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What does this double-treble double-bass staff mean?
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Half-way through Rachma.’s Prelude in C#m there is this connected set of double clefs. Can anyone tell me what to do? It was a single set of bass and treble clefs for half the song.
I thought maybe there was a DC Al Coda (sp.?) thing going on where I should perform one set and return to play the second... no idea really. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Half-way through Rachma.’s Prelude in C#m there is this connected set of double clefs. Can anyone tell me what to do? It was a single set of bass and treble clefs for half the song.
I thought maybe there was a DC Al Coda (sp.?) thing going on where I should perform one set and return to play the second... no idea really. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Satirical rendition of that piece: youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w
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Half-way through Rachma.’s Prelude in C#m there is this connected set of double clefs. Can anyone tell me what to do? It was a single set of bass and treble clefs for half the song.
I thought maybe there was a DC Al Coda (sp.?) thing going on where I should perform one set and return to play the second... no idea really. Thanks in advance for the help.
piano notation
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Half-way through Rachma.’s Prelude in C#m there is this connected set of double clefs. Can anyone tell me what to do? It was a single set of bass and treble clefs for half the song.
I thought maybe there was a DC Al Coda (sp.?) thing going on where I should perform one set and return to play the second... no idea really. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Satirical rendition of that piece: youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w
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He was quite a good player - flamboyant, too. Looking carefully, in the double treble lines, he'd play the chord at the beginning of a bar, then the three quaver chords, come down again for the next octave on beat 3, then go back up again, and so on, all with the r.h. The l.h. is similarly played. There's so much going on, it's better to read (and write) separating the 'two parts' in each hand.And 'ffff' means give it all - no chance of playing the wrong note by mistake - everyone's going to notice!
It's virtually SATB, but for one player. Takes a bit of doing, but when it's ready, not only does it sound fantastic, but it looks spectacular.
answered Aug 11 at 7:39
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And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
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All four staffs should be played simultaneously. Both treble staffs are for the right hand, both bass staffs are for the left hand.
It’s split up into double staffs just so that it doesn’t get as crowded as it would be on two staffs. This notation is fairly unusual but not exceptional, as a way to write densely-textured sections more readably.
Reference performance on YouTube, with score (double-staff passage at 2:21)
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Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
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That's a case for the sostenuto pedal (the middle pedal, not the sustain pedal) on a grand piano. You play the chords in the 2nd and 4th system, hold the notes by downing the sostenuto pedal, then play the intermittent notes in the 1st and 3rd system (that are not held since the sostenuto pedal only holds notes that were active when it was being lowered) and release the sostenuto pedal just before playing the next long chord in the 2nd and 4th system.
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You can play it all at once. It's pretty 'bravura', but there's plenty worse in Rachmaninoff. :-) You could just about write it all on two staves if you wanted to.
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He was quite a good player - flamboyant, too. Looking carefully, in the double treble lines, he'd play the chord at the beginning of a bar, then the three quaver chords, come down again for the next octave on beat 3, then go back up again, and so on, all with the r.h. The l.h. is similarly played. There's so much going on, it's better to read (and write) separating the 'two parts' in each hand.And 'ffff' means give it all - no chance of playing the wrong note by mistake - everyone's going to notice!
It's virtually SATB, but for one player. Takes a bit of doing, but when it's ready, not only does it sound fantastic, but it looks spectacular.
answered Aug 11 at 7:39
TimTim
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And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
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He was quite a good player - flamboyant, too. Looking carefully, in the double treble lines, he'd play the chord at the beginning of a bar, then the three quaver chords, come down again for the next octave on beat 3, then go back up again, and so on, all with the r.h. The l.h. is similarly played. There's so much going on, it's better to read (and write) separating the 'two parts' in each hand.And 'ffff' means give it all - no chance of playing the wrong note by mistake - everyone's going to notice!
It's virtually SATB, but for one player. Takes a bit of doing, but when it's ready, not only does it sound fantastic, but it looks spectacular.
answered Aug 11 at 7:39
TimTim
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And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
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He was quite a good player - flamboyant, too. Looking carefully, in the double treble lines, he'd play the chord at the beginning of a bar, then the three quaver chords, come down again for the next octave on beat 3, then go back up again, and so on, all with the r.h. The l.h. is similarly played. There's so much going on, it's better to read (and write) separating the 'two parts' in each hand.And 'ffff' means give it all - no chance of playing the wrong note by mistake - everyone's going to notice!
It's virtually SATB, but for one player. Takes a bit of doing, but when it's ready, not only does it sound fantastic, but it looks spectacular.
answered Aug 11 at 7:39
TimTim
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He was quite a good player - flamboyant, too. Looking carefully, in the double treble lines, he'd play the chord at the beginning of a bar, then the three quaver chords, come down again for the next octave on beat 3, then go back up again, and so on, all with the r.h. The l.h. is similarly played. There's so much going on, it's better to read (and write) separating the 'two parts' in each hand.And 'ffff' means give it all - no chance of playing the wrong note by mistake - everyone's going to notice!
It's virtually SATB, but for one player. Takes a bit of doing, but when it's ready, not only does it sound fantastic, but it looks spectacular.
answered Aug 11 at 7:39
TimTim
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answered Aug 11 at 7:39
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And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
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And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
5
5
And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
And he had enormous hands, which is an advantage when playing his music.
– Your Uncle Bob
Aug 11 at 17:59
add a comment
|
All four staffs should be played simultaneously. Both treble staffs are for the right hand, both bass staffs are for the left hand.
It’s split up into double staffs just so that it doesn’t get as crowded as it would be on two staffs. This notation is fairly unusual but not exceptional, as a way to write densely-textured sections more readably.
Reference performance on YouTube, with score (double-staff passage at 2:21)
answered Aug 11 at 19:47
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Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
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|
All four staffs should be played simultaneously. Both treble staffs are for the right hand, both bass staffs are for the left hand.
It’s split up into double staffs just so that it doesn’t get as crowded as it would be on two staffs. This notation is fairly unusual but not exceptional, as a way to write densely-textured sections more readably.
Reference performance on YouTube, with score (double-staff passage at 2:21)
answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
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1
Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
add a comment
|
All four staffs should be played simultaneously. Both treble staffs are for the right hand, both bass staffs are for the left hand.
It’s split up into double staffs just so that it doesn’t get as crowded as it would be on two staffs. This notation is fairly unusual but not exceptional, as a way to write densely-textured sections more readably.
Reference performance on YouTube, with score (double-staff passage at 2:21)
answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
5533 silver badges7 bronze badges
All four staffs should be played simultaneously. Both treble staffs are for the right hand, both bass staffs are for the left hand.
It’s split up into double staffs just so that it doesn’t get as crowded as it would be on two staffs. This notation is fairly unusual but not exceptional, as a way to write densely-textured sections more readably.
Reference performance on YouTube, with score (double-staff passage at 2:21)
answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
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answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
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answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
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answered Aug 11 at 19:47
PLLPLL
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Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
add a comment
|
1
Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
1
1
Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
Note that starting on the next page (you can even see the marker here), the upper staff on the left hand moves up to a treble clef. Notating this on one staff would be a pain and very confusing to read, requiring the clef to change between every other chord. Hence why it's split up this way.
– Darrel Hoffman
Aug 12 at 17:18
add a comment
|
That's a case for the sostenuto pedal (the middle pedal, not the sustain pedal) on a grand piano. You play the chords in the 2nd and 4th system, hold the notes by downing the sostenuto pedal, then play the intermittent notes in the 1st and 3rd system (that are not held since the sostenuto pedal only holds notes that were active when it was being lowered) and release the sostenuto pedal just before playing the next long chord in the 2nd and 4th system.
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That's a case for the sostenuto pedal (the middle pedal, not the sustain pedal) on a grand piano. You play the chords in the 2nd and 4th system, hold the notes by downing the sostenuto pedal, then play the intermittent notes in the 1st and 3rd system (that are not held since the sostenuto pedal only holds notes that were active when it was being lowered) and release the sostenuto pedal just before playing the next long chord in the 2nd and 4th system.
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That's a case for the sostenuto pedal (the middle pedal, not the sustain pedal) on a grand piano. You play the chords in the 2nd and 4th system, hold the notes by downing the sostenuto pedal, then play the intermittent notes in the 1st and 3rd system (that are not held since the sostenuto pedal only holds notes that were active when it was being lowered) and release the sostenuto pedal just before playing the next long chord in the 2nd and 4th system.
That's a case for the sostenuto pedal (the middle pedal, not the sustain pedal) on a grand piano. You play the chords in the 2nd and 4th system, hold the notes by downing the sostenuto pedal, then play the intermittent notes in the 1st and 3rd system (that are not held since the sostenuto pedal only holds notes that were active when it was being lowered) and release the sostenuto pedal just before playing the next long chord in the 2nd and 4th system.
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You can play it all at once. It's pretty 'bravura', but there's plenty worse in Rachmaninoff. :-) You could just about write it all on two staves if you wanted to.
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You can play it all at once. It's pretty 'bravura', but there's plenty worse in Rachmaninoff. :-) You could just about write it all on two staves if you wanted to.
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You can play it all at once. It's pretty 'bravura', but there's plenty worse in Rachmaninoff. :-) You could just about write it all on two staves if you wanted to.
answered Aug 11 at 11:52
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You can play it all at once. It's pretty 'bravura', but there's plenty worse in Rachmaninoff. :-) You could just about write it all on two staves if you wanted to.
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