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What is the meaning of first flight and introduction in aircraft production?


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Boeing B-52 StratofortressN-250



They are info from wikipedia (here and here). I don't know many about the B-52 Stratofortress, but I'll take another case. The N-250 I remember its first flight which was performed with large scale, watched by Indonesian's former President and many other high rank officers. I remember the date, or at least the exact year. It was 1995.



Then my question is, if 10-Aug-1995 was its first flight which was performed with great fully, then what is the meaning of introduction (15 June 1997 in this case)?. If it was widely open to public when performing first flight, then why does an airplane needed to be introduced?










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    Boeing B-52 StratofortressN-250



    They are info from wikipedia (here and here). I don't know many about the B-52 Stratofortress, but I'll take another case. The N-250 I remember its first flight which was performed with large scale, watched by Indonesian's former President and many other high rank officers. I remember the date, or at least the exact year. It was 1995.



    Then my question is, if 10-Aug-1995 was its first flight which was performed with great fully, then what is the meaning of introduction (15 June 1997 in this case)?. If it was widely open to public when performing first flight, then why does an airplane needed to be introduced?










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      Boeing B-52 StratofortressN-250



      They are info from wikipedia (here and here). I don't know many about the B-52 Stratofortress, but I'll take another case. The N-250 I remember its first flight which was performed with large scale, watched by Indonesian's former President and many other high rank officers. I remember the date, or at least the exact year. It was 1995.



      Then my question is, if 10-Aug-1995 was its first flight which was performed with great fully, then what is the meaning of introduction (15 June 1997 in this case)?. If it was widely open to public when performing first flight, then why does an airplane needed to be introduced?










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      Boeing B-52 StratofortressN-250



      They are info from wikipedia (here and here). I don't know many about the B-52 Stratofortress, but I'll take another case. The N-250 I remember its first flight which was performed with large scale, watched by Indonesian's former President and many other high rank officers. I remember the date, or at least the exact year. It was 1995.



      Then my question is, if 10-Aug-1995 was its first flight which was performed with great fully, then what is the meaning of introduction (15 June 1997 in this case)?. If it was widely open to public when performing first flight, then why does an airplane needed to be introduced?







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          The first flight of a new aircraft type refers to the first time the aircraft is flying during the development and testing phase. If the testing goes smoothly, it might be that no more changes are necessary and the aircraft can be delivered to customers as it is. But if problems show up during these test flights, changes might be necessary before finishing the final design.



          The introduction refers to the first flight by a customer (an airline for commercial airliners or a military unit for military aircraft). This is also referred to as entering service. This could happen in the same year as the first flight (e.g. Boeing 737 Classic series in 1984) or many years later (e.g. Concorde in 1976, 7 years after the first flight in 1969).



          Another term commonly used is the launch of an aircraft type, which refers to the start of the development program.




          The IPTN N-250 you mentioned was never introduced into service. Wikipedia claims the 15 June 1997 as introduction date, but on this day the aircraft was shown at the Paris Air Show:
          Paris Air Show
          (image source: airliners.net, taken by Peter Vercruijsse in Paris - Le Bourget on June 15, 1997)



          The image description says:




          "Gatotkoco", the prototype N-250 returning from a demonstration flight at the Paris Air Show. The N-250 programme is currently (early 2000) on hold due to a lack of finance.




          This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article.






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            I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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            @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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            As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
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            Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight.



          For military aircraft this means the first date that an aircraft is declared operationally ready to perform (part of) the intended tasks.



          This usually occurs some time after the first flight because the test program has to be concluded. Depending on whether it is a modification of an earlier certified model or a totally new aircraft, the time between first flight and introduction into service can range from several months to several years.






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            Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
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            @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
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            … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
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            Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
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          Between those two events are 2 major steps:




          1. Flight testing by the company that builds the aircraft. This is a series of test flights in which the aircraft is tested under all circumstances it will be expected to operate in.



            • The first few flights are just to make sure all the aircraft systems work as expected in flight

            • Then there are flights to explore the performance envelope (flying at different altitudes and speeds), this is done in incremental steps (slowly increasing flight speeds, G-loads etc.).

            • Then there are environmental tests (flying in cold/hot weather)


          2. When the test flights are concluded to satisfaction, and any modifications have been tested as well, it's time for certification: basically, another series of test flights, this time they are monitored by the certification agency. They also dictate which tests have to be done.


          First flight may be a public event, but the aircraft is far from ready for commercial use. First flight is a PR exercise, with the company showing their new project in a working state for the first time.






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            What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
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            The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
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            That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
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            Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
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          The first flight of a new aircraft type refers to the first time the aircraft is flying during the development and testing phase. If the testing goes smoothly, it might be that no more changes are necessary and the aircraft can be delivered to customers as it is. But if problems show up during these test flights, changes might be necessary before finishing the final design.



          The introduction refers to the first flight by a customer (an airline for commercial airliners or a military unit for military aircraft). This is also referred to as entering service. This could happen in the same year as the first flight (e.g. Boeing 737 Classic series in 1984) or many years later (e.g. Concorde in 1976, 7 years after the first flight in 1969).



          Another term commonly used is the launch of an aircraft type, which refers to the start of the development program.




          The IPTN N-250 you mentioned was never introduced into service. Wikipedia claims the 15 June 1997 as introduction date, but on this day the aircraft was shown at the Paris Air Show:
          Paris Air Show
          (image source: airliners.net, taken by Peter Vercruijsse in Paris - Le Bourget on June 15, 1997)



          The image description says:




          "Gatotkoco", the prototype N-250 returning from a demonstration flight at the Paris Air Show. The N-250 programme is currently (early 2000) on hold due to a lack of finance.




          This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article.






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            I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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            @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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            As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
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            Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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          The first flight of a new aircraft type refers to the first time the aircraft is flying during the development and testing phase. If the testing goes smoothly, it might be that no more changes are necessary and the aircraft can be delivered to customers as it is. But if problems show up during these test flights, changes might be necessary before finishing the final design.



          The introduction refers to the first flight by a customer (an airline for commercial airliners or a military unit for military aircraft). This is also referred to as entering service. This could happen in the same year as the first flight (e.g. Boeing 737 Classic series in 1984) or many years later (e.g. Concorde in 1976, 7 years after the first flight in 1969).



          Another term commonly used is the launch of an aircraft type, which refers to the start of the development program.




          The IPTN N-250 you mentioned was never introduced into service. Wikipedia claims the 15 June 1997 as introduction date, but on this day the aircraft was shown at the Paris Air Show:
          Paris Air Show
          (image source: airliners.net, taken by Peter Vercruijsse in Paris - Le Bourget on June 15, 1997)



          The image description says:




          "Gatotkoco", the prototype N-250 returning from a demonstration flight at the Paris Air Show. The N-250 programme is currently (early 2000) on hold due to a lack of finance.




          This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article.






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            I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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            – Manu H
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            @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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            As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
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            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:39










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            Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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          The first flight of a new aircraft type refers to the first time the aircraft is flying during the development and testing phase. If the testing goes smoothly, it might be that no more changes are necessary and the aircraft can be delivered to customers as it is. But if problems show up during these test flights, changes might be necessary before finishing the final design.



          The introduction refers to the first flight by a customer (an airline for commercial airliners or a military unit for military aircraft). This is also referred to as entering service. This could happen in the same year as the first flight (e.g. Boeing 737 Classic series in 1984) or many years later (e.g. Concorde in 1976, 7 years after the first flight in 1969).



          Another term commonly used is the launch of an aircraft type, which refers to the start of the development program.




          The IPTN N-250 you mentioned was never introduced into service. Wikipedia claims the 15 June 1997 as introduction date, but on this day the aircraft was shown at the Paris Air Show:
          Paris Air Show
          (image source: airliners.net, taken by Peter Vercruijsse in Paris - Le Bourget on June 15, 1997)



          The image description says:




          "Gatotkoco", the prototype N-250 returning from a demonstration flight at the Paris Air Show. The N-250 programme is currently (early 2000) on hold due to a lack of finance.




          This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article.






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          The first flight of a new aircraft type refers to the first time the aircraft is flying during the development and testing phase. If the testing goes smoothly, it might be that no more changes are necessary and the aircraft can be delivered to customers as it is. But if problems show up during these test flights, changes might be necessary before finishing the final design.



          The introduction refers to the first flight by a customer (an airline for commercial airliners or a military unit for military aircraft). This is also referred to as entering service. This could happen in the same year as the first flight (e.g. Boeing 737 Classic series in 1984) or many years later (e.g. Concorde in 1976, 7 years after the first flight in 1969).



          Another term commonly used is the launch of an aircraft type, which refers to the start of the development program.




          The IPTN N-250 you mentioned was never introduced into service. Wikipedia claims the 15 June 1997 as introduction date, but on this day the aircraft was shown at the Paris Air Show:
          Paris Air Show
          (image source: airliners.net, taken by Peter Vercruijsse in Paris - Le Bourget on June 15, 1997)



          The image description says:




          "Gatotkoco", the prototype N-250 returning from a demonstration flight at the Paris Air Show. The N-250 programme is currently (early 2000) on hold due to a lack of finance.




          This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article.







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            I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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            @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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            As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
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            Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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          • $begingroup$
            I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
            $endgroup$
            – Manu H
            Sep 25 at 12:58










          • $begingroup$
            @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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            – Bianfable
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            As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:39










          • $begingroup$
            Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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            – AirCraft Lover
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          $begingroup$
          I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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          – Manu H
          Sep 25 at 12:58




          $begingroup$
          I'm a bit confused with the delivery process. Are you talking of the first ferry flight, the last acceptance flight, or the first commercial flight?
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          – Manu H
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          $begingroup$
          @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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          – Bianfable
          Sep 25 at 13:02




          $begingroup$
          @ManuH these would probably all occur very close to each other, but introduction should generally refer to the first commercial flight. I clarified the answer.
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          As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:39




          $begingroup$
          As I took the case, the N-250 of Indonesia, the status is canceled. Mean, no one was delivered to any customer. So, never be any entering service, however.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:39












          $begingroup$
          Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 14:06




          $begingroup$
          Quote: This does not count as introduction and is therefore a mistake in the Wikipedia article. That make sense. That airplane is just parked now in the manufacturer hangar.
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          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight.



          For military aircraft this means the first date that an aircraft is declared operationally ready to perform (part of) the intended tasks.



          This usually occurs some time after the first flight because the test program has to be concluded. Depending on whether it is a modification of an earlier certified model or a totally new aircraft, the time between first flight and introduction into service can range from several months to several years.






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            Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
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            @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
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            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:27






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            … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
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            Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
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            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 23:44















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          $begingroup$

          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight.



          For military aircraft this means the first date that an aircraft is declared operationally ready to perform (part of) the intended tasks.



          This usually occurs some time after the first flight because the test program has to be concluded. Depending on whether it is a modification of an earlier certified model or a totally new aircraft, the time between first flight and introduction into service can range from several months to several years.






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          • $begingroup$
            Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:43






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
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            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:27






          • 1




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            … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:33










          • $begingroup$
            Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 23:44













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          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight.



          For military aircraft this means the first date that an aircraft is declared operationally ready to perform (part of) the intended tasks.



          This usually occurs some time after the first flight because the test program has to be concluded. Depending on whether it is a modification of an earlier certified model or a totally new aircraft, the time between first flight and introduction into service can range from several months to several years.






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          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight.



          For military aircraft this means the first date that an aircraft is declared operationally ready to perform (part of) the intended tasks.



          This usually occurs some time after the first flight because the test program has to be concluded. Depending on whether it is a modification of an earlier certified model or a totally new aircraft, the time between first flight and introduction into service can range from several months to several years.







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          answered Sep 25 at 12:06









          DeltaLimaDeltaLima

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          • $begingroup$
            Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:43






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
            $endgroup$
            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:27






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:33










          • $begingroup$
            Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 23:44
















          • $begingroup$
            Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:43






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
            $endgroup$
            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:27






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Jörg W Mittag
            Sep 25 at 21:33










          • $begingroup$
            Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 23:44















          $begingroup$
          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:43




          $begingroup$
          Typically, introduction means introduction into service. For passenger aircraft this means the first delivery to the customer and/or first revenue flight, as I showed, the N-250 of Indonesia was never delivered to service was I was canceled. So, how it introduced? You may read the Wikipedia for detail.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:43




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
          $endgroup$
          – Jörg W Mittag
          Sep 25 at 21:27




          $begingroup$
          @AirCraftLover: Well, obviously, the Wikipedia editor who added that information uses a different definition of "introduction" than you do. If you want to know what precise definition they use, and why, you will have to ask them. On April, 25th 2013, an anonymous user added "Introduction: 1996" to the article, on April, 27th, it was changed to "1989", on June, 21st to 1986, …
          $endgroup$
          – Jörg W Mittag
          Sep 25 at 21:27




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
          $endgroup$
          – Jörg W Mittag
          Sep 25 at 21:33




          $begingroup$
          … on July, 12th it was removed again, on April, 11th 2014, it was set to "15 June 1997" by user Yoshiharu10. So, this is the person who can really tell you why they wrote on the Wikipedia article that the introduction was in 1997.
          $endgroup$
          – Jörg W Mittag
          Sep 25 at 21:33












          $begingroup$
          Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 23:44




          $begingroup$
          Thank you Jorg for your detail checked. As explained by Bianfable above, I believe the airplane is never introduced as it was never went even to certification. So, the best is to consider that the info on Wikipedia was invalid. The N250 itself is parks in the manufacturer hangar until today. Mean, never went to service.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 23:44











          2

















          $begingroup$

          Between those two events are 2 major steps:




          1. Flight testing by the company that builds the aircraft. This is a series of test flights in which the aircraft is tested under all circumstances it will be expected to operate in.



            • The first few flights are just to make sure all the aircraft systems work as expected in flight

            • Then there are flights to explore the performance envelope (flying at different altitudes and speeds), this is done in incremental steps (slowly increasing flight speeds, G-loads etc.).

            • Then there are environmental tests (flying in cold/hot weather)


          2. When the test flights are concluded to satisfaction, and any modifications have been tested as well, it's time for certification: basically, another series of test flights, this time they are monitored by the certification agency. They also dictate which tests have to be done.


          First flight may be a public event, but the aircraft is far from ready for commercial use. First flight is a PR exercise, with the company showing their new project in a working state for the first time.






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          • $begingroup$
            What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:47






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Hobbes
            Sep 25 at 14:42










          • $begingroup$
            That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 15:26











          • $begingroup$
            Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
            $endgroup$
            – alephzero
            Sep 25 at 21:58















          2

















          $begingroup$

          Between those two events are 2 major steps:




          1. Flight testing by the company that builds the aircraft. This is a series of test flights in which the aircraft is tested under all circumstances it will be expected to operate in.



            • The first few flights are just to make sure all the aircraft systems work as expected in flight

            • Then there are flights to explore the performance envelope (flying at different altitudes and speeds), this is done in incremental steps (slowly increasing flight speeds, G-loads etc.).

            • Then there are environmental tests (flying in cold/hot weather)


          2. When the test flights are concluded to satisfaction, and any modifications have been tested as well, it's time for certification: basically, another series of test flights, this time they are monitored by the certification agency. They also dictate which tests have to be done.


          First flight may be a public event, but the aircraft is far from ready for commercial use. First flight is a PR exercise, with the company showing their new project in a working state for the first time.






          share|improve this answer










          $endgroup$













          • $begingroup$
            What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:47






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Hobbes
            Sep 25 at 14:42










          • $begingroup$
            That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 15:26











          • $begingroup$
            Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
            $endgroup$
            – alephzero
            Sep 25 at 21:58













          2















          2











          2







          $begingroup$

          Between those two events are 2 major steps:




          1. Flight testing by the company that builds the aircraft. This is a series of test flights in which the aircraft is tested under all circumstances it will be expected to operate in.



            • The first few flights are just to make sure all the aircraft systems work as expected in flight

            • Then there are flights to explore the performance envelope (flying at different altitudes and speeds), this is done in incremental steps (slowly increasing flight speeds, G-loads etc.).

            • Then there are environmental tests (flying in cold/hot weather)


          2. When the test flights are concluded to satisfaction, and any modifications have been tested as well, it's time for certification: basically, another series of test flights, this time they are monitored by the certification agency. They also dictate which tests have to be done.


          First flight may be a public event, but the aircraft is far from ready for commercial use. First flight is a PR exercise, with the company showing their new project in a working state for the first time.






          share|improve this answer










          $endgroup$



          Between those two events are 2 major steps:




          1. Flight testing by the company that builds the aircraft. This is a series of test flights in which the aircraft is tested under all circumstances it will be expected to operate in.



            • The first few flights are just to make sure all the aircraft systems work as expected in flight

            • Then there are flights to explore the performance envelope (flying at different altitudes and speeds), this is done in incremental steps (slowly increasing flight speeds, G-loads etc.).

            • Then there are environmental tests (flying in cold/hot weather)


          2. When the test flights are concluded to satisfaction, and any modifications have been tested as well, it's time for certification: basically, another series of test flights, this time they are monitored by the certification agency. They also dictate which tests have to be done.


          First flight may be a public event, but the aircraft is far from ready for commercial use. First flight is a PR exercise, with the company showing their new project in a working state for the first time.







          share|improve this answer













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          answered Sep 25 at 12:17









          HobbesHobbes

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          • $begingroup$
            What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:47






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Hobbes
            Sep 25 at 14:42










          • $begingroup$
            That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 15:26











          • $begingroup$
            Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
            $endgroup$
            – alephzero
            Sep 25 at 21:58
















          • $begingroup$
            What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 13:47






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
            $endgroup$
            – Hobbes
            Sep 25 at 14:42










          • $begingroup$
            That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
            $endgroup$
            – AirCraft Lover
            Sep 25 at 15:26











          • $begingroup$
            Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
            $endgroup$
            – alephzero
            Sep 25 at 21:58















          $begingroup$
          What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:47




          $begingroup$
          What about introduction? In the case N-250, it was canceled when it ready for certification. Please read Wikipedia here if you are interested.
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 13:47




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
          $endgroup$
          – Hobbes
          Sep 25 at 14:42




          $begingroup$
          The Wikipedia article is incorrect. N-250 was never certified, so it never flew commercially. Maybe the introduction was planned to be in 1997.
          $endgroup$
          – Hobbes
          Sep 25 at 14:42












          $begingroup$
          That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 15:26





          $begingroup$
          That make sense. Now I understand what mean "introduction."
          $endgroup$
          – AirCraft Lover
          Sep 25 at 15:26













          $begingroup$
          Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
          $endgroup$
          – alephzero
          Sep 25 at 21:58




          $begingroup$
          Of course it is rather difficult to "hide" a complete airfield and prevent every member of the public from seeing an aircraft take off and land, but a first flight is not necessarily organized as a public event. Often, it just happens as soon all the pre-flight ground testing has been completed, and the weather is suitable. In fact there is nothing much to see - a first flight is not going to be a quick low level circuit around the airfield. Unless there are serious problems, it is likely to last for several hours, while all the aircraft systems are checked out before the first landing.
          $endgroup$
          – alephzero
          Sep 25 at 21:58


















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