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Is this a Sherman, and if so what model?
U.S. biplane IdentificationWho sold this book in London in the 1930s?What was American anti-tank doctrine during WWII on paper, and how did it differ from in practice?In WWII, what were the major differences in tank combat on the eastern and western fronts?What caused this cratering pattern at Hiroshima?What is the gun traverse limit of the 75mm armament on M3 Lee/Grant?Is this quotation authentic (88mm versus Sherman)?Does this CIA report describe the Soviet T-54 tank?What is this German/Italian badge?Which types of tank are on this photo?Can anyone identify this tank?
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A River Oaks, Houston, TX, attorney recently purchased and parked outside his home a fully functional World War Two tank.
Note: The original newspaper article claimed the tank was "fully functional" - but the main gun was disabled by drilling a hole through it prior to departing France.
To my untrained eye it appears to be a Sherman, but I am looking for a more expert opinion. Can anyone definitely determine the type and model of this tank, along with any other interesting specifications?
"The problem is there is no action [the Homeowners' Association] can take," said Buzbee. "They can ticket it or they can try to tow it, but the truth is unless I decide to move it, it's not going anywhere."
Presumably this is a serial number of some sort.
I'm not sure what these numbers represent.
More details, with thanks to called2voyage
- https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/complete-story-river-oaks-tank/
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A River Oaks, Houston, TX, attorney recently purchased and parked outside his home a fully functional World War Two tank.
Note: The original newspaper article claimed the tank was "fully functional" - but the main gun was disabled by drilling a hole through it prior to departing France.
To my untrained eye it appears to be a Sherman, but I am looking for a more expert opinion. Can anyone definitely determine the type and model of this tank, along with any other interesting specifications?
"The problem is there is no action [the Homeowners' Association] can take," said Buzbee. "They can ticket it or they can try to tow it, but the truth is unless I decide to move it, it's not going anywhere."
Presumably this is a serial number of some sort.
I'm not sure what these numbers represent.
More details, with thanks to called2voyage
- https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/complete-story-river-oaks-tank/
world-war-two tanks
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It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
1
Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
1
The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
4
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
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Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
– Amorphous Blob
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A River Oaks, Houston, TX, attorney recently purchased and parked outside his home a fully functional World War Two tank.
Note: The original newspaper article claimed the tank was "fully functional" - but the main gun was disabled by drilling a hole through it prior to departing France.
To my untrained eye it appears to be a Sherman, but I am looking for a more expert opinion. Can anyone definitely determine the type and model of this tank, along with any other interesting specifications?
"The problem is there is no action [the Homeowners' Association] can take," said Buzbee. "They can ticket it or they can try to tow it, but the truth is unless I decide to move it, it's not going anywhere."
Presumably this is a serial number of some sort.
I'm not sure what these numbers represent.
More details, with thanks to called2voyage
- https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/complete-story-river-oaks-tank/
world-war-two tanks
A River Oaks, Houston, TX, attorney recently purchased and parked outside his home a fully functional World War Two tank.
Note: The original newspaper article claimed the tank was "fully functional" - but the main gun was disabled by drilling a hole through it prior to departing France.
To my untrained eye it appears to be a Sherman, but I am looking for a more expert opinion. Can anyone definitely determine the type and model of this tank, along with any other interesting specifications?
"The problem is there is no action [the Homeowners' Association] can take," said Buzbee. "They can ticket it or they can try to tow it, but the truth is unless I decide to move it, it's not going anywhere."
Presumably this is a serial number of some sort.
I'm not sure what these numbers represent.
More details, with thanks to called2voyage
- https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/complete-story-river-oaks-tank/
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It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
1
Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
1
The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
4
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
1
Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 21:13
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show 8 more comments
3
It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
1
Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
1
The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
4
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
1
Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 21:13
3
3
It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
1
1
Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
1
1
The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
4
4
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
1
1
Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 21:13
Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
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It appears from the auction details, that the serial number of the tank is 18688.
The serial number does appear on this list of known Sherman serial numbers compiled by Pierre-Olivier Buan (who has been cited as an expert on tanks of this era) and others.
The entry identifies the tank's type as M4A4(75), which was manufactured by Chrysler. The registration number entry varies from what's on the tank, but it is marked red, which means unconfirmed and possibly wrong. Randolph Duke, in the Texas Monthly article linked in the question, claims the original registration number was painted over. The notes say:
Comes from the range target, Salisbury Plain. Previously located at Coleraine, NI, UK and then in Normandy, France
The website with the list of Shermans has more information on this variant.
The M4A4 Shermans were equipped with a Chrysler Multibank engine; they have a lengthened welded hull. Only the 75mm version were built in the USA, but the M4A4 was also widely used as a basis for 17pdr Firefly tank by the British Army. The users were : Britain, France, China (Source : Wikipedia).
This variant was only manufactured by Chrysler (7499 units produced).
This tank has a 75mm gun, small hatches (protruding hoods), a 57° glacis and dry ammunition stowage bins. The M4A4s were only produced with the 3-piece differential housing.
There is a little bit more information at that link along with pictures.
3
If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php.
Disclaimer: A lot of models were so similar that it'd be a bit of a chore to try to match up the pics above with this page, though.
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The seams appear to all be welded, not cast, so it cannot be an M4A1, an M4 Composite, or an M4A6, according to the chart on this Wikipedia article.
It's got the 75mm gun, not the 76mm or the 105mm gun, which helps eliminate some models like the M4A3E8.
Also note the protrusions at the top of the front hull. The front of any of the "Jumbo" variants is flat, so this cannot be a Jumbo.
I think it might be a minor variant of an M4A3, based on the discussion on this site. I don't find it super convincing, but I think it's the closest we're going to get outside of scheduling a meeting with the folks at Bovington.
1
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
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It appears from the auction details, that the serial number of the tank is 18688.
The serial number does appear on this list of known Sherman serial numbers compiled by Pierre-Olivier Buan (who has been cited as an expert on tanks of this era) and others.
The entry identifies the tank's type as M4A4(75), which was manufactured by Chrysler. The registration number entry varies from what's on the tank, but it is marked red, which means unconfirmed and possibly wrong. Randolph Duke, in the Texas Monthly article linked in the question, claims the original registration number was painted over. The notes say:
Comes from the range target, Salisbury Plain. Previously located at Coleraine, NI, UK and then in Normandy, France
The website with the list of Shermans has more information on this variant.
The M4A4 Shermans were equipped with a Chrysler Multibank engine; they have a lengthened welded hull. Only the 75mm version were built in the USA, but the M4A4 was also widely used as a basis for 17pdr Firefly tank by the British Army. The users were : Britain, France, China (Source : Wikipedia).
This variant was only manufactured by Chrysler (7499 units produced).
This tank has a 75mm gun, small hatches (protruding hoods), a 57° glacis and dry ammunition stowage bins. The M4A4s were only produced with the 3-piece differential housing.
There is a little bit more information at that link along with pictures.
3
If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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It appears from the auction details, that the serial number of the tank is 18688.
The serial number does appear on this list of known Sherman serial numbers compiled by Pierre-Olivier Buan (who has been cited as an expert on tanks of this era) and others.
The entry identifies the tank's type as M4A4(75), which was manufactured by Chrysler. The registration number entry varies from what's on the tank, but it is marked red, which means unconfirmed and possibly wrong. Randolph Duke, in the Texas Monthly article linked in the question, claims the original registration number was painted over. The notes say:
Comes from the range target, Salisbury Plain. Previously located at Coleraine, NI, UK and then in Normandy, France
The website with the list of Shermans has more information on this variant.
The M4A4 Shermans were equipped with a Chrysler Multibank engine; they have a lengthened welded hull. Only the 75mm version were built in the USA, but the M4A4 was also widely used as a basis for 17pdr Firefly tank by the British Army. The users were : Britain, France, China (Source : Wikipedia).
This variant was only manufactured by Chrysler (7499 units produced).
This tank has a 75mm gun, small hatches (protruding hoods), a 57° glacis and dry ammunition stowage bins. The M4A4s were only produced with the 3-piece differential housing.
There is a little bit more information at that link along with pictures.
3
If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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It appears from the auction details, that the serial number of the tank is 18688.
The serial number does appear on this list of known Sherman serial numbers compiled by Pierre-Olivier Buan (who has been cited as an expert on tanks of this era) and others.
The entry identifies the tank's type as M4A4(75), which was manufactured by Chrysler. The registration number entry varies from what's on the tank, but it is marked red, which means unconfirmed and possibly wrong. Randolph Duke, in the Texas Monthly article linked in the question, claims the original registration number was painted over. The notes say:
Comes from the range target, Salisbury Plain. Previously located at Coleraine, NI, UK and then in Normandy, France
The website with the list of Shermans has more information on this variant.
The M4A4 Shermans were equipped with a Chrysler Multibank engine; they have a lengthened welded hull. Only the 75mm version were built in the USA, but the M4A4 was also widely used as a basis for 17pdr Firefly tank by the British Army. The users were : Britain, France, China (Source : Wikipedia).
This variant was only manufactured by Chrysler (7499 units produced).
This tank has a 75mm gun, small hatches (protruding hoods), a 57° glacis and dry ammunition stowage bins. The M4A4s were only produced with the 3-piece differential housing.
There is a little bit more information at that link along with pictures.
It appears from the auction details, that the serial number of the tank is 18688.
The serial number does appear on this list of known Sherman serial numbers compiled by Pierre-Olivier Buan (who has been cited as an expert on tanks of this era) and others.
The entry identifies the tank's type as M4A4(75), which was manufactured by Chrysler. The registration number entry varies from what's on the tank, but it is marked red, which means unconfirmed and possibly wrong. Randolph Duke, in the Texas Monthly article linked in the question, claims the original registration number was painted over. The notes say:
Comes from the range target, Salisbury Plain. Previously located at Coleraine, NI, UK and then in Normandy, France
The website with the list of Shermans has more information on this variant.
The M4A4 Shermans were equipped with a Chrysler Multibank engine; they have a lengthened welded hull. Only the 75mm version were built in the USA, but the M4A4 was also widely used as a basis for 17pdr Firefly tank by the British Army. The users were : Britain, France, China (Source : Wikipedia).
This variant was only manufactured by Chrysler (7499 units produced).
This tank has a 75mm gun, small hatches (protruding hoods), a 57° glacis and dry ammunition stowage bins. The M4A4s were only produced with the 3-piece differential housing.
There is a little bit more information at that link along with pictures.
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answered Sep 18 at 15:26
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If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
If you like identification questions, you may also be interested in these other answers of mine: U.S. biplane Identification, Who sold this book in London in the 1930s?, and on Space Exploration What is this strange, liquid-cooled tube hanging in a wind tunnel?
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:58
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There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php.
Disclaimer: A lot of models were so similar that it'd be a bit of a chore to try to match up the pics above with this page, though.
add a comment
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There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php.
Disclaimer: A lot of models were so similar that it'd be a bit of a chore to try to match up the pics above with this page, though.
add a comment
|
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php.
Disclaimer: A lot of models were so similar that it'd be a bit of a chore to try to match up the pics above with this page, though.
There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php.
Disclaimer: A lot of models were so similar that it'd be a bit of a chore to try to match up the pics above with this page, though.
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The seams appear to all be welded, not cast, so it cannot be an M4A1, an M4 Composite, or an M4A6, according to the chart on this Wikipedia article.
It's got the 75mm gun, not the 76mm or the 105mm gun, which helps eliminate some models like the M4A3E8.
Also note the protrusions at the top of the front hull. The front of any of the "Jumbo" variants is flat, so this cannot be a Jumbo.
I think it might be a minor variant of an M4A3, based on the discussion on this site. I don't find it super convincing, but I think it's the closest we're going to get outside of scheduling a meeting with the folks at Bovington.
1
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
add a comment
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The seams appear to all be welded, not cast, so it cannot be an M4A1, an M4 Composite, or an M4A6, according to the chart on this Wikipedia article.
It's got the 75mm gun, not the 76mm or the 105mm gun, which helps eliminate some models like the M4A3E8.
Also note the protrusions at the top of the front hull. The front of any of the "Jumbo" variants is flat, so this cannot be a Jumbo.
I think it might be a minor variant of an M4A3, based on the discussion on this site. I don't find it super convincing, but I think it's the closest we're going to get outside of scheduling a meeting with the folks at Bovington.
1
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
add a comment
|
The seams appear to all be welded, not cast, so it cannot be an M4A1, an M4 Composite, or an M4A6, according to the chart on this Wikipedia article.
It's got the 75mm gun, not the 76mm or the 105mm gun, which helps eliminate some models like the M4A3E8.
Also note the protrusions at the top of the front hull. The front of any of the "Jumbo" variants is flat, so this cannot be a Jumbo.
I think it might be a minor variant of an M4A3, based on the discussion on this site. I don't find it super convincing, but I think it's the closest we're going to get outside of scheduling a meeting with the folks at Bovington.
The seams appear to all be welded, not cast, so it cannot be an M4A1, an M4 Composite, or an M4A6, according to the chart on this Wikipedia article.
It's got the 75mm gun, not the 76mm or the 105mm gun, which helps eliminate some models like the M4A3E8.
Also note the protrusions at the top of the front hull. The front of any of the "Jumbo" variants is flat, so this cannot be a Jumbo.
I think it might be a minor variant of an M4A3, based on the discussion on this site. I don't find it super convincing, but I think it's the closest we're going to get outside of scheduling a meeting with the folks at Bovington.
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Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
add a comment
|
1
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
1
1
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Thanks for sharing the analysis! Notably, all of these details also fit with Buan's identification of it as an M4A4(75).
– called2voyage
Sep 19 at 17:43
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
Certainly looks like a M4A4 - the same hull as a Firefly, which matches up with the photos I have taken of a couple.
– Baldrickk
Sep 20 at 9:32
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It's a M4 Sherman but the exact sub-type might prove tricky to prove.
– Steve Bird
Sep 18 at 14:41
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Found info on it, but the quotes are not cited so I don't know if the source is good: texasguntalk.com/threads/…
– called2voyage
Sep 18 at 14:48
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The Texas Monthly picture is of a different model Sherman.
– kimchi lover
Sep 18 at 15:33
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There's a (probably) exhaustive list of Shermans (Shermen?) with illustrations at tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 17:07
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Woot! Another reputation point, come to papa! :)
– Amorphous Blob
Sep 18 at 21:13