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How to properly translate the key phrase of Erdoğan's 2016 letter to Putin, “kusura bakmasınlar,” to Russian
How to translate «State of the art»?How does one translate “one” (as in this very question)?How to translate “You are not logged in” into RussianHow non-native Russian language course will approach to deciphering the phrase “Косил косой косой косой”?How to translate “Doing what makes you feel fulfilled”?What is the Russian equivalent of the phrase “as in”?How to say reference in Russian?In Russian, how do you say “shall we say, graduated” euphemistically?Why is the Turkish president's surname spelt in Russian as Эрдоган, with г?How can I elegantly translate gerundives to Russian?
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My question is this: What is the proper or most usual/standard way to translate the Turkish common phrase "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian?
Let me now explain why I got interested as well as the meaning and usage of that Turkish phrase and the research I have done.
Russian media and the Russian presidential website claim that Turkey's President Erdoğan apologized for shooting down a Russian military plane in his 2016 letter addressed to Putin (link1),(link2), but a central Turkish news agency, Anadolu, claims that the letter "did not include any words of 'apology'" (link3).
According to Erdoğan's spokesman İbrahim Kalın, the exact original expression in the letter is as follows:
kusura bakmasınlar diyorum
"Diyorum" means "I say," and "kusura bakmasınlar" is a form of the common Turkish expression "kusura bakma." "Kusura" is the dative case of the noun "kusur," which is defined in Wiktionary as "defect, fault, flaw," whilst "bakma" is the second-person singular negative imperative of the verb "bakmak," which is the Turkish verb for "to look," so the literal meaning of "kusura bakma" is "do not look at the fault." Here is how a native Turkish speaker explains the usage of "kusura bakma":
For example, you are at your friend's house, you dropped the glass and it got broken, you would say: Kusura bakma, or Kusuruma bakma lit. please neglect my fault. Or perhaps, you met a friend of yours after a long time, he used to be married but not anymore, however you don't know that. You might say: "So, are you two still dreaming about having twins?". He would tell you that he got divorced, to which you could say: "Aah! Kusura bakma ya...". (Source)
Another native Turkish speaker told me via Facebook that the purpose of saying "kusura bakma" is to inform that the fault was unintentional. "Bakmasınlar" is the third-person plural negative imperative of the same verb "bakmak" (link) and literally means "they should not look," so "kusura bakmasınlar" literally means "the fault should not be looked at." This sounds different from the official Kremin translation ("извините") and seems to confirm the words of the Anadolu news agency that there was no apology.
What I am looking for is how "kusura bakmasınlar" is usually translated to Russian in, e.g., books or movies. The key question for me is whether the official Kremlin translation is different from the standard practice of translating that phrase to Russian.
I did my own research, but it has not been fruitful. In Reverso there are no Turkish-Russian translations. Reverso has a few Turkish-English translations of that phrase, but they are conflicting - "regrets" vs "apologies." On the Internet I found conflicting statements as to what Russian translation is correct, with the suggested variants being "не взыщите," "не обессудьте / не судите строго за ошибку," and "извините." I was unable to find any examples of translation of that phrase in books or movies.
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My question is this: What is the proper or most usual/standard way to translate the Turkish common phrase "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian?
Let me now explain why I got interested as well as the meaning and usage of that Turkish phrase and the research I have done.
Russian media and the Russian presidential website claim that Turkey's President Erdoğan apologized for shooting down a Russian military plane in his 2016 letter addressed to Putin (link1),(link2), but a central Turkish news agency, Anadolu, claims that the letter "did not include any words of 'apology'" (link3).
According to Erdoğan's spokesman İbrahim Kalın, the exact original expression in the letter is as follows:
kusura bakmasınlar diyorum
"Diyorum" means "I say," and "kusura bakmasınlar" is a form of the common Turkish expression "kusura bakma." "Kusura" is the dative case of the noun "kusur," which is defined in Wiktionary as "defect, fault, flaw," whilst "bakma" is the second-person singular negative imperative of the verb "bakmak," which is the Turkish verb for "to look," so the literal meaning of "kusura bakma" is "do not look at the fault." Here is how a native Turkish speaker explains the usage of "kusura bakma":
For example, you are at your friend's house, you dropped the glass and it got broken, you would say: Kusura bakma, or Kusuruma bakma lit. please neglect my fault. Or perhaps, you met a friend of yours after a long time, he used to be married but not anymore, however you don't know that. You might say: "So, are you two still dreaming about having twins?". He would tell you that he got divorced, to which you could say: "Aah! Kusura bakma ya...". (Source)
Another native Turkish speaker told me via Facebook that the purpose of saying "kusura bakma" is to inform that the fault was unintentional. "Bakmasınlar" is the third-person plural negative imperative of the same verb "bakmak" (link) and literally means "they should not look," so "kusura bakmasınlar" literally means "the fault should not be looked at." This sounds different from the official Kremin translation ("извините") and seems to confirm the words of the Anadolu news agency that there was no apology.
What I am looking for is how "kusura bakmasınlar" is usually translated to Russian in, e.g., books or movies. The key question for me is whether the official Kremlin translation is different from the standard practice of translating that phrase to Russian.
I did my own research, but it has not been fruitful. In Reverso there are no Turkish-Russian translations. Reverso has a few Turkish-English translations of that phrase, but they are conflicting - "regrets" vs "apologies." On the Internet I found conflicting statements as to what Russian translation is correct, with the suggested variants being "не взыщите," "не обессудьте / не судите строго за ошибку," and "извините." I was unable to find any examples of translation of that phrase in books or movies.
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– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
1
Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
2
@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
2
@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
1
The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22
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My question is this: What is the proper or most usual/standard way to translate the Turkish common phrase "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian?
Let me now explain why I got interested as well as the meaning and usage of that Turkish phrase and the research I have done.
Russian media and the Russian presidential website claim that Turkey's President Erdoğan apologized for shooting down a Russian military plane in his 2016 letter addressed to Putin (link1),(link2), but a central Turkish news agency, Anadolu, claims that the letter "did not include any words of 'apology'" (link3).
According to Erdoğan's spokesman İbrahim Kalın, the exact original expression in the letter is as follows:
kusura bakmasınlar diyorum
"Diyorum" means "I say," and "kusura bakmasınlar" is a form of the common Turkish expression "kusura bakma." "Kusura" is the dative case of the noun "kusur," which is defined in Wiktionary as "defect, fault, flaw," whilst "bakma" is the second-person singular negative imperative of the verb "bakmak," which is the Turkish verb for "to look," so the literal meaning of "kusura bakma" is "do not look at the fault." Here is how a native Turkish speaker explains the usage of "kusura bakma":
For example, you are at your friend's house, you dropped the glass and it got broken, you would say: Kusura bakma, or Kusuruma bakma lit. please neglect my fault. Or perhaps, you met a friend of yours after a long time, he used to be married but not anymore, however you don't know that. You might say: "So, are you two still dreaming about having twins?". He would tell you that he got divorced, to which you could say: "Aah! Kusura bakma ya...". (Source)
Another native Turkish speaker told me via Facebook that the purpose of saying "kusura bakma" is to inform that the fault was unintentional. "Bakmasınlar" is the third-person plural negative imperative of the same verb "bakmak" (link) and literally means "they should not look," so "kusura bakmasınlar" literally means "the fault should not be looked at." This sounds different from the official Kremin translation ("извините") and seems to confirm the words of the Anadolu news agency that there was no apology.
What I am looking for is how "kusura bakmasınlar" is usually translated to Russian in, e.g., books or movies. The key question for me is whether the official Kremlin translation is different from the standard practice of translating that phrase to Russian.
I did my own research, but it has not been fruitful. In Reverso there are no Turkish-Russian translations. Reverso has a few Turkish-English translations of that phrase, but they are conflicting - "regrets" vs "apologies." On the Internet I found conflicting statements as to what Russian translation is correct, with the suggested variants being "не взыщите," "не обессудьте / не судите строго за ошибку," and "извините." I was unable to find any examples of translation of that phrase in books or movies.
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My question is this: What is the proper or most usual/standard way to translate the Turkish common phrase "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian?
Let me now explain why I got interested as well as the meaning and usage of that Turkish phrase and the research I have done.
Russian media and the Russian presidential website claim that Turkey's President Erdoğan apologized for shooting down a Russian military plane in his 2016 letter addressed to Putin (link1),(link2), but a central Turkish news agency, Anadolu, claims that the letter "did not include any words of 'apology'" (link3).
According to Erdoğan's spokesman İbrahim Kalın, the exact original expression in the letter is as follows:
kusura bakmasınlar diyorum
"Diyorum" means "I say," and "kusura bakmasınlar" is a form of the common Turkish expression "kusura bakma." "Kusura" is the dative case of the noun "kusur," which is defined in Wiktionary as "defect, fault, flaw," whilst "bakma" is the second-person singular negative imperative of the verb "bakmak," which is the Turkish verb for "to look," so the literal meaning of "kusura bakma" is "do not look at the fault." Here is how a native Turkish speaker explains the usage of "kusura bakma":
For example, you are at your friend's house, you dropped the glass and it got broken, you would say: Kusura bakma, or Kusuruma bakma lit. please neglect my fault. Or perhaps, you met a friend of yours after a long time, he used to be married but not anymore, however you don't know that. You might say: "So, are you two still dreaming about having twins?". He would tell you that he got divorced, to which you could say: "Aah! Kusura bakma ya...". (Source)
Another native Turkish speaker told me via Facebook that the purpose of saying "kusura bakma" is to inform that the fault was unintentional. "Bakmasınlar" is the third-person plural negative imperative of the same verb "bakmak" (link) and literally means "they should not look," so "kusura bakmasınlar" literally means "the fault should not be looked at." This sounds different from the official Kremin translation ("извините") and seems to confirm the words of the Anadolu news agency that there was no apology.
What I am looking for is how "kusura bakmasınlar" is usually translated to Russian in, e.g., books or movies. The key question for me is whether the official Kremlin translation is different from the standard practice of translating that phrase to Russian.
I did my own research, but it has not been fruitful. In Reverso there are no Turkish-Russian translations. Reverso has a few Turkish-English translations of that phrase, but they are conflicting - "regrets" vs "apologies." On the Internet I found conflicting statements as to what Russian translation is correct, with the suggested variants being "не взыщите," "не обессудьте / не судите строго за ошибку," and "извините." I was unable to find any examples of translation of that phrase in books or movies.
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– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
1
Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
2
@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
2
@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
1
The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22
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show 8 more comments
краткость - сестра таланта
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
1
Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
2
@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
2
@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
1
The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22
краткость - сестра таланта
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
краткость - сестра таланта
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
1
1
Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
2
2
@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
2
2
@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
1
1
The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22
The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22
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Here is what good Russian-Turkish dictionaries printed before 2015 write about kusura bakma.
Юсипова Р.Р., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва,
Русский язык — Медиа, 2005. Около 80 000 слов и выражений. Страница 376:
The next one is by a famous Soviet turkologist Nikolai Baskakov:
Баскаков Н.А., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва, Русский язык, 1977. 48 000 слов. Страница 576:
As you can see, both dictionaries translate the phrase as простите, извините, and also as не взыщите which I like the most, since the Turkish expression really does not contain Turkish verbs for прощать or извинять. Не взыщите actually means the same, but it is constructed more like the Turkish phrase, with a negation, and it can be roughly translated as "don't make me pay [for it]; don't prosecute [me], do not hold it against me".
Взыскать on Wiktionary.
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Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
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My answer may sound flippant but based on what i've managed to gather from your explanation, semantically (not stylistically) suitable Russian equivalents may be slangy imperatives забей and не заморачивайся.
In more decent terms не обращай внимания, не бери (дурное) в голову.
The first 2 variants you listed are good literary alternatives.
My suggestions stem from my understanding of the phrase connotation in the exchange between Erdogan and Putin. In the situation of a broken glass the slangy and colloquial expressions i mentioned will sound inconsiderate and rude
just as they would in a diplomatic correspondence. And they aren't suitable semantically at all in the situation with a divorced friend. In Russian in such situation one would either say a, извини, не знал (women ой, извини, не знала) or without apology simply а, не знал (ой, не знала), because there's essentially nothing to apologize for. For having semblance of apology сожалею can be said.
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
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Jul 7 at 18:32
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Here is what good Russian-Turkish dictionaries printed before 2015 write about kusura bakma.
Юсипова Р.Р., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва,
Русский язык — Медиа, 2005. Около 80 000 слов и выражений. Страница 376:
The next one is by a famous Soviet turkologist Nikolai Baskakov:
Баскаков Н.А., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва, Русский язык, 1977. 48 000 слов. Страница 576:
As you can see, both dictionaries translate the phrase as простите, извините, and also as не взыщите which I like the most, since the Turkish expression really does not contain Turkish verbs for прощать or извинять. Не взыщите actually means the same, but it is constructed more like the Turkish phrase, with a negation, and it can be roughly translated as "don't make me pay [for it]; don't prosecute [me], do not hold it against me".
Взыскать on Wiktionary.
1
Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
add a comment
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Here is what good Russian-Turkish dictionaries printed before 2015 write about kusura bakma.
Юсипова Р.Р., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва,
Русский язык — Медиа, 2005. Около 80 000 слов и выражений. Страница 376:
The next one is by a famous Soviet turkologist Nikolai Baskakov:
Баскаков Н.А., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва, Русский язык, 1977. 48 000 слов. Страница 576:
As you can see, both dictionaries translate the phrase as простите, извините, and also as не взыщите which I like the most, since the Turkish expression really does not contain Turkish verbs for прощать or извинять. Не взыщите actually means the same, but it is constructed more like the Turkish phrase, with a negation, and it can be roughly translated as "don't make me pay [for it]; don't prosecute [me], do not hold it against me".
Взыскать on Wiktionary.
1
Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
add a comment
|
Here is what good Russian-Turkish dictionaries printed before 2015 write about kusura bakma.
Юсипова Р.Р., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва,
Русский язык — Медиа, 2005. Около 80 000 слов и выражений. Страница 376:
The next one is by a famous Soviet turkologist Nikolai Baskakov:
Баскаков Н.А., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва, Русский язык, 1977. 48 000 слов. Страница 576:
As you can see, both dictionaries translate the phrase as простите, извините, and also as не взыщите which I like the most, since the Turkish expression really does not contain Turkish verbs for прощать or извинять. Не взыщите actually means the same, but it is constructed more like the Turkish phrase, with a negation, and it can be roughly translated as "don't make me pay [for it]; don't prosecute [me], do not hold it against me".
Взыскать on Wiktionary.
Here is what good Russian-Turkish dictionaries printed before 2015 write about kusura bakma.
Юсипова Р.Р., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва,
Русский язык — Медиа, 2005. Около 80 000 слов и выражений. Страница 376:
The next one is by a famous Soviet turkologist Nikolai Baskakov:
Баскаков Н.А., Турецко-русский словарь, Москва, Русский язык, 1977. 48 000 слов. Страница 576:
As you can see, both dictionaries translate the phrase as простите, извините, and also as не взыщите which I like the most, since the Turkish expression really does not contain Turkish verbs for прощать or извинять. Не взыщите actually means the same, but it is constructed more like the Turkish phrase, with a negation, and it can be roughly translated as "don't make me pay [for it]; don't prosecute [me], do not hold it against me".
Взыскать on Wiktionary.
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Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
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Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
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Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
Thanks a lot, this is really an enlightening answer. So it is not uncommon to translate it as "извините" despite that "не взыщите" is closer.
– Mitsuko
Jul 8 at 1:41
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My answer may sound flippant but based on what i've managed to gather from your explanation, semantically (not stylistically) suitable Russian equivalents may be slangy imperatives забей and не заморачивайся.
In more decent terms не обращай внимания, не бери (дурное) в голову.
The first 2 variants you listed are good literary alternatives.
My suggestions stem from my understanding of the phrase connotation in the exchange between Erdogan and Putin. In the situation of a broken glass the slangy and colloquial expressions i mentioned will sound inconsiderate and rude
just as they would in a diplomatic correspondence. And they aren't suitable semantically at all in the situation with a divorced friend. In Russian in such situation one would either say a, извини, не знал (women ой, извини, не знала) or without apology simply а, не знал (ой, не знала), because there's essentially nothing to apologize for. For having semblance of apology сожалею can be said.
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
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My answer may sound flippant but based on what i've managed to gather from your explanation, semantically (not stylistically) suitable Russian equivalents may be slangy imperatives забей and не заморачивайся.
In more decent terms не обращай внимания, не бери (дурное) в голову.
The first 2 variants you listed are good literary alternatives.
My suggestions stem from my understanding of the phrase connotation in the exchange between Erdogan and Putin. In the situation of a broken glass the slangy and colloquial expressions i mentioned will sound inconsiderate and rude
just as they would in a diplomatic correspondence. And they aren't suitable semantically at all in the situation with a divorced friend. In Russian in such situation one would either say a, извини, не знал (women ой, извини, не знала) or without apology simply а, не знал (ой, не знала), because there's essentially nothing to apologize for. For having semblance of apology сожалею can be said.
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
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show 5 more comments
My answer may sound flippant but based on what i've managed to gather from your explanation, semantically (not stylistically) suitable Russian equivalents may be slangy imperatives забей and не заморачивайся.
In more decent terms не обращай внимания, не бери (дурное) в голову.
The first 2 variants you listed are good literary alternatives.
My suggestions stem from my understanding of the phrase connotation in the exchange between Erdogan and Putin. In the situation of a broken glass the slangy and colloquial expressions i mentioned will sound inconsiderate and rude
just as they would in a diplomatic correspondence. And they aren't suitable semantically at all in the situation with a divorced friend. In Russian in such situation one would either say a, извини, не знал (women ой, извини, не знала) or without apology simply а, не знал (ой, не знала), because there's essentially nothing to apologize for. For having semblance of apology сожалею can be said.
My answer may sound flippant but based on what i've managed to gather from your explanation, semantically (not stylistically) suitable Russian equivalents may be slangy imperatives забей and не заморачивайся.
In more decent terms не обращай внимания, не бери (дурное) в голову.
The first 2 variants you listed are good literary alternatives.
My suggestions stem from my understanding of the phrase connotation in the exchange between Erdogan and Putin. In the situation of a broken glass the slangy and colloquial expressions i mentioned will sound inconsiderate and rude
just as they would in a diplomatic correspondence. And they aren't suitable semantically at all in the situation with a divorced friend. In Russian in such situation one would either say a, извини, не знал (women ой, извини, не знала) or without apology simply а, не знал (ой, не знала), because there's essentially nothing to apologize for. For having semblance of apology сожалею can be said.
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answered Jul 7 at 17:51
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Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
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show 5 more comments
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Thanks a lot, I now know more Russian phrases. But my question is about the actual practice. I want to compare Kremlin's translation with how the same phrase is usually translated in books and movies. The key question is whether the Kremlin altered the standard translation for political motives.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:04
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
Do you really think the expressions you mentioned are really suitable in the situations with the glass and the divorced friend Mitsuko mentioned? As for me your expressions are used not by the party that did something wrong, but by those who'd like to soothe the one who did wrong.
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 18:13
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
By the way, if I were to translate "kusura bakmasınlar" to Russian, I would say smth like, "не стоит придавать значение этому недосмотру." Maybe even "мы не нарочно это сделали"? I am really curious how this phrase (or at least "kusura bakma") is ACTUALLY translated to Russian from any Turkish sources different from that letter by Erdogan.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:26
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@Mitsuko you'd have to ask Russians versed in Turkish
– Баян Купи-ка
Jul 7 at 18:30
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
@БаянКупи-ка : Aren't there any Turkish books translated to Russian, with the original text available? Then I could search for kusura bakma(sınlar) there and compare with the Russian translation.
– Mitsuko
Jul 7 at 18:32
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краткость - сестра таланта
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 16:34
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Google translates kusura bakmasınlar as I'm sorry and its analogs into all the languages it has. Do you think the KGB edited it?
– Yellow Sky
Jul 7 at 17:41
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@БаянКупи-ка it's reopened
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:43
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@Mitsuko I really appreciate that - honestly, now it's way, way clearer - thank you for you effort!
– shabunc♦
Jul 7 at 17:44
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The case reminds me of a somewhat similar incident between China and the US quite a few years ago. In the end the Americans said "We are sorry!" and the Chinese claimed "Yes! They apologized!"
– Zeus
Jul 8 at 4:22