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I wouldn't go into the reasons they left the position. As a reference you can vouch for their skills, or comment on their work ethic and professionalism, or mention their achievements or experience. But the reason they're looking for another position is something the company should be asking the potential employee, not their reference.

You can just let the potential employer know that it would be best to ask your friend about that.

My question is, in lieu of knowing what my friend told them for the
reasons for his departure, what should I say?

You've heard both sides of the story, but you probably don't know the entire truth of the situation. It isn't for you to speculate, presume, assume, or make any statements on the why of it.

As such, you should say that you're not in a position to know or speak about the reasons.

I wonder what is the country where the hiring managers engage in such idle and unproductive gossip as trying to find out why somebody left, was laid off, or was fired from the previous position.

First of all, anyone with an IQ above 75 and more than 5 years of work experience knows for a fact that the one true overriding reason for getting rid of people is that they became expendable in the eyes of the current management. Everything else is just "he said, she said" fluff and BS that people tell themselves to justify the decision made.

Short of the guy killing somebody on the job or burning down the office building, there is no objective "truth" as to why anyone was let go from their previous job; it is all just perceptions.

Second, but not necessary less important: asking somebody for "corporate dirt" on somebody else puts the interrogated person in an very uncomfortable position of having to divulge internal information that companies are typically extremely unwilling to share (employees don't exist in a vacuum, so talking details about somebody's work you may divulge confidential or proprietary information about company's plans, technology, products, etc.).

And asking the applicant directly puts that applicant into a position to violate one of the sacred rules of interviews: you never bad-mouth your former employer.

For example, I was once let go from a company, because the manager was explicitly prejudiced against my ethnicity. Since I was not interested suing that company or creating any kind of drama around that manager in our small professional community, I would obviously have to give a "generic answer" (i.e. lie) to "why were you let go"?

Fortunately, none of my next employers were stupid or inexperienced enough to ask the question you are not supposed to ask for reasons obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Dismiss the question with: "He was a competent employee and a good colleague (if you believe that). Beyond that, I don't know any hard facts, so it would be wrong for me to speculate."

What's wrong with both you, and your friend, telling the truth?

That is:

• your friend should have contacted you beforehand and asked, "Would you be a good reference? What will you say about my departure?"


• to which you respond, "I'll tell the truth: the company terminated your employment for reasons that I don't necessarily agree; however, I personally found my colleague to be a very capable and productive member of our team. I would welcome the opportunity to work with him/her again".


• your friend should then be just as candid with the hiring company, explaining the circumstances as best they can, and what they may have done differently.

It's ludicrous to think that a hiring company should not question an employee's prior employment history. By sticking to the truth, the hiring company knows that they are dealing with an honest and forthright candidate.

If the company doesn't value that, perhaps the candidate should pass on the opportunity. I would.

You may want to check with your HR department what your company policy is with regard to to giving references.

If the policy is We only confirm dates worked, as it is in many places, then you can legitimately say

My company policy is that I am only allowed to confirm the dates they worked, X to Y.

I am sorry that I can't be of any more help.

It's even possible that your company rules may prohibit you from giving references for a former colleague at all, in which case the response could be something along the lines of

I am sorry, but it has been brought to my attention that it is company policy for HR to deal with all reference requests.

This may not be the best outcome for your friend, but it is certainly not the worst, and it will raise fewer red flags than the best alternative, if it is possible.

Being caught in a lie, could be bad for your friend, bad for you, or even bad for both of you!

Ultimately, my suggestion is about trying to find a plausible reason not to answer the question without lying, either in fact or omission.

My question is, in lieu of knowing what my friend told them for the reasons for his departure, what should I say?

I would have said that I gave a reference based on my knowledge of his work and suitability for the role, however I don't think it's appropriate to discuss personal conversations we have had.

You should probably have said that if you were the type of person to divulge a personal conversation, you clearly wouldn't be someone your work colleagues could trust.

If you insist on saying more (which I would not recommend) then I'd limit it to something vague, e.g. You don't know the full story but it was apparently quite a shock to your friend from what you understand. The big problem with going this route is that one answer may be followed by more questions. You're better off making a single statement, citing confidential and personal conversation as a reason not to give any response and sticking to that rigidly.

You could be asked flatly if you trust this person. You need an answer ready and be aware that you could be held accountable for your views. Obviously no one here can tell you what to say to such a question.

I could tell the truth

If you insist on saying anything tell the truth as you know it. Making something up won't help you or them and does a disservice to the prospective employer. In fairness to the employer you either tell them nothing ("confidential conversation") or you tell them exactly what you know. Lies tend to sound like lies. Evasion sounds like evasion. Either let the employer make up their own mind without the bias of a lie or tell them the truth.

Your friend did not seem to ask you to lie, so don't. A lie from you could be different from the truth if your friend said that to his prospective employer and it might look like they lied when they didn't. Stick to what you know.

“I think he felt it was time to move on with his career and explore new opportunities.”

That covers every set of circumstances without saying anything that can be used against him, you, or your employer.

Unless you are saying something that completely exonerates the applicant (e.g. “the company went broke”) then say nothing at all but use a lot of words to cover the fact that you are saying nothing.