On math looking obvious in retrospect [closed]Most 'obvious' open problems in complexity theoryTheorems that are 'obvious' but hard to proveWhat problem in pure mathematics required solution techniques from the widest range of math sub-disciplines?Research semester in math

On math looking obvious in retrospect [closed]


Most 'obvious' open problems in complexity theoryTheorems that are 'obvious' but hard to proveWhat problem in pure mathematics required solution techniques from the widest range of math sub-disciplines?Research semester in math













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Admittedly, a soft-question.



I, being a very young researcher (PhD student) have personally faced the following situation many times: You delve into a problem desperately. No progress for a very long while. All of a sudden, you get the light, and boom: the result is proven. Looking in retrospect, though, the result looks extremely obvious (to the extent you sometimes are ashamed of not getting till then, or embarrassed sharing/publishing).



I wonder people's personal opinion on this matter (would also like to hear several real-stories on it, related to published papers).



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closed as primarily opinion-based by Matt F., Ben Linowitz, Yemon Choi, j.c., Timothy Chow Aug 13 at 2:27


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    There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
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    – Sam Hopkins
    Aug 11 at 20:49







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    In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
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    – Todd Trimble
    Aug 11 at 21:03






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    Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
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    – Matt F.
    Aug 11 at 21:26







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    One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
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    – Sam Hughes
    Aug 11 at 21:39






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    I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
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    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 11 at 22:19















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Admittedly, a soft-question.



I, being a very young researcher (PhD student) have personally faced the following situation many times: You delve into a problem desperately. No progress for a very long while. All of a sudden, you get the light, and boom: the result is proven. Looking in retrospect, though, the result looks extremely obvious (to the extent you sometimes are ashamed of not getting till then, or embarrassed sharing/publishing).



I wonder people's personal opinion on this matter (would also like to hear several real-stories on it, related to published papers).



Note If moderators believe Mathoverflow is not the right venue for my question, I can consider relocating it.










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closed as primarily opinion-based by Matt F., Ben Linowitz, Yemon Choi, j.c., Timothy Chow Aug 13 at 2:27


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.














  • 5




    $begingroup$
    There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
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    – Sam Hopkins
    Aug 11 at 20:49







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    In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
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    – Todd Trimble
    Aug 11 at 21:03






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    Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
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    – Matt F.
    Aug 11 at 21:26







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    One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
    $endgroup$
    – Sam Hughes
    Aug 11 at 21:39






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    I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
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    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 11 at 22:19













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Admittedly, a soft-question.



I, being a very young researcher (PhD student) have personally faced the following situation many times: You delve into a problem desperately. No progress for a very long while. All of a sudden, you get the light, and boom: the result is proven. Looking in retrospect, though, the result looks extremely obvious (to the extent you sometimes are ashamed of not getting till then, or embarrassed sharing/publishing).



I wonder people's personal opinion on this matter (would also like to hear several real-stories on it, related to published papers).



Note If moderators believe Mathoverflow is not the right venue for my question, I can consider relocating it.










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Admittedly, a soft-question.



I, being a very young researcher (PhD student) have personally faced the following situation many times: You delve into a problem desperately. No progress for a very long while. All of a sudden, you get the light, and boom: the result is proven. Looking in retrospect, though, the result looks extremely obvious (to the extent you sometimes are ashamed of not getting till then, or embarrassed sharing/publishing).



I wonder people's personal opinion on this matter (would also like to hear several real-stories on it, related to published papers).



Note If moderators believe Mathoverflow is not the right venue for my question, I can consider relocating it.







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closed as primarily opinion-based by Matt F., Ben Linowitz, Yemon Choi, j.c., Timothy Chow Aug 13 at 2:27


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.











closed as primarily opinion-based by Matt F., Ben Linowitz, Yemon Choi, j.c., Timothy Chow Aug 13 at 2:27


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.









closed as primarily opinion-based by Matt F., Ben Linowitz, Yemon Choi, j.c., Timothy Chow Aug 13 at 2:27


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.









  • 5




    $begingroup$
    There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
    $endgroup$
    – Sam Hopkins
    Aug 11 at 20:49







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    In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
    $endgroup$
    – Todd Trimble
    Aug 11 at 21:03






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    Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
    $endgroup$
    – Matt F.
    Aug 11 at 21:26







  • 5




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    One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
    $endgroup$
    – Sam Hughes
    Aug 11 at 21:39






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    I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
    $endgroup$
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 11 at 22:19












  • 5




    $begingroup$
    There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
    $endgroup$
    – Sam Hopkins
    Aug 11 at 20:49







  • 9




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    In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
    $endgroup$
    – Todd Trimble
    Aug 11 at 21:03






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    Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
    $endgroup$
    – Matt F.
    Aug 11 at 21:26







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    One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
    $endgroup$
    – Sam Hughes
    Aug 11 at 21:39






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    I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
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    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 11 at 22:19







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There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
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There's an extent to which everything looks obvious in retrospect, especially for material which has been given the "textbook treatment." But if you are just looking for, e.g., two examples from combinatorics of long-standing problems which were recently solved via totally elementary and indeed quite short proofs, the resolution of the capset problem by Croot-Lev-Pach/Ellenberg-Gijswijt and the resolution of the sensitivity conjecture by Huang come to mind. You can find discussion of these on Terry Tao's blog: tinyurl.com/y7efley7 and tinyurl.com/yy4kwp7w
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In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
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In some sense the dream of Grothendieck was to make everything "almost obvious".
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Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
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Some soft questions are ok, but so far there’s no question here, and “what is your personal opinion of this?” is off topic.
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One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
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One useful thing I try to remember is "in mathematics everything is either trivial or impossible"
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I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
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I'm voting to close this question because it seems too open-ended and "discussion-inviting": MO is not really meant as a forum for chatting and evolving conversations
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Interpretation #1: P vs. NP



There are many hard-to-solve problems with easily verified solutions. It can be a real talent to present a proof which is especially easy for humans to verify. In like manner, a good counterexample can be very enlightening. Those who have searched for counterexamples can testify to the fact that these can be very hard to find in the first place.



Do not confuse the ease of verifying a solution with the difficulty of finding that solution.



Interpretation #2: Kolmogorov complexity



There are many proofs in the literature that are gigantic case checks, or extremely complicated analytic arguments handling many cases at once. One of the most famous is the four color theorem. Another is Helfgott's proof of Goldbach's weak conjecture. Some proofs require an extraordinary amount of data, which simply cannot be compressed into a smaller space. However, we don't usually celebrate the fact that a computer actually checked all those cases (even though that really does need to be done). Rather, we delight in the fact that we understand how to turn it into a finite task, doable in a small time-frame. The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work.



Do not confuse length with importance.



Interpretation #3: Obfuscation



Good mathematical writing makes things clearer. One should "eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation". My greatest joy in my research is discovering something new and then explaining it to others, in a way that makes it clear and easy to them as well. In my experience, a large amount of time should go into writing the solution well.



Do not confuse lack of clarity with brilliance.






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    The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
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    In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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    "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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    Aug 12 at 17:30






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    Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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    @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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Certainly I myself tend to see anything that I understand well as "being nearly obvious" (although I know better).



Also, I and many other people I know have realized upon completion of a PhD that their advisor "probably could have done this in an afternoon, if they cared...". Right. Much of a PhD (in math) in my opinion is getting-up-to-speed on technique, so that what was impossible before is at least approachable... if only due to acquisition of good technique.



Also, some or many parts of mathematics, perhaps the most useful parts, are very robust, in the sense that once we see the mechanism, we do not have to be particularly careful to have things work out and not fail... So, yes, once one is acquainted with such robust stuff, and has assimilated such things into one's "intuition", lots of things are "easy".



A few things seem to remain permanently delicate... and I myself have a hard time understanding them.



A point that seems often overlooked is that, in my perception of myself and many others, the course of a (successful, substantial) research project involves as much changing oneself as anything else. So one's perception has changed, so that what was unobvious is now obvious. The thing itself probably did not change much...?



Yes, this can be misunderstood as one's own unforgiveable slowness to understand (since after-the-fact it seems so easy), but I think that is a far too naive appraisal of the mechanism.






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    One issue to keep in mind is that things look obvious after you've been thinking about that thing for weeks, or months, or possibly years. Then when you have a proof, you think about how to present it, and how to generalize the idea in question. After all of that, the basic direction will seem more obvious to you than to someone who hasn't thought about it that much, since you've gone down the same mental paths many times. This also has a consequence in teaching; if there's disconnect for research, it may be even stronger when one is dealing with things one considers basic or obvious because you've used them since you were young.






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      Interpretation #1: P vs. NP



      There are many hard-to-solve problems with easily verified solutions. It can be a real talent to present a proof which is especially easy for humans to verify. In like manner, a good counterexample can be very enlightening. Those who have searched for counterexamples can testify to the fact that these can be very hard to find in the first place.



      Do not confuse the ease of verifying a solution with the difficulty of finding that solution.



      Interpretation #2: Kolmogorov complexity



      There are many proofs in the literature that are gigantic case checks, or extremely complicated analytic arguments handling many cases at once. One of the most famous is the four color theorem. Another is Helfgott's proof of Goldbach's weak conjecture. Some proofs require an extraordinary amount of data, which simply cannot be compressed into a smaller space. However, we don't usually celebrate the fact that a computer actually checked all those cases (even though that really does need to be done). Rather, we delight in the fact that we understand how to turn it into a finite task, doable in a small time-frame. The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work.



      Do not confuse length with importance.



      Interpretation #3: Obfuscation



      Good mathematical writing makes things clearer. One should "eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation". My greatest joy in my research is discovering something new and then explaining it to others, in a way that makes it clear and easy to them as well. In my experience, a large amount of time should go into writing the solution well.



      Do not confuse lack of clarity with brilliance.






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        The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
        $endgroup$
        – Sam Hopkins
        Aug 11 at 22:07






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        In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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        – M.G.
        Aug 12 at 12:38






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        "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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        – R. van Dobben de Bruyn
        Aug 12 at 17:30






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        Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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        – H A Helfgott
        Nov 9 at 6:33






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        @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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      Interpretation #1: P vs. NP



      There are many hard-to-solve problems with easily verified solutions. It can be a real talent to present a proof which is especially easy for humans to verify. In like manner, a good counterexample can be very enlightening. Those who have searched for counterexamples can testify to the fact that these can be very hard to find in the first place.



      Do not confuse the ease of verifying a solution with the difficulty of finding that solution.



      Interpretation #2: Kolmogorov complexity



      There are many proofs in the literature that are gigantic case checks, or extremely complicated analytic arguments handling many cases at once. One of the most famous is the four color theorem. Another is Helfgott's proof of Goldbach's weak conjecture. Some proofs require an extraordinary amount of data, which simply cannot be compressed into a smaller space. However, we don't usually celebrate the fact that a computer actually checked all those cases (even though that really does need to be done). Rather, we delight in the fact that we understand how to turn it into a finite task, doable in a small time-frame. The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work.



      Do not confuse length with importance.



      Interpretation #3: Obfuscation



      Good mathematical writing makes things clearer. One should "eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation". My greatest joy in my research is discovering something new and then explaining it to others, in a way that makes it clear and easy to them as well. In my experience, a large amount of time should go into writing the solution well.



      Do not confuse lack of clarity with brilliance.






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        The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
        $endgroup$
        – Sam Hopkins
        Aug 11 at 22:07






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        $begingroup$
        In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
        $endgroup$
        – M.G.
        Aug 12 at 12:38






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        "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
        $endgroup$
        – R. van Dobben de Bruyn
        Aug 12 at 17:30






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        Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
        $endgroup$
        – H A Helfgott
        Nov 9 at 6:33






      • 1




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        @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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        – H A Helfgott
        2 days ago














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      Interpretation #1: P vs. NP



      There are many hard-to-solve problems with easily verified solutions. It can be a real talent to present a proof which is especially easy for humans to verify. In like manner, a good counterexample can be very enlightening. Those who have searched for counterexamples can testify to the fact that these can be very hard to find in the first place.



      Do not confuse the ease of verifying a solution with the difficulty of finding that solution.



      Interpretation #2: Kolmogorov complexity



      There are many proofs in the literature that are gigantic case checks, or extremely complicated analytic arguments handling many cases at once. One of the most famous is the four color theorem. Another is Helfgott's proof of Goldbach's weak conjecture. Some proofs require an extraordinary amount of data, which simply cannot be compressed into a smaller space. However, we don't usually celebrate the fact that a computer actually checked all those cases (even though that really does need to be done). Rather, we delight in the fact that we understand how to turn it into a finite task, doable in a small time-frame. The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work.



      Do not confuse length with importance.



      Interpretation #3: Obfuscation



      Good mathematical writing makes things clearer. One should "eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation". My greatest joy in my research is discovering something new and then explaining it to others, in a way that makes it clear and easy to them as well. In my experience, a large amount of time should go into writing the solution well.



      Do not confuse lack of clarity with brilliance.






      share|cite|improve this answer












      $endgroup$



      Interpretation #1: P vs. NP



      There are many hard-to-solve problems with easily verified solutions. It can be a real talent to present a proof which is especially easy for humans to verify. In like manner, a good counterexample can be very enlightening. Those who have searched for counterexamples can testify to the fact that these can be very hard to find in the first place.



      Do not confuse the ease of verifying a solution with the difficulty of finding that solution.



      Interpretation #2: Kolmogorov complexity



      There are many proofs in the literature that are gigantic case checks, or extremely complicated analytic arguments handling many cases at once. One of the most famous is the four color theorem. Another is Helfgott's proof of Goldbach's weak conjecture. Some proofs require an extraordinary amount of data, which simply cannot be compressed into a smaller space. However, we don't usually celebrate the fact that a computer actually checked all those cases (even though that really does need to be done). Rather, we delight in the fact that we understand how to turn it into a finite task, doable in a small time-frame. The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work.



      Do not confuse length with importance.



      Interpretation #3: Obfuscation



      Good mathematical writing makes things clearer. One should "eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation". My greatest joy in my research is discovering something new and then explaining it to others, in a way that makes it clear and easy to them as well. In my experience, a large amount of time should go into writing the solution well.



      Do not confuse lack of clarity with brilliance.







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        The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
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        In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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        "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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        Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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        @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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        The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
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        $begingroup$
        In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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        "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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        Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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        @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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      – Sam Hopkins
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      The "P vs. NP" aspect of "obvious" results is discussed by Scott Aaronson in reference to Huang's recent proof of the sensitivity conjecture (mentioned above) here: scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4229
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      In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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      – M.G.
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      $begingroup$
      In the same spirit as the post I would like to add "Do not confuse difficulty of the exposition with difficulty of the underlying maths". It seems that a substantial chunk of mathematics is made more difficult than necessary because of how its exposition is written and structured, whether this being intentional or not.
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      "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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      Aug 12 at 17:30




      $begingroup$
      "The important parts of the proof are the key ideas, which sometimes are quite small in comparison to the rest of the work." ― this hits the nail on the head. Great answer overall as well!
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      – R. van Dobben de Bruyn
      Aug 12 at 17:30




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      Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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      – H A Helfgott
      Nov 9 at 6:33




      $begingroup$
      Perhaps I shouldn't comment, but the case-check in 3-primes is by far the most trivial part - it's not even the more interesting computational part, by far. Neither is it the part that takes longest to describe; it is one page out of hundreds.
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      – H A Helfgott
      Nov 9 at 6:33




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      @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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      – H A Helfgott
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      $begingroup$
      @PaceNielsen But that's not how the proof works. The point is to come up with a better analytical treatment (which still inherits the basic insights of Vinogradov and Hardy-Littlewood), so that the number of cases to check is small (in comparison with today's computational resources) rather than hyperastronomical (really $textexp(textastronomical)$, if we are talking about Vinogradov's original proof).
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      Certainly I myself tend to see anything that I understand well as "being nearly obvious" (although I know better).



      Also, I and many other people I know have realized upon completion of a PhD that their advisor "probably could have done this in an afternoon, if they cared...". Right. Much of a PhD (in math) in my opinion is getting-up-to-speed on technique, so that what was impossible before is at least approachable... if only due to acquisition of good technique.



      Also, some or many parts of mathematics, perhaps the most useful parts, are very robust, in the sense that once we see the mechanism, we do not have to be particularly careful to have things work out and not fail... So, yes, once one is acquainted with such robust stuff, and has assimilated such things into one's "intuition", lots of things are "easy".



      A few things seem to remain permanently delicate... and I myself have a hard time understanding them.



      A point that seems often overlooked is that, in my perception of myself and many others, the course of a (successful, substantial) research project involves as much changing oneself as anything else. So one's perception has changed, so that what was unobvious is now obvious. The thing itself probably did not change much...?



      Yes, this can be misunderstood as one's own unforgiveable slowness to understand (since after-the-fact it seems so easy), but I think that is a far too naive appraisal of the mechanism.






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        Certainly I myself tend to see anything that I understand well as "being nearly obvious" (although I know better).



        Also, I and many other people I know have realized upon completion of a PhD that their advisor "probably could have done this in an afternoon, if they cared...". Right. Much of a PhD (in math) in my opinion is getting-up-to-speed on technique, so that what was impossible before is at least approachable... if only due to acquisition of good technique.



        Also, some or many parts of mathematics, perhaps the most useful parts, are very robust, in the sense that once we see the mechanism, we do not have to be particularly careful to have things work out and not fail... So, yes, once one is acquainted with such robust stuff, and has assimilated such things into one's "intuition", lots of things are "easy".



        A few things seem to remain permanently delicate... and I myself have a hard time understanding them.



        A point that seems often overlooked is that, in my perception of myself and many others, the course of a (successful, substantial) research project involves as much changing oneself as anything else. So one's perception has changed, so that what was unobvious is now obvious. The thing itself probably did not change much...?



        Yes, this can be misunderstood as one's own unforgiveable slowness to understand (since after-the-fact it seems so easy), but I think that is a far too naive appraisal of the mechanism.






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          Certainly I myself tend to see anything that I understand well as "being nearly obvious" (although I know better).



          Also, I and many other people I know have realized upon completion of a PhD that their advisor "probably could have done this in an afternoon, if they cared...". Right. Much of a PhD (in math) in my opinion is getting-up-to-speed on technique, so that what was impossible before is at least approachable... if only due to acquisition of good technique.



          Also, some or many parts of mathematics, perhaps the most useful parts, are very robust, in the sense that once we see the mechanism, we do not have to be particularly careful to have things work out and not fail... So, yes, once one is acquainted with such robust stuff, and has assimilated such things into one's "intuition", lots of things are "easy".



          A few things seem to remain permanently delicate... and I myself have a hard time understanding them.



          A point that seems often overlooked is that, in my perception of myself and many others, the course of a (successful, substantial) research project involves as much changing oneself as anything else. So one's perception has changed, so that what was unobvious is now obvious. The thing itself probably did not change much...?



          Yes, this can be misunderstood as one's own unforgiveable slowness to understand (since after-the-fact it seems so easy), but I think that is a far too naive appraisal of the mechanism.






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          Certainly I myself tend to see anything that I understand well as "being nearly obvious" (although I know better).



          Also, I and many other people I know have realized upon completion of a PhD that their advisor "probably could have done this in an afternoon, if they cared...". Right. Much of a PhD (in math) in my opinion is getting-up-to-speed on technique, so that what was impossible before is at least approachable... if only due to acquisition of good technique.



          Also, some or many parts of mathematics, perhaps the most useful parts, are very robust, in the sense that once we see the mechanism, we do not have to be particularly careful to have things work out and not fail... So, yes, once one is acquainted with such robust stuff, and has assimilated such things into one's "intuition", lots of things are "easy".



          A few things seem to remain permanently delicate... and I myself have a hard time understanding them.



          A point that seems often overlooked is that, in my perception of myself and many others, the course of a (successful, substantial) research project involves as much changing oneself as anything else. So one's perception has changed, so that what was unobvious is now obvious. The thing itself probably did not change much...?



          Yes, this can be misunderstood as one's own unforgiveable slowness to understand (since after-the-fact it seems so easy), but I think that is a far too naive appraisal of the mechanism.







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              One issue to keep in mind is that things look obvious after you've been thinking about that thing for weeks, or months, or possibly years. Then when you have a proof, you think about how to present it, and how to generalize the idea in question. After all of that, the basic direction will seem more obvious to you than to someone who hasn't thought about it that much, since you've gone down the same mental paths many times. This also has a consequence in teaching; if there's disconnect for research, it may be even stronger when one is dealing with things one considers basic or obvious because you've used them since you were young.






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                One issue to keep in mind is that things look obvious after you've been thinking about that thing for weeks, or months, or possibly years. Then when you have a proof, you think about how to present it, and how to generalize the idea in question. After all of that, the basic direction will seem more obvious to you than to someone who hasn't thought about it that much, since you've gone down the same mental paths many times. This also has a consequence in teaching; if there's disconnect for research, it may be even stronger when one is dealing with things one considers basic or obvious because you've used them since you were young.






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                  One issue to keep in mind is that things look obvious after you've been thinking about that thing for weeks, or months, or possibly years. Then when you have a proof, you think about how to present it, and how to generalize the idea in question. After all of that, the basic direction will seem more obvious to you than to someone who hasn't thought about it that much, since you've gone down the same mental paths many times. This also has a consequence in teaching; if there's disconnect for research, it may be even stronger when one is dealing with things one considers basic or obvious because you've used them since you were young.






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                  One issue to keep in mind is that things look obvious after you've been thinking about that thing for weeks, or months, or possibly years. Then when you have a proof, you think about how to present it, and how to generalize the idea in question. After all of that, the basic direction will seem more obvious to you than to someone who hasn't thought about it that much, since you've gone down the same mental paths many times. This also has a consequence in teaching; if there's disconnect for research, it may be even stronger when one is dealing with things one considers basic or obvious because you've used them since you were young.







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