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Is cloning illegal in the Star Trek: TNG continuity?
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
3
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
2
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
1
Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
2
Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
star-trek star-trek-tng
edited Sep 30 at 4:26
RonJohn
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asked Sep 29 at 15:09
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
3
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
2
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
1
Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
2
Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
3
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
2
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
1
Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
2
Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10
1
1
There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
3
3
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
2
2
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
1
1
Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
2
2
Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10
Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
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Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
answered Sep 29 at 16:30
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Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
6
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
answered Sep 29 at 16:30
ValorumValorum
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Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
6
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
|
show 2 more comments
Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
answered Sep 29 at 16:30
ValorumValorum
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
answered Sep 29 at 16:30
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answered Sep 29 at 16:30
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Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
6
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
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show 2 more comments
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Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
6
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
3
3
Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
Also the entire crew of Voyager agreed to be sort-of-cloned in VOY: Demon.
– Jane S
Sep 30 at 6:11
6
6
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
Don't forget ENT: Similitude too - which deals with the issue of cloning a replacement organ donor...
– Chronocidal
Sep 30 at 7:29
3
3
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
@KeithMorrison: Thomas Riker doesn't have legal issues. He definitely has issues, given his eventual fate.
– Kevin
Sep 30 at 17:09
2
2
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
Bajor is not a member of the Federation during the events of A Man Alone, so Federation law is irrelevant. Bashir is, and no doubt has his own opinions about cloning quite separate from its legal status (possibly related to his being the product of Federation-illegal genetic manipulation), but he doesn't express an opinion one way or the other, presumably because it wouldn't be professional.
– Ross Thompson
Sep 30 at 19:42
2
2
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
@RossThompson - Given that Bajor is applying for Federation membership, them breaking a Federation-wide law would be a huge deal. It most certainly is relevant to the discussion, not least because of Bashir's total lack of concern
– Valorum
Sep 30 at 19:58
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
Sep 29 at 15:17
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@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE
Sep 29 at 15:21
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@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
Sep 29 at 16:46
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Legal aspects are never touched on, but based on the episode "Up the Long Ladder", there seem to be moral objections to harvesting genetic material for the purpose of (full body) cloning (and performed against the donor's will seems rather like assault in any universe), but there also seems to be a universal "ick" factor about it. Of course the Mariposans didn't seem to have any legal or moral qualms about what they were doing.
– Anthony X
Sep 30 at 1:46
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Excellent point. Remember, though, that artificial hearts were a Big Thing in the 1980s when the story was written.
– RonJohn
Sep 30 at 15:10