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What is the German word or phrase for “village returning to forest”?
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I read once that there is a German word (or perhaps phrase), that developed during the Black Death, for a village that is "returning to the forest". Certainly the devastation suffered at that time by Germany (or more properly the Holy Roman Empire), combined with its low population density and high forest cover, makes the existence of such a word believable.
Can anyone identify this word for me?
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I read once that there is a German word (or perhaps phrase), that developed during the Black Death, for a village that is "returning to the forest". Certainly the devastation suffered at that time by Germany (or more properly the Holy Roman Empire), combined with its low population density and high forest cover, makes the existence of such a word believable.
Can anyone identify this word for me?
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I read once that there is a German word (or perhaps phrase), that developed during the Black Death, for a village that is "returning to the forest". Certainly the devastation suffered at that time by Germany (or more properly the Holy Roman Empire), combined with its low population density and high forest cover, makes the existence of such a word believable.
Can anyone identify this word for me?
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I read once that there is a German word (or perhaps phrase), that developed during the Black Death, for a village that is "returning to the forest". Certainly the devastation suffered at that time by Germany (or more properly the Holy Roman Empire), combined with its low population density and high forest cover, makes the existence of such a word believable.
Can anyone identify this word for me?
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The German Wikipedia article on Black Death (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Tod) mentions the word Wüstung:
Unrentabel gewordene Grenzböden wurden aufgegeben, was in manchen Regionen dazu führte, dass Dörfer verlassen oder nicht mehr wiederbesiedelt wurden (sogenannte Wüstungen), die im Hochmittelalter im Zuge des Landesausbaus abgeholzten Wälder breiteten sich wieder aus.
This mentions that these villages have often be reconquered by the forest.
Wikipedia also has an article on the lemma Wüstung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wüstung) which clarifies that this is not referring specifically to abandoned villages which have been taken back by the forest, but more unspecifically to any abandoned settlement.
I am not sure if there is a more specific notion which also indicates that the village has been reconquered by the forest.
The word Wüstung is derived from the adjective wüst which means empty, desert, waste and also rough, of characters also uncivilized. The German word Wüste (desert) also stems from this adjective.
There is also a verb for becoming a Wüstung which is wüstfallen, which is also used in the Wikipedia article on Wüstung.
Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
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While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,Wüstungis basicallywasteland?
– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
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Die Natur holt sich das Dorf zurück
is certainly a possible translation though it feels as if a more specific, historical term is what you are after :)
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes backYour version would be a good addition to this answer.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you getcopse/woodsfrom?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.
– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
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@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
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There was not one word for this, but at least five, counting sticklish the spelling variations and regionalisms the number is even bigger.
What was the word for …
The historical term applied to 'villages abandoned' for the time of the Black Death is certainly indeed Wüstung. But that is more for ghost-towns and says not much about the type of nature taking hold within them, although in Germany that would certainly be some type of forest eventually.
Wüstung just means strictly that the villagers deserted their homes and only implies the disrepair and wildlife following. The place itself is a Wüstung but the process of "villages returning to forest” is not captured well in that word.
Wüstung –
Wüstung, aufgegebene Siedlung,
–– Lexikon Der Geographie
So now the process is depicted in Wüstungsprozess, Wüstungsbildung.
While still in use now, historically this word also had a few synonyms:
Wüstung, Wüste, Wüsteney, Laide, Lehde
So nennt man insgemein unbearbeitete Felder, die mit Holz angeflogen, oder mit Gebüsche bewachsen, und vorhin gebauet Feld gewesen sind. Wüstungen fallen dem Fisco anheim, und mögen von dem Landes= oder Grund=Herrn eingezogen und andern verliehen werden.
–– Johann Heinrich Zedler: "Grosses Universal-Lexicon aller Wissenschafften und Künste", 1731–1754, Bd 59 (Wor-Wuq), cf entries for Wüste and Wüstung
Regional example for Laide.
Lehde:
wüst liegendes stück land; aus dem niederdeutschen bis ins östl. mitteldeutsch vorgedrungenes wort, niederl. leeghde vallis, locus humilis (Kilian), später leegte und laagte niedrig gelegene fläche, niederung; niederd. legte niederung, eichwald (niederd. sprichw. 89b); neufries. leegte, laagte Epkema wb. 264; nordfr. dat läiged, läiget die niederung Bendsen 8; ob auch ein von Dietrich in Haupts zeitschr. 13, 28 aufgewiesenes ags. læð gut, grund und boden hierher gehört, ist zweifelhaft. das stammwort ist das sp. 58 aufgeführte läg, niederd. leeg und laag niedrig, dessen guttural in der ins hochdeutsche gekommenen form lehde schwand, in einer nebenform leide sich vocalisirte. läden heiszen bei den landgütern, wüst liegende aber doch brauchbare plätze. Frisch 1, 563b; laite, leide oder leede, heiszt ein ungeschlachtes wüstes und ungebaut - liegendes stücke land, welches keinen nutzen trägt. oecon. lex. (1731) 1358; ledden oder lehden heiszen die wüsten triftrasen und anger an hohen orten vor denen hölzern; welche ledden mit kurzen, scharfen magern gras und grind unter einander überzogen sind. Heppe leithund 90; das thal verbreitet sich und alle leden sind wo möglich zum feldbau umgearbeitet. Göthe 43, 147;
Vandaliciens versengte leeden.
Gökingk 3, 113.
ÖDUNG: f. öde liegender, unfruchtbarer und unbebauter landfleck, verwüstete oder verlassene ortschaft; synon. mit wüstung,
Further, the words Ödung and Elende are also synonyms.
Interestingly, the word Wüste has now commonly a much narrower meaning: a tree-less desert being the primarily understood meaning.
What is the word for …
Since the middle ages at least three new single words were coined for closely related concepts or geographically close to village lands:
For the planned 're-forestation': Aufforstung meaning not only management of existing forests but also their re-expansion.
For less economically reforestation but planned restoration of land: Renaturierung. (Example)
And the absolutely unplanned and often seen as undesirable creeping back of large plants into formerly cultivated lands: Verbuschung. Busch being the intermediary phase of bushes before trees take over in Verwaldung. (Example)
And while Wüstung as a terminus technicus is still widely in use, general understanding of the very word may be somewhat limited now and in conversational language it will probably feel a bit archaic.
But all alternatives, including verwaldet and verwildert are in contemporary use.
To take a well known modern example: Chernobyl and Pripyat are each a Wüstung (the places are ghost towns; most would probably now say Geisterstadt) and the places verwalden or verwildern (meaning nature takes back over, and the trees have a glowing future there ;) ). Both places are now 'a bit' verwüstet, meaning mainly in large parts destroyed. It's only 'a bit' as there are from a short distance still many big buildings seen standing. Once these crumble as well, the places will be unequivocally and also in modern parlance be verwüstet.
As a newspaper put it to describe such a Wüstung near Shanghai:
Ein Dorf in China versinkt völlig im Grünen.
Verwunschen, verlassen, verwildert: Ein altes Fischerdorf auf einem Archipel vor Shanghai wird vollkommen von der Natur eingenommen.
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
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The German Wikipedia article on Black Death (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Tod) mentions the word Wüstung:
Unrentabel gewordene Grenzböden wurden aufgegeben, was in manchen Regionen dazu führte, dass Dörfer verlassen oder nicht mehr wiederbesiedelt wurden (sogenannte Wüstungen), die im Hochmittelalter im Zuge des Landesausbaus abgeholzten Wälder breiteten sich wieder aus.
This mentions that these villages have often be reconquered by the forest.
Wikipedia also has an article on the lemma Wüstung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wüstung) which clarifies that this is not referring specifically to abandoned villages which have been taken back by the forest, but more unspecifically to any abandoned settlement.
I am not sure if there is a more specific notion which also indicates that the village has been reconquered by the forest.
The word Wüstung is derived from the adjective wüst which means empty, desert, waste and also rough, of characters also uncivilized. The German word Wüste (desert) also stems from this adjective.
There is also a verb for becoming a Wüstung which is wüstfallen, which is also used in the Wikipedia article on Wüstung.
Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
12
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,Wüstungis basicallywasteland?
– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
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The German Wikipedia article on Black Death (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Tod) mentions the word Wüstung:
Unrentabel gewordene Grenzböden wurden aufgegeben, was in manchen Regionen dazu führte, dass Dörfer verlassen oder nicht mehr wiederbesiedelt wurden (sogenannte Wüstungen), die im Hochmittelalter im Zuge des Landesausbaus abgeholzten Wälder breiteten sich wieder aus.
This mentions that these villages have often be reconquered by the forest.
Wikipedia also has an article on the lemma Wüstung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wüstung) which clarifies that this is not referring specifically to abandoned villages which have been taken back by the forest, but more unspecifically to any abandoned settlement.
I am not sure if there is a more specific notion which also indicates that the village has been reconquered by the forest.
The word Wüstung is derived from the adjective wüst which means empty, desert, waste and also rough, of characters also uncivilized. The German word Wüste (desert) also stems from this adjective.
There is also a verb for becoming a Wüstung which is wüstfallen, which is also used in the Wikipedia article on Wüstung.
Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
12
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,Wüstungis basicallywasteland?
– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
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The German Wikipedia article on Black Death (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Tod) mentions the word Wüstung:
Unrentabel gewordene Grenzböden wurden aufgegeben, was in manchen Regionen dazu führte, dass Dörfer verlassen oder nicht mehr wiederbesiedelt wurden (sogenannte Wüstungen), die im Hochmittelalter im Zuge des Landesausbaus abgeholzten Wälder breiteten sich wieder aus.
This mentions that these villages have often be reconquered by the forest.
Wikipedia also has an article on the lemma Wüstung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wüstung) which clarifies that this is not referring specifically to abandoned villages which have been taken back by the forest, but more unspecifically to any abandoned settlement.
I am not sure if there is a more specific notion which also indicates that the village has been reconquered by the forest.
The word Wüstung is derived from the adjective wüst which means empty, desert, waste and also rough, of characters also uncivilized. The German word Wüste (desert) also stems from this adjective.
There is also a verb for becoming a Wüstung which is wüstfallen, which is also used in the Wikipedia article on Wüstung.
The German Wikipedia article on Black Death (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Tod) mentions the word Wüstung:
Unrentabel gewordene Grenzböden wurden aufgegeben, was in manchen Regionen dazu führte, dass Dörfer verlassen oder nicht mehr wiederbesiedelt wurden (sogenannte Wüstungen), die im Hochmittelalter im Zuge des Landesausbaus abgeholzten Wälder breiteten sich wieder aus.
This mentions that these villages have often be reconquered by the forest.
Wikipedia also has an article on the lemma Wüstung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wüstung) which clarifies that this is not referring specifically to abandoned villages which have been taken back by the forest, but more unspecifically to any abandoned settlement.
I am not sure if there is a more specific notion which also indicates that the village has been reconquered by the forest.
The word Wüstung is derived from the adjective wüst which means empty, desert, waste and also rough, of characters also uncivilized. The German word Wüste (desert) also stems from this adjective.
There is also a verb for becoming a Wüstung which is wüstfallen, which is also used in the Wikipedia article on Wüstung.
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Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
12
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,Wüstungis basicallywasteland?
– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
add a comment
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Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
12
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,Wüstungis basicallywasteland?
– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
Also note the adjective wüst. Es war eine wüste Rauferei. → no limits.
– Janka
Jul 15 at 16:01
12
12
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
While Wüstung is the correct word, 90% of Germans have probably never heard of it, so depending on what you're writing, you might want to explain it. And, please don't try to make a verb/adjective out of it, verwüsten/verwüsted always refers to a deliberate action or natural disaster, not a slow returning to nature.
– Guntram Blohm supports Monica
Jul 16 at 11:15
So,
Wüstung is basically wasteland?– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
So,
Wüstung is basically wasteland?– user28434
Jul 18 at 13:15
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Die Natur holt sich das Dorf zurück
is certainly a possible translation though it feels as if a more specific, historical term is what you are after :)
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes backYour version would be a good addition to this answer.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you getcopse/woodsfrom?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.
– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
1
@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
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Die Natur holt sich das Dorf zurück
is certainly a possible translation though it feels as if a more specific, historical term is what you are after :)
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes backYour version would be a good addition to this answer.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you getcopse/woodsfrom?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.
– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
1
@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
add a comment
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Die Natur holt sich das Dorf zurück
is certainly a possible translation though it feels as if a more specific, historical term is what you are after :)
Die Natur holt sich das Dorf zurück
is certainly a possible translation though it feels as if a more specific, historical term is what you are after :)
edited Jul 15 at 16:20
answered Jul 15 at 15:17
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As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes backYour version would be a good addition to this answer.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you getcopse/woodsfrom?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.
– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
1
@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
add a comment
|
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes backYour version would be a good addition to this answer.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you getcopse/woodsfrom?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.
– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
1
@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?
[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes back Your version would be a good addition to this answer.– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
As a German learner I'm trying to translate this directly. Is this close?
[The] Nature copse/woods itself the village takes back Your version would be a good addition to this answer.– isherwood
Jul 17 at 17:32
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you get
copse/woods from?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
@isherwood: your suggested translation makes no sense in English! (And where do you get
copse/woods from?) I suggest "Nature reclaims the village", or "Nature takes the village back" if you want a more literal translation.– TonyK
Jul 17 at 20:56
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
When I said "direct translation", that's what I meant. Word-for-word.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 20:59
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@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
@isherwood Since German and English word order is different, something has to give. Die Natur Nature; holt holds/takes; sich to itself; das Dorf the village; zurück back. English doesn't actually need the reflexive pronoun, so "Nature takes the village back" is the best you're going to do, really.
– Andrew Leach
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
No, it doesn't have to give. I find it useful to think that way. You're free to not.
– isherwood
Jul 17 at 21:09
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There was not one word for this, but at least five, counting sticklish the spelling variations and regionalisms the number is even bigger.
What was the word for …
The historical term applied to 'villages abandoned' for the time of the Black Death is certainly indeed Wüstung. But that is more for ghost-towns and says not much about the type of nature taking hold within them, although in Germany that would certainly be some type of forest eventually.
Wüstung just means strictly that the villagers deserted their homes and only implies the disrepair and wildlife following. The place itself is a Wüstung but the process of "villages returning to forest” is not captured well in that word.
Wüstung –
Wüstung, aufgegebene Siedlung,
–– Lexikon Der Geographie
So now the process is depicted in Wüstungsprozess, Wüstungsbildung.
While still in use now, historically this word also had a few synonyms:
Wüstung, Wüste, Wüsteney, Laide, Lehde
So nennt man insgemein unbearbeitete Felder, die mit Holz angeflogen, oder mit Gebüsche bewachsen, und vorhin gebauet Feld gewesen sind. Wüstungen fallen dem Fisco anheim, und mögen von dem Landes= oder Grund=Herrn eingezogen und andern verliehen werden.
–– Johann Heinrich Zedler: "Grosses Universal-Lexicon aller Wissenschafften und Künste", 1731–1754, Bd 59 (Wor-Wuq), cf entries for Wüste and Wüstung
Regional example for Laide.
Lehde:
wüst liegendes stück land; aus dem niederdeutschen bis ins östl. mitteldeutsch vorgedrungenes wort, niederl. leeghde vallis, locus humilis (Kilian), später leegte und laagte niedrig gelegene fläche, niederung; niederd. legte niederung, eichwald (niederd. sprichw. 89b); neufries. leegte, laagte Epkema wb. 264; nordfr. dat läiged, läiget die niederung Bendsen 8; ob auch ein von Dietrich in Haupts zeitschr. 13, 28 aufgewiesenes ags. læð gut, grund und boden hierher gehört, ist zweifelhaft. das stammwort ist das sp. 58 aufgeführte läg, niederd. leeg und laag niedrig, dessen guttural in der ins hochdeutsche gekommenen form lehde schwand, in einer nebenform leide sich vocalisirte. läden heiszen bei den landgütern, wüst liegende aber doch brauchbare plätze. Frisch 1, 563b; laite, leide oder leede, heiszt ein ungeschlachtes wüstes und ungebaut - liegendes stücke land, welches keinen nutzen trägt. oecon. lex. (1731) 1358; ledden oder lehden heiszen die wüsten triftrasen und anger an hohen orten vor denen hölzern; welche ledden mit kurzen, scharfen magern gras und grind unter einander überzogen sind. Heppe leithund 90; das thal verbreitet sich und alle leden sind wo möglich zum feldbau umgearbeitet. Göthe 43, 147;
Vandaliciens versengte leeden.
Gökingk 3, 113.
ÖDUNG: f. öde liegender, unfruchtbarer und unbebauter landfleck, verwüstete oder verlassene ortschaft; synon. mit wüstung,
Further, the words Ödung and Elende are also synonyms.
Interestingly, the word Wüste has now commonly a much narrower meaning: a tree-less desert being the primarily understood meaning.
What is the word for …
Since the middle ages at least three new single words were coined for closely related concepts or geographically close to village lands:
For the planned 're-forestation': Aufforstung meaning not only management of existing forests but also their re-expansion.
For less economically reforestation but planned restoration of land: Renaturierung. (Example)
And the absolutely unplanned and often seen as undesirable creeping back of large plants into formerly cultivated lands: Verbuschung. Busch being the intermediary phase of bushes before trees take over in Verwaldung. (Example)
And while Wüstung as a terminus technicus is still widely in use, general understanding of the very word may be somewhat limited now and in conversational language it will probably feel a bit archaic.
But all alternatives, including verwaldet and verwildert are in contemporary use.
To take a well known modern example: Chernobyl and Pripyat are each a Wüstung (the places are ghost towns; most would probably now say Geisterstadt) and the places verwalden or verwildern (meaning nature takes back over, and the trees have a glowing future there ;) ). Both places are now 'a bit' verwüstet, meaning mainly in large parts destroyed. It's only 'a bit' as there are from a short distance still many big buildings seen standing. Once these crumble as well, the places will be unequivocally and also in modern parlance be verwüstet.
As a newspaper put it to describe such a Wüstung near Shanghai:
Ein Dorf in China versinkt völlig im Grünen.
Verwunschen, verlassen, verwildert: Ein altes Fischerdorf auf einem Archipel vor Shanghai wird vollkommen von der Natur eingenommen.
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
2
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
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There was not one word for this, but at least five, counting sticklish the spelling variations and regionalisms the number is even bigger.
What was the word for …
The historical term applied to 'villages abandoned' for the time of the Black Death is certainly indeed Wüstung. But that is more for ghost-towns and says not much about the type of nature taking hold within them, although in Germany that would certainly be some type of forest eventually.
Wüstung just means strictly that the villagers deserted their homes and only implies the disrepair and wildlife following. The place itself is a Wüstung but the process of "villages returning to forest” is not captured well in that word.
Wüstung –
Wüstung, aufgegebene Siedlung,
–– Lexikon Der Geographie
So now the process is depicted in Wüstungsprozess, Wüstungsbildung.
While still in use now, historically this word also had a few synonyms:
Wüstung, Wüste, Wüsteney, Laide, Lehde
So nennt man insgemein unbearbeitete Felder, die mit Holz angeflogen, oder mit Gebüsche bewachsen, und vorhin gebauet Feld gewesen sind. Wüstungen fallen dem Fisco anheim, und mögen von dem Landes= oder Grund=Herrn eingezogen und andern verliehen werden.
–– Johann Heinrich Zedler: "Grosses Universal-Lexicon aller Wissenschafften und Künste", 1731–1754, Bd 59 (Wor-Wuq), cf entries for Wüste and Wüstung
Regional example for Laide.
Lehde:
wüst liegendes stück land; aus dem niederdeutschen bis ins östl. mitteldeutsch vorgedrungenes wort, niederl. leeghde vallis, locus humilis (Kilian), später leegte und laagte niedrig gelegene fläche, niederung; niederd. legte niederung, eichwald (niederd. sprichw. 89b); neufries. leegte, laagte Epkema wb. 264; nordfr. dat läiged, läiget die niederung Bendsen 8; ob auch ein von Dietrich in Haupts zeitschr. 13, 28 aufgewiesenes ags. læð gut, grund und boden hierher gehört, ist zweifelhaft. das stammwort ist das sp. 58 aufgeführte läg, niederd. leeg und laag niedrig, dessen guttural in der ins hochdeutsche gekommenen form lehde schwand, in einer nebenform leide sich vocalisirte. läden heiszen bei den landgütern, wüst liegende aber doch brauchbare plätze. Frisch 1, 563b; laite, leide oder leede, heiszt ein ungeschlachtes wüstes und ungebaut - liegendes stücke land, welches keinen nutzen trägt. oecon. lex. (1731) 1358; ledden oder lehden heiszen die wüsten triftrasen und anger an hohen orten vor denen hölzern; welche ledden mit kurzen, scharfen magern gras und grind unter einander überzogen sind. Heppe leithund 90; das thal verbreitet sich und alle leden sind wo möglich zum feldbau umgearbeitet. Göthe 43, 147;
Vandaliciens versengte leeden.
Gökingk 3, 113.
ÖDUNG: f. öde liegender, unfruchtbarer und unbebauter landfleck, verwüstete oder verlassene ortschaft; synon. mit wüstung,
Further, the words Ödung and Elende are also synonyms.
Interestingly, the word Wüste has now commonly a much narrower meaning: a tree-less desert being the primarily understood meaning.
What is the word for …
Since the middle ages at least three new single words were coined for closely related concepts or geographically close to village lands:
For the planned 're-forestation': Aufforstung meaning not only management of existing forests but also their re-expansion.
For less economically reforestation but planned restoration of land: Renaturierung. (Example)
And the absolutely unplanned and often seen as undesirable creeping back of large plants into formerly cultivated lands: Verbuschung. Busch being the intermediary phase of bushes before trees take over in Verwaldung. (Example)
And while Wüstung as a terminus technicus is still widely in use, general understanding of the very word may be somewhat limited now and in conversational language it will probably feel a bit archaic.
But all alternatives, including verwaldet and verwildert are in contemporary use.
To take a well known modern example: Chernobyl and Pripyat are each a Wüstung (the places are ghost towns; most would probably now say Geisterstadt) and the places verwalden or verwildern (meaning nature takes back over, and the trees have a glowing future there ;) ). Both places are now 'a bit' verwüstet, meaning mainly in large parts destroyed. It's only 'a bit' as there are from a short distance still many big buildings seen standing. Once these crumble as well, the places will be unequivocally and also in modern parlance be verwüstet.
As a newspaper put it to describe such a Wüstung near Shanghai:
Ein Dorf in China versinkt völlig im Grünen.
Verwunschen, verlassen, verwildert: Ein altes Fischerdorf auf einem Archipel vor Shanghai wird vollkommen von der Natur eingenommen.
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
2
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
add a comment
|
There was not one word for this, but at least five, counting sticklish the spelling variations and regionalisms the number is even bigger.
What was the word for …
The historical term applied to 'villages abandoned' for the time of the Black Death is certainly indeed Wüstung. But that is more for ghost-towns and says not much about the type of nature taking hold within them, although in Germany that would certainly be some type of forest eventually.
Wüstung just means strictly that the villagers deserted their homes and only implies the disrepair and wildlife following. The place itself is a Wüstung but the process of "villages returning to forest” is not captured well in that word.
Wüstung –
Wüstung, aufgegebene Siedlung,
–– Lexikon Der Geographie
So now the process is depicted in Wüstungsprozess, Wüstungsbildung.
While still in use now, historically this word also had a few synonyms:
Wüstung, Wüste, Wüsteney, Laide, Lehde
So nennt man insgemein unbearbeitete Felder, die mit Holz angeflogen, oder mit Gebüsche bewachsen, und vorhin gebauet Feld gewesen sind. Wüstungen fallen dem Fisco anheim, und mögen von dem Landes= oder Grund=Herrn eingezogen und andern verliehen werden.
–– Johann Heinrich Zedler: "Grosses Universal-Lexicon aller Wissenschafften und Künste", 1731–1754, Bd 59 (Wor-Wuq), cf entries for Wüste and Wüstung
Regional example for Laide.
Lehde:
wüst liegendes stück land; aus dem niederdeutschen bis ins östl. mitteldeutsch vorgedrungenes wort, niederl. leeghde vallis, locus humilis (Kilian), später leegte und laagte niedrig gelegene fläche, niederung; niederd. legte niederung, eichwald (niederd. sprichw. 89b); neufries. leegte, laagte Epkema wb. 264; nordfr. dat läiged, läiget die niederung Bendsen 8; ob auch ein von Dietrich in Haupts zeitschr. 13, 28 aufgewiesenes ags. læð gut, grund und boden hierher gehört, ist zweifelhaft. das stammwort ist das sp. 58 aufgeführte läg, niederd. leeg und laag niedrig, dessen guttural in der ins hochdeutsche gekommenen form lehde schwand, in einer nebenform leide sich vocalisirte. läden heiszen bei den landgütern, wüst liegende aber doch brauchbare plätze. Frisch 1, 563b; laite, leide oder leede, heiszt ein ungeschlachtes wüstes und ungebaut - liegendes stücke land, welches keinen nutzen trägt. oecon. lex. (1731) 1358; ledden oder lehden heiszen die wüsten triftrasen und anger an hohen orten vor denen hölzern; welche ledden mit kurzen, scharfen magern gras und grind unter einander überzogen sind. Heppe leithund 90; das thal verbreitet sich und alle leden sind wo möglich zum feldbau umgearbeitet. Göthe 43, 147;
Vandaliciens versengte leeden.
Gökingk 3, 113.
ÖDUNG: f. öde liegender, unfruchtbarer und unbebauter landfleck, verwüstete oder verlassene ortschaft; synon. mit wüstung,
Further, the words Ödung and Elende are also synonyms.
Interestingly, the word Wüste has now commonly a much narrower meaning: a tree-less desert being the primarily understood meaning.
What is the word for …
Since the middle ages at least three new single words were coined for closely related concepts or geographically close to village lands:
For the planned 're-forestation': Aufforstung meaning not only management of existing forests but also their re-expansion.
For less economically reforestation but planned restoration of land: Renaturierung. (Example)
And the absolutely unplanned and often seen as undesirable creeping back of large plants into formerly cultivated lands: Verbuschung. Busch being the intermediary phase of bushes before trees take over in Verwaldung. (Example)
And while Wüstung as a terminus technicus is still widely in use, general understanding of the very word may be somewhat limited now and in conversational language it will probably feel a bit archaic.
But all alternatives, including verwaldet and verwildert are in contemporary use.
To take a well known modern example: Chernobyl and Pripyat are each a Wüstung (the places are ghost towns; most would probably now say Geisterstadt) and the places verwalden or verwildern (meaning nature takes back over, and the trees have a glowing future there ;) ). Both places are now 'a bit' verwüstet, meaning mainly in large parts destroyed. It's only 'a bit' as there are from a short distance still many big buildings seen standing. Once these crumble as well, the places will be unequivocally and also in modern parlance be verwüstet.
As a newspaper put it to describe such a Wüstung near Shanghai:
Ein Dorf in China versinkt völlig im Grünen.
Verwunschen, verlassen, verwildert: Ein altes Fischerdorf auf einem Archipel vor Shanghai wird vollkommen von der Natur eingenommen.
There was not one word for this, but at least five, counting sticklish the spelling variations and regionalisms the number is even bigger.
What was the word for …
The historical term applied to 'villages abandoned' for the time of the Black Death is certainly indeed Wüstung. But that is more for ghost-towns and says not much about the type of nature taking hold within them, although in Germany that would certainly be some type of forest eventually.
Wüstung just means strictly that the villagers deserted their homes and only implies the disrepair and wildlife following. The place itself is a Wüstung but the process of "villages returning to forest” is not captured well in that word.
Wüstung –
Wüstung, aufgegebene Siedlung,
–– Lexikon Der Geographie
So now the process is depicted in Wüstungsprozess, Wüstungsbildung.
While still in use now, historically this word also had a few synonyms:
Wüstung, Wüste, Wüsteney, Laide, Lehde
So nennt man insgemein unbearbeitete Felder, die mit Holz angeflogen, oder mit Gebüsche bewachsen, und vorhin gebauet Feld gewesen sind. Wüstungen fallen dem Fisco anheim, und mögen von dem Landes= oder Grund=Herrn eingezogen und andern verliehen werden.
–– Johann Heinrich Zedler: "Grosses Universal-Lexicon aller Wissenschafften und Künste", 1731–1754, Bd 59 (Wor-Wuq), cf entries for Wüste and Wüstung
Regional example for Laide.
Lehde:
wüst liegendes stück land; aus dem niederdeutschen bis ins östl. mitteldeutsch vorgedrungenes wort, niederl. leeghde vallis, locus humilis (Kilian), später leegte und laagte niedrig gelegene fläche, niederung; niederd. legte niederung, eichwald (niederd. sprichw. 89b); neufries. leegte, laagte Epkema wb. 264; nordfr. dat läiged, läiget die niederung Bendsen 8; ob auch ein von Dietrich in Haupts zeitschr. 13, 28 aufgewiesenes ags. læð gut, grund und boden hierher gehört, ist zweifelhaft. das stammwort ist das sp. 58 aufgeführte läg, niederd. leeg und laag niedrig, dessen guttural in der ins hochdeutsche gekommenen form lehde schwand, in einer nebenform leide sich vocalisirte. läden heiszen bei den landgütern, wüst liegende aber doch brauchbare plätze. Frisch 1, 563b; laite, leide oder leede, heiszt ein ungeschlachtes wüstes und ungebaut - liegendes stücke land, welches keinen nutzen trägt. oecon. lex. (1731) 1358; ledden oder lehden heiszen die wüsten triftrasen und anger an hohen orten vor denen hölzern; welche ledden mit kurzen, scharfen magern gras und grind unter einander überzogen sind. Heppe leithund 90; das thal verbreitet sich und alle leden sind wo möglich zum feldbau umgearbeitet. Göthe 43, 147;
Vandaliciens versengte leeden.
Gökingk 3, 113.
ÖDUNG: f. öde liegender, unfruchtbarer und unbebauter landfleck, verwüstete oder verlassene ortschaft; synon. mit wüstung,
Further, the words Ödung and Elende are also synonyms.
Interestingly, the word Wüste has now commonly a much narrower meaning: a tree-less desert being the primarily understood meaning.
What is the word for …
Since the middle ages at least three new single words were coined for closely related concepts or geographically close to village lands:
For the planned 're-forestation': Aufforstung meaning not only management of existing forests but also their re-expansion.
For less economically reforestation but planned restoration of land: Renaturierung. (Example)
And the absolutely unplanned and often seen as undesirable creeping back of large plants into formerly cultivated lands: Verbuschung. Busch being the intermediary phase of bushes before trees take over in Verwaldung. (Example)
And while Wüstung as a terminus technicus is still widely in use, general understanding of the very word may be somewhat limited now and in conversational language it will probably feel a bit archaic.
But all alternatives, including verwaldet and verwildert are in contemporary use.
To take a well known modern example: Chernobyl and Pripyat are each a Wüstung (the places are ghost towns; most would probably now say Geisterstadt) and the places verwalden or verwildern (meaning nature takes back over, and the trees have a glowing future there ;) ). Both places are now 'a bit' verwüstet, meaning mainly in large parts destroyed. It's only 'a bit' as there are from a short distance still many big buildings seen standing. Once these crumble as well, the places will be unequivocally and also in modern parlance be verwüstet.
As a newspaper put it to describe such a Wüstung near Shanghai:
Ein Dorf in China versinkt völlig im Grünen.
Verwunschen, verlassen, verwildert: Ein altes Fischerdorf auf einem Archipel vor Shanghai wird vollkommen von der Natur eingenommen.
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How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
2
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
add a comment
|
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
2
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
How would you thus describe the situation arising around Chernobyl, where the humans have left but the forest still grows and natures takes back the places the men used to occupy. Would you also call that a "Wüstung"?
– Pierre Arlaud
Jul 16 at 12:57
2
2
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
+1 on verwildert
– steros
Jul 17 at 3:26
add a comment
|
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