Is straight-up writing someone's opinions telling?How do I show and not tell a backstory?Exercises for improving 3rd person perspective writingIs Jaime Lannister a “telling not showing” example?Writing differently when following different character POVs - mainly age difference. (3rd Person)Writing my Watson tropeAt what point do you draw the line of showing, and not telling, or vice versa?How do I transition from a day to another smoothly in a short story that takes place over of seven straight days?Is it okay to include world-building facts by “telling” instead of “showing”?How do you tell a character's backstory without explicitly telling it?Promoting controversial opinions in a work of fiction
Why is it “Cat in the Hat”?
Physical interpretation of complex numbers
What is the role of Shutter Speed while using a Manual Flash?
What is this sound, instrument? (Rheingold, Wagner)
Do Macs come with any programming language available from the Terminal?
Do airplanes need brakes in the air?
What on earth is this small wall-mounted computer?
How to get out of the Ice Palace in Zelda A link to the Past?
Improving the observation skill & making less blunders
I somehow "proved" that given any LTI system, its transfer function has to be constant. What am I missing?
How do I find the unknown program enabled during Start-Up?
Google just EOLed the original Pixel. How long until it's a brick?
Novel where a serial killer lives (almost) forever by swapping bodies
Does a motor suffer damage when resistance to the intended motion is met?
How do the Martian rebels defeat Earth when they're grossly outnumbered and outgunned?
My name causes an issue with any booking!
Is there a right/wrong way to figure out how my world name would evolve into middle English from Arabic?
What was the first operating system that supported preemptive multitasking?
What is the meaning of "Ya con hotra y como se yama mijo"?
Visiting a place in Brussels where Pink Floyd recorded a video
Pi to the power y, for small y's
What is the difference between diminished fifth and augmented fourth?
What is the difference between turbojet and turbofan engines?
Does a symmetric positive definite matrix also have A = L^T * L, (L is lower triangular matrix)?
Is straight-up writing someone's opinions telling?
How do I show and not tell a backstory?Exercises for improving 3rd person perspective writingIs Jaime Lannister a “telling not showing” example?Writing differently when following different character POVs - mainly age difference. (3rd Person)Writing my Watson tropeAt what point do you draw the line of showing, and not telling, or vice versa?How do I transition from a day to another smoothly in a short story that takes place over of seven straight days?Is it okay to include world-building facts by “telling” instead of “showing”?How do you tell a character's backstory without explicitly telling it?Promoting controversial opinions in a work of fiction
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty
margin-bottom:0;
.everyonelovesstackoverflowposition:absolute;height:1px;width:1px;opacity:0;top:0;left:0;pointer-events:none;
When I first learned about the "show don't tell" guideline, I believe it applied to everything. I have now learned there are many grey areas, like for example exposition, and that the most important thing to remember is that emotions must be shown, not told.
So, what about opinions? Attitudes people have, etc.? I'd say opinions and attitudes to certain things are integral parts of someone's personality, and if you're telling someone's personality, instead of showing it through their actions or conveying it through dialogue, then that's bad writing.
Here's the sentence in question that I am currently critiquing:
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
There is a conflict, between Visa and Reino. Now, I reacted to the fact that it says, straight-up "Reino respected confidence". I believed in such cases, one would show his respect and acknowledgement as Visa portrayed confidence. I.e.:
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
Now, this writing is pretty terrible, but at least I'm showing his respect and acknowledgement. And another way I believe to do it, whilst still staying within the "show don't tell" guideline is to convey the information through dialogue/monologue/thought.
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects confidence.
Not only is the fact that Reino respects confidence conveyed, but a little of Visa's personality is illuminated as well. Now, I probably did it a bit too on the nose, so that it is practically still "telling", but it is the concept I'm talking about.
Though, I honestly don't know. Perhaps it is completely acceptable and good writing to just write "...Reino respected confidence."? Perhaps that is even better than my options?
characters showing-telling third-person
|
show 2 more comments
When I first learned about the "show don't tell" guideline, I believe it applied to everything. I have now learned there are many grey areas, like for example exposition, and that the most important thing to remember is that emotions must be shown, not told.
So, what about opinions? Attitudes people have, etc.? I'd say opinions and attitudes to certain things are integral parts of someone's personality, and if you're telling someone's personality, instead of showing it through their actions or conveying it through dialogue, then that's bad writing.
Here's the sentence in question that I am currently critiquing:
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
There is a conflict, between Visa and Reino. Now, I reacted to the fact that it says, straight-up "Reino respected confidence". I believed in such cases, one would show his respect and acknowledgement as Visa portrayed confidence. I.e.:
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
Now, this writing is pretty terrible, but at least I'm showing his respect and acknowledgement. And another way I believe to do it, whilst still staying within the "show don't tell" guideline is to convey the information through dialogue/monologue/thought.
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects confidence.
Not only is the fact that Reino respects confidence conveyed, but a little of Visa's personality is illuminated as well. Now, I probably did it a bit too on the nose, so that it is practically still "telling", but it is the concept I'm talking about.
Though, I honestly don't know. Perhaps it is completely acceptable and good writing to just write "...Reino respected confidence."? Perhaps that is even better than my options?
characters showing-telling third-person
1
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
6
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
2
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
3
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16
|
show 2 more comments
When I first learned about the "show don't tell" guideline, I believe it applied to everything. I have now learned there are many grey areas, like for example exposition, and that the most important thing to remember is that emotions must be shown, not told.
So, what about opinions? Attitudes people have, etc.? I'd say opinions and attitudes to certain things are integral parts of someone's personality, and if you're telling someone's personality, instead of showing it through their actions or conveying it through dialogue, then that's bad writing.
Here's the sentence in question that I am currently critiquing:
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
There is a conflict, between Visa and Reino. Now, I reacted to the fact that it says, straight-up "Reino respected confidence". I believed in such cases, one would show his respect and acknowledgement as Visa portrayed confidence. I.e.:
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
Now, this writing is pretty terrible, but at least I'm showing his respect and acknowledgement. And another way I believe to do it, whilst still staying within the "show don't tell" guideline is to convey the information through dialogue/monologue/thought.
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects confidence.
Not only is the fact that Reino respects confidence conveyed, but a little of Visa's personality is illuminated as well. Now, I probably did it a bit too on the nose, so that it is practically still "telling", but it is the concept I'm talking about.
Though, I honestly don't know. Perhaps it is completely acceptable and good writing to just write "...Reino respected confidence."? Perhaps that is even better than my options?
characters showing-telling third-person
When I first learned about the "show don't tell" guideline, I believe it applied to everything. I have now learned there are many grey areas, like for example exposition, and that the most important thing to remember is that emotions must be shown, not told.
So, what about opinions? Attitudes people have, etc.? I'd say opinions and attitudes to certain things are integral parts of someone's personality, and if you're telling someone's personality, instead of showing it through their actions or conveying it through dialogue, then that's bad writing.
Here's the sentence in question that I am currently critiquing:
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
There is a conflict, between Visa and Reino. Now, I reacted to the fact that it says, straight-up "Reino respected confidence". I believed in such cases, one would show his respect and acknowledgement as Visa portrayed confidence. I.e.:
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
Now, this writing is pretty terrible, but at least I'm showing his respect and acknowledgement. And another way I believe to do it, whilst still staying within the "show don't tell" guideline is to convey the information through dialogue/monologue/thought.
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects confidence.
Not only is the fact that Reino respects confidence conveyed, but a little of Visa's personality is illuminated as well. Now, I probably did it a bit too on the nose, so that it is practically still "telling", but it is the concept I'm talking about.
Though, I honestly don't know. Perhaps it is completely acceptable and good writing to just write "...Reino respected confidence."? Perhaps that is even better than my options?
characters showing-telling third-person
characters showing-telling third-person
edited Jul 16 at 22:05
A. Kvåle
asked Jul 16 at 11:10
A. KvåleA. Kvåle
2,14216 silver badges44 bronze badges
2,14216 silver badges44 bronze badges
1
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
6
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
2
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
3
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16
|
show 2 more comments
1
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
6
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
2
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
3
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16
1
1
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
6
6
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
2
2
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
3
3
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16
|
show 2 more comments
7 Answers
7
active
oldest
votes
You're taking "show, don't tell" too strictly. There's no rules in writing - they're more what you'd call guidelines.
If you're in doubt about a passage, write it both ways. Then see which one feels more natural, and which one feels weird and convoluted. If you're finding yourself writing in an unnatural and convoluted manner just to follow some rule, don't follow the rule.
In particular, things that your POV character already knows about another character, or about the world, or things that everybody knows - it is very common that those be told. What you're showing then is that your POV character knows something, and acts with regards to that information.
"Show, don't tell" has a rationale. If you show nothing at all, if your whole story is written in drab monotone, there's little for me to connect to. If you're telling me one thing, but showing another, for example you're telling me that a character is courageous, but he's never showing that quality, and in fact bravely runs away away, that can create a disconnect. But this doesn't mean you have to show everything.
The "show, don't tell" idea comes from cinema, where you can indeed show. Literature is a medium of telling a story. You want to tell it vividly, you want it all to appear in your reader's mind, as if they were there, and the rain were falling on their faces, and an eerie scythe-like moon were lighting the path in front. But in the end, you're still telling.
add a comment
|
Agree with Galastel's answer, most writing "rules" are just guides so you understand the general effect on the reader.
However, just picking the one that "feels natural" isn't very objective, so I'll try to be specific how each version changes the effect on the reader.
Breaking the "rule" is sometimes how you signal subtext that changes the meaning.
Visa squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
The unspoken subtext is that Reino is influenced by appearances. He is willing to follow someone who simply fakes it with confidence. Visa's pretty sure about Reino. As a reader, I am not questioning it.
(See Jane Austen's Free Indirect Speech for how to reveal character bias when their opinion is stated as a "fact" by the narrator.)
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects
confidence.
In this case, you draw attention that this is just Visa's opinion of Reino. You are signaling to the reader that Visa might be wrong, or at the very least that Visa is self-consciously trying to manipulate Reino. The subtext shifts, and I am more suspicious of Visa than Reino.
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows
rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
I honestly get nothing from this passage. Body parts are moving, but you are not telling me what it means so it is cold and abstract. I am sort of forgetting it as I read because it feels like modern dance choreography that doesn't connect to any clear emotions or meaning.
Beware of filter words where the reader observes an observer. It creates emotional distance between the reader and the characters.
Showing actions without telling us their meaning works when the character's motions are unambiguous, and their emotions are deliberately being obscured:
She left her unfinished drink on the bar and quickly walked away. She didn't look back.
Here the character's motions are unambiguous. We don't know exactly what she's thinking because she doesn't want other characters to know either. The reader has a similar experience to any observer in the scene. We infer her emotions from her actions.
add a comment
|
I would add one word to that (then I'll tell you why):
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing Reino respected confidence.
An opinion is part of somebody's internal life; and how they see the world.
Without the word 'knowing', it is the narrator telling us something about Reino's internal life, and we have to guess that Visa knows this.
By adding the word 'knowing', the narrator is telling us something about Visa's internal life and why he is squaring his shoulders, because he believes something about Reino. (and I am presuming from the context that Visa is the POV character.)
In writing it is okay for the narrator to reveal inner thoughts of the POV character for a given scene, that can be done as direct thoughts (in italics), or direct dialogue with other characters, or indirectly in prose as a description of thoughts that isn't in a verbatim thought-by-thought form. Or a mix of the two, for example:
Britney walked half an hour, thinking over her conversation with Tomason, and near the first mile marker she realized something: Tomason was not lying to protect himself, it was to protect Jack! All the lies protected Jack. she stopped walking. Why would he protect Jack?
If you are talking about somebody's opinion, be sure to attribute it to them.
This can be in thoughts, but remember (for the sake of realism) that most opinions are not reviewed in detail by the people that hold them, and are almost never reasoned out in thoughts, they come in snippets as they apply to a situation. Again, as above, the reason Visa squares his shoulders is he believes it will help to show confidence. We don't need to learn why he believes this and who taught him that and when and where and how many times he has used it, or what happened to make him believe that Reino respects it -- We just need to know this is a belief he holds or something he knows.
add a comment
|
I'll add to Galastel answer about the general limits of the "show don't tell" paradigm. You are indeed allowed to tell when its more natural to do so; the catch being that while there are guidelines (and we'll be more than happy to give you some) the ultimate decision on what feels better is up to you.
In your particular case, this
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence
works better than this
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
This by the simple fact that the PoV is following Visa. Visa knows something about Reino and acts accordingly. So, you're telling something about Visa's beliefs rather than actual truth. Sure, you could go into a lengthy explanation or a flashback, showing how Visa knows that Reino respects confidence ... but would it serve your narrative?
Probably not.
Showing and telling are tools, not different from a first person narrator opposed to a third person one. You have to keep them in the toolbox, but deciding which one to pick in a given situation is up to you.
add a comment
|
All writing in print is (technically) telling. You can "show" in a movie or a play, but everything you're doing in a book is telling, if you want to get technical about it. A lot of times it is better to go with the more immersive choice, the one that puts you more in the head and the experience of the character, but not always.
In this case, one option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing that Reino respected confidence.
You're "showing" Visa's actions, and telling his state of mind, and that's okay.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, and did his best to look confident in front of Reino.
This is a mixture of telling and showing about Visa's actions.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders and puffed up his chest.
That's all "showing." It might be better, but isn't necessarily. You lose the direct info about him trying to impress his master, but you can arguably pick it up from context.
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
add a comment
|
As you say yourself, "show don't tell" is a guideline and not an absolute rule.
I write computer software for a living. (Sadly, I make way too little money writing to live on.) I've had many occasions in the software business where someone will tell me that something I did is wrong because it violates some rule they read in a book about how to write software. And we often end up having a conversation that goes like this:
Me: "Yes, that's a good general rule, but in this case it causes all sorts of problems."
Pedant: "No, you don't understand. It's a rule. It says so right in this book."
Me: "I don't doubt that someone wrote it in a book. And in general it's a good rule. But in this particular case, there are circumstances that make it so it causes more problems that it solves." I may give specifics at this point.
Pedant: "But it's the rule. See, look, here's the book. It's right there on page 192. That's the rule."
Etc., until I either give up and ignore him or, if he's my boss, I sigh and do it his way.
If my point is not clear (because I'm trying to show rather than tell :-), just because somebody wrote a rule in a book doesn't make it absolute and unquestionable. Unless the person who wrote it is God or someone who has the power to penalize you for breaking it.
Same thing here. Frankly, as rules go, "show don't tell" is one I'd take very non-commitally.
This case is a great example. You can easily write, "Reino respected his confidence." It's short and to the point. The reader likely gets the point immediately. It's clear and unambiguous.
How would you "show" this? How would you describe Reino's behavior in a way that makes it clear that he respects Visa because of his confidence? You could write, "Reino looked at Visa with a look that showed respect." But that's still "telling". You didn't describe the look, you just said it showed respect. You could have Visa say something and Reino indicates that he accepts his words, when previously he had disputed everything Visa said, but this would add a potentially long conversation and not necessarily be clear.
Maybe a sufficiently creative writer could come up with some way to present this that made it clear. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. The obvious solution is to just say it. Unless there was some problem with that solution, I don't see any reason to bang your head against the wall trying to come up with a hard way to accomplish something when you already know an easy way just to conform to some "rule".
Now if there was some reason why you DON'T want to make it immediately obvious to the reader that Reino now respects Visa, that's different. Then you don't want to flat out say it, but give clues and let the reader figure it out. Or if this was some crucial plot point and you don't want it just revealed in one sentence, but you need a build up. Etc.
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
add a comment
|
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
On its own, I take that line to be free indirect speech, and the sentence means that Visa thinks that Reino likes confidence. (He may or may not be correct; the reader can decide)
So the same thing as the third sentence, without the italics, and without literally verbalizing the character's thoughts.
add a comment
|
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "166"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"u003ecc by-sa 4.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fwriting.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f46659%2fis-straight-up-writing-someones-opinions-telling%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
7 Answers
7
active
oldest
votes
7 Answers
7
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
You're taking "show, don't tell" too strictly. There's no rules in writing - they're more what you'd call guidelines.
If you're in doubt about a passage, write it both ways. Then see which one feels more natural, and which one feels weird and convoluted. If you're finding yourself writing in an unnatural and convoluted manner just to follow some rule, don't follow the rule.
In particular, things that your POV character already knows about another character, or about the world, or things that everybody knows - it is very common that those be told. What you're showing then is that your POV character knows something, and acts with regards to that information.
"Show, don't tell" has a rationale. If you show nothing at all, if your whole story is written in drab monotone, there's little for me to connect to. If you're telling me one thing, but showing another, for example you're telling me that a character is courageous, but he's never showing that quality, and in fact bravely runs away away, that can create a disconnect. But this doesn't mean you have to show everything.
The "show, don't tell" idea comes from cinema, where you can indeed show. Literature is a medium of telling a story. You want to tell it vividly, you want it all to appear in your reader's mind, as if they were there, and the rain were falling on their faces, and an eerie scythe-like moon were lighting the path in front. But in the end, you're still telling.
add a comment
|
You're taking "show, don't tell" too strictly. There's no rules in writing - they're more what you'd call guidelines.
If you're in doubt about a passage, write it both ways. Then see which one feels more natural, and which one feels weird and convoluted. If you're finding yourself writing in an unnatural and convoluted manner just to follow some rule, don't follow the rule.
In particular, things that your POV character already knows about another character, or about the world, or things that everybody knows - it is very common that those be told. What you're showing then is that your POV character knows something, and acts with regards to that information.
"Show, don't tell" has a rationale. If you show nothing at all, if your whole story is written in drab monotone, there's little for me to connect to. If you're telling me one thing, but showing another, for example you're telling me that a character is courageous, but he's never showing that quality, and in fact bravely runs away away, that can create a disconnect. But this doesn't mean you have to show everything.
The "show, don't tell" idea comes from cinema, where you can indeed show. Literature is a medium of telling a story. You want to tell it vividly, you want it all to appear in your reader's mind, as if they were there, and the rain were falling on their faces, and an eerie scythe-like moon were lighting the path in front. But in the end, you're still telling.
add a comment
|
You're taking "show, don't tell" too strictly. There's no rules in writing - they're more what you'd call guidelines.
If you're in doubt about a passage, write it both ways. Then see which one feels more natural, and which one feels weird and convoluted. If you're finding yourself writing in an unnatural and convoluted manner just to follow some rule, don't follow the rule.
In particular, things that your POV character already knows about another character, or about the world, or things that everybody knows - it is very common that those be told. What you're showing then is that your POV character knows something, and acts with regards to that information.
"Show, don't tell" has a rationale. If you show nothing at all, if your whole story is written in drab monotone, there's little for me to connect to. If you're telling me one thing, but showing another, for example you're telling me that a character is courageous, but he's never showing that quality, and in fact bravely runs away away, that can create a disconnect. But this doesn't mean you have to show everything.
The "show, don't tell" idea comes from cinema, where you can indeed show. Literature is a medium of telling a story. You want to tell it vividly, you want it all to appear in your reader's mind, as if they were there, and the rain were falling on their faces, and an eerie scythe-like moon were lighting the path in front. But in the end, you're still telling.
You're taking "show, don't tell" too strictly. There's no rules in writing - they're more what you'd call guidelines.
If you're in doubt about a passage, write it both ways. Then see which one feels more natural, and which one feels weird and convoluted. If you're finding yourself writing in an unnatural and convoluted manner just to follow some rule, don't follow the rule.
In particular, things that your POV character already knows about another character, or about the world, or things that everybody knows - it is very common that those be told. What you're showing then is that your POV character knows something, and acts with regards to that information.
"Show, don't tell" has a rationale. If you show nothing at all, if your whole story is written in drab monotone, there's little for me to connect to. If you're telling me one thing, but showing another, for example you're telling me that a character is courageous, but he's never showing that quality, and in fact bravely runs away away, that can create a disconnect. But this doesn't mean you have to show everything.
The "show, don't tell" idea comes from cinema, where you can indeed show. Literature is a medium of telling a story. You want to tell it vividly, you want it all to appear in your reader's mind, as if they were there, and the rain were falling on their faces, and an eerie scythe-like moon were lighting the path in front. But in the end, you're still telling.
answered Jul 16 at 12:09
Galastel supports GoFundMonicaGalastel supports GoFundMonica
52k9 gold badges160 silver badges288 bronze badges
52k9 gold badges160 silver badges288 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
Agree with Galastel's answer, most writing "rules" are just guides so you understand the general effect on the reader.
However, just picking the one that "feels natural" isn't very objective, so I'll try to be specific how each version changes the effect on the reader.
Breaking the "rule" is sometimes how you signal subtext that changes the meaning.
Visa squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
The unspoken subtext is that Reino is influenced by appearances. He is willing to follow someone who simply fakes it with confidence. Visa's pretty sure about Reino. As a reader, I am not questioning it.
(See Jane Austen's Free Indirect Speech for how to reveal character bias when their opinion is stated as a "fact" by the narrator.)
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects
confidence.
In this case, you draw attention that this is just Visa's opinion of Reino. You are signaling to the reader that Visa might be wrong, or at the very least that Visa is self-consciously trying to manipulate Reino. The subtext shifts, and I am more suspicious of Visa than Reino.
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows
rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
I honestly get nothing from this passage. Body parts are moving, but you are not telling me what it means so it is cold and abstract. I am sort of forgetting it as I read because it feels like modern dance choreography that doesn't connect to any clear emotions or meaning.
Beware of filter words where the reader observes an observer. It creates emotional distance between the reader and the characters.
Showing actions without telling us their meaning works when the character's motions are unambiguous, and their emotions are deliberately being obscured:
She left her unfinished drink on the bar and quickly walked away. She didn't look back.
Here the character's motions are unambiguous. We don't know exactly what she's thinking because she doesn't want other characters to know either. The reader has a similar experience to any observer in the scene. We infer her emotions from her actions.
add a comment
|
Agree with Galastel's answer, most writing "rules" are just guides so you understand the general effect on the reader.
However, just picking the one that "feels natural" isn't very objective, so I'll try to be specific how each version changes the effect on the reader.
Breaking the "rule" is sometimes how you signal subtext that changes the meaning.
Visa squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
The unspoken subtext is that Reino is influenced by appearances. He is willing to follow someone who simply fakes it with confidence. Visa's pretty sure about Reino. As a reader, I am not questioning it.
(See Jane Austen's Free Indirect Speech for how to reveal character bias when their opinion is stated as a "fact" by the narrator.)
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects
confidence.
In this case, you draw attention that this is just Visa's opinion of Reino. You are signaling to the reader that Visa might be wrong, or at the very least that Visa is self-consciously trying to manipulate Reino. The subtext shifts, and I am more suspicious of Visa than Reino.
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows
rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
I honestly get nothing from this passage. Body parts are moving, but you are not telling me what it means so it is cold and abstract. I am sort of forgetting it as I read because it feels like modern dance choreography that doesn't connect to any clear emotions or meaning.
Beware of filter words where the reader observes an observer. It creates emotional distance between the reader and the characters.
Showing actions without telling us their meaning works when the character's motions are unambiguous, and their emotions are deliberately being obscured:
She left her unfinished drink on the bar and quickly walked away. She didn't look back.
Here the character's motions are unambiguous. We don't know exactly what she's thinking because she doesn't want other characters to know either. The reader has a similar experience to any observer in the scene. We infer her emotions from her actions.
add a comment
|
Agree with Galastel's answer, most writing "rules" are just guides so you understand the general effect on the reader.
However, just picking the one that "feels natural" isn't very objective, so I'll try to be specific how each version changes the effect on the reader.
Breaking the "rule" is sometimes how you signal subtext that changes the meaning.
Visa squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
The unspoken subtext is that Reino is influenced by appearances. He is willing to follow someone who simply fakes it with confidence. Visa's pretty sure about Reino. As a reader, I am not questioning it.
(See Jane Austen's Free Indirect Speech for how to reveal character bias when their opinion is stated as a "fact" by the narrator.)
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects
confidence.
In this case, you draw attention that this is just Visa's opinion of Reino. You are signaling to the reader that Visa might be wrong, or at the very least that Visa is self-consciously trying to manipulate Reino. The subtext shifts, and I am more suspicious of Visa than Reino.
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows
rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
I honestly get nothing from this passage. Body parts are moving, but you are not telling me what it means so it is cold and abstract. I am sort of forgetting it as I read because it feels like modern dance choreography that doesn't connect to any clear emotions or meaning.
Beware of filter words where the reader observes an observer. It creates emotional distance between the reader and the characters.
Showing actions without telling us their meaning works when the character's motions are unambiguous, and their emotions are deliberately being obscured:
She left her unfinished drink on the bar and quickly walked away. She didn't look back.
Here the character's motions are unambiguous. We don't know exactly what she's thinking because she doesn't want other characters to know either. The reader has a similar experience to any observer in the scene. We infer her emotions from her actions.
Agree with Galastel's answer, most writing "rules" are just guides so you understand the general effect on the reader.
However, just picking the one that "feels natural" isn't very objective, so I'll try to be specific how each version changes the effect on the reader.
Breaking the "rule" is sometimes how you signal subtext that changes the meaning.
Visa squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
The unspoken subtext is that Reino is influenced by appearances. He is willing to follow someone who simply fakes it with confidence. Visa's pretty sure about Reino. As a reader, I am not questioning it.
(See Jane Austen's Free Indirect Speech for how to reveal character bias when their opinion is stated as a "fact" by the narrator.)
He squared his shoulders. This'll get him to listen to me. He respects
confidence.
In this case, you draw attention that this is just Visa's opinion of Reino. You are signaling to the reader that Visa might be wrong, or at the very least that Visa is self-consciously trying to manipulate Reino. The subtext shifts, and I am more suspicious of Visa than Reino.
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows
rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
I honestly get nothing from this passage. Body parts are moving, but you are not telling me what it means so it is cold and abstract. I am sort of forgetting it as I read because it feels like modern dance choreography that doesn't connect to any clear emotions or meaning.
Beware of filter words where the reader observes an observer. It creates emotional distance between the reader and the characters.
Showing actions without telling us their meaning works when the character's motions are unambiguous, and their emotions are deliberately being obscured:
She left her unfinished drink on the bar and quickly walked away. She didn't look back.
Here the character's motions are unambiguous. We don't know exactly what she's thinking because she doesn't want other characters to know either. The reader has a similar experience to any observer in the scene. We infer her emotions from her actions.
edited Jul 16 at 14:02
answered Jul 16 at 13:09
wetcircuitwetcircuit
20.4k2 gold badges34 silver badges99 bronze badges
20.4k2 gold badges34 silver badges99 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
I would add one word to that (then I'll tell you why):
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing Reino respected confidence.
An opinion is part of somebody's internal life; and how they see the world.
Without the word 'knowing', it is the narrator telling us something about Reino's internal life, and we have to guess that Visa knows this.
By adding the word 'knowing', the narrator is telling us something about Visa's internal life and why he is squaring his shoulders, because he believes something about Reino. (and I am presuming from the context that Visa is the POV character.)
In writing it is okay for the narrator to reveal inner thoughts of the POV character for a given scene, that can be done as direct thoughts (in italics), or direct dialogue with other characters, or indirectly in prose as a description of thoughts that isn't in a verbatim thought-by-thought form. Or a mix of the two, for example:
Britney walked half an hour, thinking over her conversation with Tomason, and near the first mile marker she realized something: Tomason was not lying to protect himself, it was to protect Jack! All the lies protected Jack. she stopped walking. Why would he protect Jack?
If you are talking about somebody's opinion, be sure to attribute it to them.
This can be in thoughts, but remember (for the sake of realism) that most opinions are not reviewed in detail by the people that hold them, and are almost never reasoned out in thoughts, they come in snippets as they apply to a situation. Again, as above, the reason Visa squares his shoulders is he believes it will help to show confidence. We don't need to learn why he believes this and who taught him that and when and where and how many times he has used it, or what happened to make him believe that Reino respects it -- We just need to know this is a belief he holds or something he knows.
add a comment
|
I would add one word to that (then I'll tell you why):
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing Reino respected confidence.
An opinion is part of somebody's internal life; and how they see the world.
Without the word 'knowing', it is the narrator telling us something about Reino's internal life, and we have to guess that Visa knows this.
By adding the word 'knowing', the narrator is telling us something about Visa's internal life and why he is squaring his shoulders, because he believes something about Reino. (and I am presuming from the context that Visa is the POV character.)
In writing it is okay for the narrator to reveal inner thoughts of the POV character for a given scene, that can be done as direct thoughts (in italics), or direct dialogue with other characters, or indirectly in prose as a description of thoughts that isn't in a verbatim thought-by-thought form. Or a mix of the two, for example:
Britney walked half an hour, thinking over her conversation with Tomason, and near the first mile marker she realized something: Tomason was not lying to protect himself, it was to protect Jack! All the lies protected Jack. she stopped walking. Why would he protect Jack?
If you are talking about somebody's opinion, be sure to attribute it to them.
This can be in thoughts, but remember (for the sake of realism) that most opinions are not reviewed in detail by the people that hold them, and are almost never reasoned out in thoughts, they come in snippets as they apply to a situation. Again, as above, the reason Visa squares his shoulders is he believes it will help to show confidence. We don't need to learn why he believes this and who taught him that and when and where and how many times he has used it, or what happened to make him believe that Reino respects it -- We just need to know this is a belief he holds or something he knows.
add a comment
|
I would add one word to that (then I'll tell you why):
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing Reino respected confidence.
An opinion is part of somebody's internal life; and how they see the world.
Without the word 'knowing', it is the narrator telling us something about Reino's internal life, and we have to guess that Visa knows this.
By adding the word 'knowing', the narrator is telling us something about Visa's internal life and why he is squaring his shoulders, because he believes something about Reino. (and I am presuming from the context that Visa is the POV character.)
In writing it is okay for the narrator to reveal inner thoughts of the POV character for a given scene, that can be done as direct thoughts (in italics), or direct dialogue with other characters, or indirectly in prose as a description of thoughts that isn't in a verbatim thought-by-thought form. Or a mix of the two, for example:
Britney walked half an hour, thinking over her conversation with Tomason, and near the first mile marker she realized something: Tomason was not lying to protect himself, it was to protect Jack! All the lies protected Jack. she stopped walking. Why would he protect Jack?
If you are talking about somebody's opinion, be sure to attribute it to them.
This can be in thoughts, but remember (for the sake of realism) that most opinions are not reviewed in detail by the people that hold them, and are almost never reasoned out in thoughts, they come in snippets as they apply to a situation. Again, as above, the reason Visa squares his shoulders is he believes it will help to show confidence. We don't need to learn why he believes this and who taught him that and when and where and how many times he has used it, or what happened to make him believe that Reino respects it -- We just need to know this is a belief he holds or something he knows.
I would add one word to that (then I'll tell you why):
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing Reino respected confidence.
An opinion is part of somebody's internal life; and how they see the world.
Without the word 'knowing', it is the narrator telling us something about Reino's internal life, and we have to guess that Visa knows this.
By adding the word 'knowing', the narrator is telling us something about Visa's internal life and why he is squaring his shoulders, because he believes something about Reino. (and I am presuming from the context that Visa is the POV character.)
In writing it is okay for the narrator to reveal inner thoughts of the POV character for a given scene, that can be done as direct thoughts (in italics), or direct dialogue with other characters, or indirectly in prose as a description of thoughts that isn't in a verbatim thought-by-thought form. Or a mix of the two, for example:
Britney walked half an hour, thinking over her conversation with Tomason, and near the first mile marker she realized something: Tomason was not lying to protect himself, it was to protect Jack! All the lies protected Jack. she stopped walking. Why would he protect Jack?
If you are talking about somebody's opinion, be sure to attribute it to them.
This can be in thoughts, but remember (for the sake of realism) that most opinions are not reviewed in detail by the people that hold them, and are almost never reasoned out in thoughts, they come in snippets as they apply to a situation. Again, as above, the reason Visa squares his shoulders is he believes it will help to show confidence. We don't need to learn why he believes this and who taught him that and when and where and how many times he has used it, or what happened to make him believe that Reino respects it -- We just need to know this is a belief he holds or something he knows.
answered Jul 16 at 13:40
Amadeus-Reinstate-MonicaAmadeus-Reinstate-Monica
80.4k7 gold badges108 silver badges261 bronze badges
80.4k7 gold badges108 silver badges261 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
I'll add to Galastel answer about the general limits of the "show don't tell" paradigm. You are indeed allowed to tell when its more natural to do so; the catch being that while there are guidelines (and we'll be more than happy to give you some) the ultimate decision on what feels better is up to you.
In your particular case, this
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence
works better than this
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
This by the simple fact that the PoV is following Visa. Visa knows something about Reino and acts accordingly. So, you're telling something about Visa's beliefs rather than actual truth. Sure, you could go into a lengthy explanation or a flashback, showing how Visa knows that Reino respects confidence ... but would it serve your narrative?
Probably not.
Showing and telling are tools, not different from a first person narrator opposed to a third person one. You have to keep them in the toolbox, but deciding which one to pick in a given situation is up to you.
add a comment
|
I'll add to Galastel answer about the general limits of the "show don't tell" paradigm. You are indeed allowed to tell when its more natural to do so; the catch being that while there are guidelines (and we'll be more than happy to give you some) the ultimate decision on what feels better is up to you.
In your particular case, this
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence
works better than this
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
This by the simple fact that the PoV is following Visa. Visa knows something about Reino and acts accordingly. So, you're telling something about Visa's beliefs rather than actual truth. Sure, you could go into a lengthy explanation or a flashback, showing how Visa knows that Reino respects confidence ... but would it serve your narrative?
Probably not.
Showing and telling are tools, not different from a first person narrator opposed to a third person one. You have to keep them in the toolbox, but deciding which one to pick in a given situation is up to you.
add a comment
|
I'll add to Galastel answer about the general limits of the "show don't tell" paradigm. You are indeed allowed to tell when its more natural to do so; the catch being that while there are guidelines (and we'll be more than happy to give you some) the ultimate decision on what feels better is up to you.
In your particular case, this
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence
works better than this
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
This by the simple fact that the PoV is following Visa. Visa knows something about Reino and acts accordingly. So, you're telling something about Visa's beliefs rather than actual truth. Sure, you could go into a lengthy explanation or a flashback, showing how Visa knows that Reino respects confidence ... but would it serve your narrative?
Probably not.
Showing and telling are tools, not different from a first person narrator opposed to a third person one. You have to keep them in the toolbox, but deciding which one to pick in a given situation is up to you.
I'll add to Galastel answer about the general limits of the "show don't tell" paradigm. You are indeed allowed to tell when its more natural to do so; the catch being that while there are guidelines (and we'll be more than happy to give you some) the ultimate decision on what feels better is up to you.
In your particular case, this
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence
works better than this
He squared his shoulders. Reino's forehead wrinkled as his eyebrows rose, looking at his apprentice's new posture.
This by the simple fact that the PoV is following Visa. Visa knows something about Reino and acts accordingly. So, you're telling something about Visa's beliefs rather than actual truth. Sure, you could go into a lengthy explanation or a flashback, showing how Visa knows that Reino respects confidence ... but would it serve your narrative?
Probably not.
Showing and telling are tools, not different from a first person narrator opposed to a third person one. You have to keep them in the toolbox, but deciding which one to pick in a given situation is up to you.
edited Jul 18 at 13:43
rkedge
33 bronze badges
33 bronze badges
answered Jul 16 at 13:07
Reinstate Monica.Reinstate Monica.
12.9k3 gold badges39 silver badges106 bronze badges
12.9k3 gold badges39 silver badges106 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
All writing in print is (technically) telling. You can "show" in a movie or a play, but everything you're doing in a book is telling, if you want to get technical about it. A lot of times it is better to go with the more immersive choice, the one that puts you more in the head and the experience of the character, but not always.
In this case, one option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing that Reino respected confidence.
You're "showing" Visa's actions, and telling his state of mind, and that's okay.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, and did his best to look confident in front of Reino.
This is a mixture of telling and showing about Visa's actions.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders and puffed up his chest.
That's all "showing." It might be better, but isn't necessarily. You lose the direct info about him trying to impress his master, but you can arguably pick it up from context.
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
add a comment
|
All writing in print is (technically) telling. You can "show" in a movie or a play, but everything you're doing in a book is telling, if you want to get technical about it. A lot of times it is better to go with the more immersive choice, the one that puts you more in the head and the experience of the character, but not always.
In this case, one option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing that Reino respected confidence.
You're "showing" Visa's actions, and telling his state of mind, and that's okay.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, and did his best to look confident in front of Reino.
This is a mixture of telling and showing about Visa's actions.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders and puffed up his chest.
That's all "showing." It might be better, but isn't necessarily. You lose the direct info about him trying to impress his master, but you can arguably pick it up from context.
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
add a comment
|
All writing in print is (technically) telling. You can "show" in a movie or a play, but everything you're doing in a book is telling, if you want to get technical about it. A lot of times it is better to go with the more immersive choice, the one that puts you more in the head and the experience of the character, but not always.
In this case, one option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing that Reino respected confidence.
You're "showing" Visa's actions, and telling his state of mind, and that's okay.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, and did his best to look confident in front of Reino.
This is a mixture of telling and showing about Visa's actions.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders and puffed up his chest.
That's all "showing." It might be better, but isn't necessarily. You lose the direct info about him trying to impress his master, but you can arguably pick it up from context.
All writing in print is (technically) telling. You can "show" in a movie or a play, but everything you're doing in a book is telling, if you want to get technical about it. A lot of times it is better to go with the more immersive choice, the one that puts you more in the head and the experience of the character, but not always.
In this case, one option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, knowing that Reino respected confidence.
You're "showing" Visa's actions, and telling his state of mind, and that's okay.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders, and did his best to look confident in front of Reino.
This is a mixture of telling and showing about Visa's actions.
Another option is:
Visa squared his shoulders and puffed up his chest.
That's all "showing." It might be better, but isn't necessarily. You lose the direct info about him trying to impress his master, but you can arguably pick it up from context.
answered Jul 16 at 15:08
Chris SunamiChris Sunami
43.7k4 gold badges63 silver badges161 bronze badges
43.7k4 gold badges63 silver badges161 bronze badges
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
add a comment
|
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
1
1
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
The last one is technically "showing", but figuratively, not really. Puffing one's chest has become synonymous with trying to look confident, dominant and strong, due to its overuse, so therefore it's really just the same as saying "he tried to look confident".
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 17:27
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
@ChrisSunami "Technical" doesn't make a difference. Some writing evokes imagery, feeling, an imagination of what is happening. Writing like that is "showing" by evoking the reader's imagination. "Telling" is writing that does not evoke any reader imagination, it just imparts facts and nothing else. Since the objective here is entertainment through imagination, obviously "showing" is the superior method. It is true that it is sometimes awkward and immersion-breaking to try and "show" something, but there is definitely a difference between writing that shows, and writing that tells.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 21:04
add a comment
|
As you say yourself, "show don't tell" is a guideline and not an absolute rule.
I write computer software for a living. (Sadly, I make way too little money writing to live on.) I've had many occasions in the software business where someone will tell me that something I did is wrong because it violates some rule they read in a book about how to write software. And we often end up having a conversation that goes like this:
Me: "Yes, that's a good general rule, but in this case it causes all sorts of problems."
Pedant: "No, you don't understand. It's a rule. It says so right in this book."
Me: "I don't doubt that someone wrote it in a book. And in general it's a good rule. But in this particular case, there are circumstances that make it so it causes more problems that it solves." I may give specifics at this point.
Pedant: "But it's the rule. See, look, here's the book. It's right there on page 192. That's the rule."
Etc., until I either give up and ignore him or, if he's my boss, I sigh and do it his way.
If my point is not clear (because I'm trying to show rather than tell :-), just because somebody wrote a rule in a book doesn't make it absolute and unquestionable. Unless the person who wrote it is God or someone who has the power to penalize you for breaking it.
Same thing here. Frankly, as rules go, "show don't tell" is one I'd take very non-commitally.
This case is a great example. You can easily write, "Reino respected his confidence." It's short and to the point. The reader likely gets the point immediately. It's clear and unambiguous.
How would you "show" this? How would you describe Reino's behavior in a way that makes it clear that he respects Visa because of his confidence? You could write, "Reino looked at Visa with a look that showed respect." But that's still "telling". You didn't describe the look, you just said it showed respect. You could have Visa say something and Reino indicates that he accepts his words, when previously he had disputed everything Visa said, but this would add a potentially long conversation and not necessarily be clear.
Maybe a sufficiently creative writer could come up with some way to present this that made it clear. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. The obvious solution is to just say it. Unless there was some problem with that solution, I don't see any reason to bang your head against the wall trying to come up with a hard way to accomplish something when you already know an easy way just to conform to some "rule".
Now if there was some reason why you DON'T want to make it immediately obvious to the reader that Reino now respects Visa, that's different. Then you don't want to flat out say it, but give clues and let the reader figure it out. Or if this was some crucial plot point and you don't want it just revealed in one sentence, but you need a build up. Etc.
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
add a comment
|
As you say yourself, "show don't tell" is a guideline and not an absolute rule.
I write computer software for a living. (Sadly, I make way too little money writing to live on.) I've had many occasions in the software business where someone will tell me that something I did is wrong because it violates some rule they read in a book about how to write software. And we often end up having a conversation that goes like this:
Me: "Yes, that's a good general rule, but in this case it causes all sorts of problems."
Pedant: "No, you don't understand. It's a rule. It says so right in this book."
Me: "I don't doubt that someone wrote it in a book. And in general it's a good rule. But in this particular case, there are circumstances that make it so it causes more problems that it solves." I may give specifics at this point.
Pedant: "But it's the rule. See, look, here's the book. It's right there on page 192. That's the rule."
Etc., until I either give up and ignore him or, if he's my boss, I sigh and do it his way.
If my point is not clear (because I'm trying to show rather than tell :-), just because somebody wrote a rule in a book doesn't make it absolute and unquestionable. Unless the person who wrote it is God or someone who has the power to penalize you for breaking it.
Same thing here. Frankly, as rules go, "show don't tell" is one I'd take very non-commitally.
This case is a great example. You can easily write, "Reino respected his confidence." It's short and to the point. The reader likely gets the point immediately. It's clear and unambiguous.
How would you "show" this? How would you describe Reino's behavior in a way that makes it clear that he respects Visa because of his confidence? You could write, "Reino looked at Visa with a look that showed respect." But that's still "telling". You didn't describe the look, you just said it showed respect. You could have Visa say something and Reino indicates that he accepts his words, when previously he had disputed everything Visa said, but this would add a potentially long conversation and not necessarily be clear.
Maybe a sufficiently creative writer could come up with some way to present this that made it clear. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. The obvious solution is to just say it. Unless there was some problem with that solution, I don't see any reason to bang your head against the wall trying to come up with a hard way to accomplish something when you already know an easy way just to conform to some "rule".
Now if there was some reason why you DON'T want to make it immediately obvious to the reader that Reino now respects Visa, that's different. Then you don't want to flat out say it, but give clues and let the reader figure it out. Or if this was some crucial plot point and you don't want it just revealed in one sentence, but you need a build up. Etc.
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
add a comment
|
As you say yourself, "show don't tell" is a guideline and not an absolute rule.
I write computer software for a living. (Sadly, I make way too little money writing to live on.) I've had many occasions in the software business where someone will tell me that something I did is wrong because it violates some rule they read in a book about how to write software. And we often end up having a conversation that goes like this:
Me: "Yes, that's a good general rule, but in this case it causes all sorts of problems."
Pedant: "No, you don't understand. It's a rule. It says so right in this book."
Me: "I don't doubt that someone wrote it in a book. And in general it's a good rule. But in this particular case, there are circumstances that make it so it causes more problems that it solves." I may give specifics at this point.
Pedant: "But it's the rule. See, look, here's the book. It's right there on page 192. That's the rule."
Etc., until I either give up and ignore him or, if he's my boss, I sigh and do it his way.
If my point is not clear (because I'm trying to show rather than tell :-), just because somebody wrote a rule in a book doesn't make it absolute and unquestionable. Unless the person who wrote it is God or someone who has the power to penalize you for breaking it.
Same thing here. Frankly, as rules go, "show don't tell" is one I'd take very non-commitally.
This case is a great example. You can easily write, "Reino respected his confidence." It's short and to the point. The reader likely gets the point immediately. It's clear and unambiguous.
How would you "show" this? How would you describe Reino's behavior in a way that makes it clear that he respects Visa because of his confidence? You could write, "Reino looked at Visa with a look that showed respect." But that's still "telling". You didn't describe the look, you just said it showed respect. You could have Visa say something and Reino indicates that he accepts his words, when previously he had disputed everything Visa said, but this would add a potentially long conversation and not necessarily be clear.
Maybe a sufficiently creative writer could come up with some way to present this that made it clear. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. The obvious solution is to just say it. Unless there was some problem with that solution, I don't see any reason to bang your head against the wall trying to come up with a hard way to accomplish something when you already know an easy way just to conform to some "rule".
Now if there was some reason why you DON'T want to make it immediately obvious to the reader that Reino now respects Visa, that's different. Then you don't want to flat out say it, but give clues and let the reader figure it out. Or if this was some crucial plot point and you don't want it just revealed in one sentence, but you need a build up. Etc.
As you say yourself, "show don't tell" is a guideline and not an absolute rule.
I write computer software for a living. (Sadly, I make way too little money writing to live on.) I've had many occasions in the software business where someone will tell me that something I did is wrong because it violates some rule they read in a book about how to write software. And we often end up having a conversation that goes like this:
Me: "Yes, that's a good general rule, but in this case it causes all sorts of problems."
Pedant: "No, you don't understand. It's a rule. It says so right in this book."
Me: "I don't doubt that someone wrote it in a book. And in general it's a good rule. But in this particular case, there are circumstances that make it so it causes more problems that it solves." I may give specifics at this point.
Pedant: "But it's the rule. See, look, here's the book. It's right there on page 192. That's the rule."
Etc., until I either give up and ignore him or, if he's my boss, I sigh and do it his way.
If my point is not clear (because I'm trying to show rather than tell :-), just because somebody wrote a rule in a book doesn't make it absolute and unquestionable. Unless the person who wrote it is God or someone who has the power to penalize you for breaking it.
Same thing here. Frankly, as rules go, "show don't tell" is one I'd take very non-commitally.
This case is a great example. You can easily write, "Reino respected his confidence." It's short and to the point. The reader likely gets the point immediately. It's clear and unambiguous.
How would you "show" this? How would you describe Reino's behavior in a way that makes it clear that he respects Visa because of his confidence? You could write, "Reino looked at Visa with a look that showed respect." But that's still "telling". You didn't describe the look, you just said it showed respect. You could have Visa say something and Reino indicates that he accepts his words, when previously he had disputed everything Visa said, but this would add a potentially long conversation and not necessarily be clear.
Maybe a sufficiently creative writer could come up with some way to present this that made it clear. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. The obvious solution is to just say it. Unless there was some problem with that solution, I don't see any reason to bang your head against the wall trying to come up with a hard way to accomplish something when you already know an easy way just to conform to some "rule".
Now if there was some reason why you DON'T want to make it immediately obvious to the reader that Reino now respects Visa, that's different. Then you don't want to flat out say it, but give clues and let the reader figure it out. Or if this was some crucial plot point and you don't want it just revealed in one sentence, but you need a build up. Etc.
edited Jul 17 at 14:45
answered Jul 16 at 20:55
JayJay
23k19 silver badges64 bronze badges
23k19 silver badges64 bronze badges
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
add a comment
|
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
The problem is, it is always the obvious solution to "just say it" or "tell it", and this leads to what most regard as poor writing, because it doesn't evoke any imagery, doesn't assist the imagination of the scene and what people are doing and feeling. All of those can be "told" instead of shown. It is correct to occasionally tell instead of show, but what makes writing great is when the author does a good job of assisting the reader's imagination and immersion in the story, and "telling" doesn't do that well at all. Rules can be broken, but they also exist for good reasons.
– Amadeus-Reinstate-Monica
Jul 18 at 20:58
1
1
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
@Amadeus Fair enough. Sure, a story that said, "There was a big fight and the good guys won. the End." would be pretty boring. I agree that the trick is to figure you when you want to make the reader really feel something, when you want to lead him through a mystery where he discovers the solution, etc, and when you just went to get essential information out of the way.
– Jay
Jul 19 at 2:17
add a comment
|
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
On its own, I take that line to be free indirect speech, and the sentence means that Visa thinks that Reino likes confidence. (He may or may not be correct; the reader can decide)
So the same thing as the third sentence, without the italics, and without literally verbalizing the character's thoughts.
add a comment
|
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
On its own, I take that line to be free indirect speech, and the sentence means that Visa thinks that Reino likes confidence. (He may or may not be correct; the reader can decide)
So the same thing as the third sentence, without the italics, and without literally verbalizing the character's thoughts.
add a comment
|
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
On its own, I take that line to be free indirect speech, and the sentence means that Visa thinks that Reino likes confidence. (He may or may not be correct; the reader can decide)
So the same thing as the third sentence, without the italics, and without literally verbalizing the character's thoughts.
He [Visa] squared his shoulders, Reino respected confidence.
On its own, I take that line to be free indirect speech, and the sentence means that Visa thinks that Reino likes confidence. (He may or may not be correct; the reader can decide)
So the same thing as the third sentence, without the italics, and without literally verbalizing the character's thoughts.
answered Jul 18 at 20:38
swbarnes2swbarnes2
1512 bronze badges
1512 bronze badges
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
Thanks for contributing an answer to Writing Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fwriting.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f46659%2fis-straight-up-writing-someones-opinions-telling%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
What's the overall narrative POV of the piece? That makes a big difference, to me at least, to how you can, and should, handle "show, don't tell".
– Ash
Jul 16 at 12:45
6
I think the first version needs a semicolon rather than a comma, by the way.
– Weckar E.
Jul 16 at 19:37
I agree @WeckarE. the original author had a lot of sentences where he added another part seperated with a comma when he really should've ended the sentence, or in this case, used a semicolon.
– A. Kvåle
Jul 16 at 22:07
2
Is this a case of "He squared his shoulders, and Reino showed respect for his confidence", or "He squared his shoulders, because he knew that Reino respected confidence'" / "He squared his shoulders, thinking to himself 'Reino respects confidence''"? You seem to be treating it as the former, but it reads to me far more like the latter.
– Chronocidal
Jul 17 at 13:27
3
Heinlein had his characters preaching multi-page sermons under the pretense of dialogue, and still managed to sell books.
– WGroleau
Jul 17 at 15:16