Boomers were mostly born when there was about 2.5 - 3 billion people. That's right around the combined population of China and India today. Older millenials were born when there less than 5 billion people total. So by 1990 there are around 5.5 billion people, and today we are closing in on 8 billion.
And that might not even be the most shocking way of putting it -- from 1800 to around 1930 the world population doubled once (from 1 to 2 billion). From 1930 to today it doubled twice.
But that's just half the equation, the other half is that economic growth (on a per capita basis) is strongly correlated to energy usage and meat consumption. Both of which, until very recently, required the burning a lot of fossil fuels. Additionally, consider that around 100-150 thousand people are lifted out of extreme poverty every day.
Let's tie that all together. Population has exploded exponentially since the start of the industrial revolution. Next, extreme poverty is being eradicated across the globe, especially since the late 80's. Finally, when people leave extreme poverty, their consumption, particularly of meat, increases dramatically (an excellent case study for this is China over the last 3-4 decades). And improvements in standards of living are directly tied to energy consumption, which until extremely recently was almost entirely generated by burning fossil fuels.
In light of that, the 1990 statistic isn't very surprising at all! It directly follows from population growth and the worldwide average of living standards.
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
2
Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
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I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
2
Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
1
I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
You need to add references to your answer and not just be your own conjecture and theory-crafting. Otherwise your question is likely to be downvoted and deleted.
– DenisS
Aug 15 at 20:37
2
2
Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
Please provide some references to support your claims.
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:07
1
1
I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
I'm also not comforatable that this is answering the question. It seems like it could be summarised as a comment on Evaglo's answer: "Population growth explains x% of the increase. Standard of living improvements explain much of the rest."
– Oddthinking♦
Aug 16 at 4:09
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
700 million people today (the richest 10%) are responsible for a half of the carbon emissions - à good proxy for consumption of fossil fuels. Demographics played a part in the booming of the emissions, but not the biggest one (until today at least).
– Evargalo
Aug 21 at 6:05
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
Why is this voted down? It is one of the more validating answers here. If one even assumes there must be something 'wrong' with the cumulative fossil fuel use plotting shown by the TS, this post by @eps is quite convincing not to even remotely doubt it. Even if his response was a religious one, it beats every biblical terminology in how trustworthy it is. Every child knows what eps wrote is true.
– Julius
Sep 6 at 10:01
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A historical data series is never truly exponential. We would have to plot the data on a semi-log plot and look at how straight it looks to assess that claim.
– Ross Millikan
Aug 13 at 3:39
Do we even know where all fossil fuels are located? Until then, it's all guesswork. There's probably a lot of nuances here that may make or break the validity of this statement.
– Mast
Aug 13 at 13:49
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@Mast - that's what I thought, too, until I realized the 100% in the chart doesn't refer to "100% of the fossil energy available to mankind", merely "100% of the fossil energy spent to-date."
– Kevin
Aug 13 at 14:46
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@Mast: It seems you misunderstood both title and body of the question. The availability of fossil fuels, a.k.a. "peak oil", hasn't been at the core of the discussion for many years now. We already "know" about much more fossil fuel than we should ever use...
– DevSolar
Aug 13 at 15:31
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@Michael: Exhaustion of reserves would probably been better for all involved...
– DevSolar
Aug 14 at 9:09